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Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go back... - 3/25/2012 10:11:26 AM   
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KUSI News Video: Muslim woman's attacker left note reading 'Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist'

Police in CA looking into possibility of hate crime in death of severely beaten Iraqi woman

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El Cajon, Calif. — A woman from Iraq who was found beaten next to a threatening note saying “go back to your country” has died, and police are investigating the possibility of a hate crime.

Hanif Mohebi, the director of the San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Shaima Alawadi was taken off life support Saturday afternoon.

“The family is in shock at the moment. They’re still trying to deal with what happened,” said Mohebi, who met with family members.

Alawadi, a 32-year-old mother of five, had been hospitalized since her 17-year-old daughter found her unconscious in the dining room of the family’s suburban San Diego house on Wednesday, police Lt. Steve Shakowski said.

“A hate crime is one of the possibilities, and we will be looking at that,” Lt. Mark Coit said. “We don’t want to focus on only one issue and miss something else.”

The daughter, Fatima Al Himidi, told KUSI-TV her mother had been beaten on the head repeatedly with a tire iron, and that the note said “go back to your country, you terrorist.”

Addressing the camera, the tearful daughter asked: “You took my mother away from me. You took my best friend away from me. Why? Why did you do it?”

Police said the family had found a similar note earlier this month but did not report it to authorities.

Al Himidi told KGTV-TV her mother dismissed the first note, found outside the home, as a child’s prank.


Alawadi’s two sons and three daughters range in age from 8 to 17.

A family friend, Sura Alzaidy, told UT San Diego that the attack apparently occurred after the father took the younger children to school. Alzaidy told the newspaper the family is from Iraq, and that Alawadi is a “respectful modest muhajiba,” meaning she wears the traditional hijab, a head scarf.

The family had lived in the house for only a few weeks, after moving from Michigan, Alzaidy said. Alzaidy told the newspaper her father and Alawadi’s husband had previously worked together in San Diego as private contractors for the U.S. Army, serving as cultural advisers to train soldiers who were going to be deployed to the Middle East.

Mohebi said the family had been in the United States since the mid-1990s. He said it was unfortunate that the family didn’t report the initial threatening note.

“Our community does face a lot of discriminatory, hate incidents and don’t always report them,” Mohebi said. “They should take these threats seriously and definitely call local law enforcement.”


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This family got what they deserved.
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All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims
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Kill all muslims
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Muslims are scum and deserve to be blotted out.
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People are bludgeoned to death in Iraq everyday, have been for yrs. What`s so special with this case?
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No one wants muslims or arab shitz in the US. They come of own will & must face whatever comes at them.
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You can play what if all day long. It doesn't change the fact that they used a book to justify multiple murder. If they can justify that with a book, I can't get upset that some of them were killed by a guy who nutted out.

Ooops - sorry.

That last quote was from one of the posters to this Forum on another thread [U.S. Soldier shoots Afghan civilians] and not from the responses to the YouTube video - it just sounds like it might have been.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 10:15:31 AM   
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Was she wearing a hoodie?

It`s possible they attacked him......

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 10:18:09 AM   
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Was she wearing a hoodie?

It`s possible they attacked him......

She wore the traditional hijab, a head scarf.


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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 10:31:05 AM   
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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 11:33:16 AM   
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Obviously a terrorist.
She probably had a chip on her shoulder about having her clit cut off with a fruit knife...

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 12:19:25 PM   
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What an awful thing. I guess we need a law demanding that tire irons be carried openly, huh?

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 1:23:33 PM   
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Obviously a Islamaphobic individual. Which, considering past right wing out bursts concerning Islamic Americans, seems to speak volumes.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 1:28:21 PM   
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What an awful thing. I guess we need a law demanding that tire irons be carried openly, huh?


Or we need to license them, requiring a semi-expensive "Use of Deadly Force" certificate and we need to limit the size and weight and to enact a 14 day waiting period in order to perform a criminal background check.



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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 1:31:32 PM   
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El Cajon, Calif. — A woman from Iraq who was found beaten next to a threatening note saying “go back to your country” has died, and police are investigating the possibility of a hate crime.




The possibility of a hate crime? Res ipsa loquitur. No?



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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 1:32:01 PM   
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Obviously a Islamaphobic individual. .



Or somebody hoping to make it look like that.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 1:37:58 PM   
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and can we get something right, here? A "phobic" is someone who suffers from a "phobia" which is an irrational fear of something.

This can only be one of two things:

Someone who hates Islamic people

Or ... as Rich suggested; someone trying to make it look like it's someone who hates Islamic people.

According to my "buddy" Bill "The Palin" Maher, murdering someone in cold blood takes a certain amount of bravery so, I doubt there was an irrational fear. This killer just hates Middle-Easterners.



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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 2:06:49 PM   
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Obviously a Islamaphobic individual. .



Or somebody hoping to make it look like that.



Right, a non Muslim individual killer who wants to throw the police off his trail by making it look like a hate crime. What was it? Actually an honor killing?

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 2:13:40 PM   
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Obviously a Islamaphobic individual. .



Or somebody hoping to make it look like that.



Right, a non Muslim individual killer who wants to throw the police off his trail by making it look like a hate crime. What was it? Actually an honor killing?


Quite the opposite of an honor killing, would be one avenue I imagine the police are exploring. Murders in a home are normally committed by people living in the same home, no matter what lengths they may go to throw police off the track.

I want more facts.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 3:34:27 PM   
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My vote's on hate crime but here's more on honor killing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

An honor killing, or honour killing[1] (also: honor murder[2][3]) is the homicide of a member of a family or social group by other members, due to the belief of the perpetrators that the victim has brought dishonor upon the family or community. Honor killings are directed mostly against women and girls, but have been extended to men.

The perceived dishonor is normally the result of one of the following behaviors, or the suspicion of such behaviors: dressing in a manner unacceptable to the family or community, wanting to terminate or prevent an arranged marriage or desiring to marry by own choice, especially if to a member of a social group deemed inappropriate, engaging in heterosexual acts outside marriage and engaging in homosexual acts. United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees state that "claims made by LGBT persons often reveal exposure to physical and sexual violence, extended periods of detention, medical abuse, threat of execution and honour killing."[4]

Many women's groups in the Middle East and Southwest Asia suspect the number of victims is about four times greater.[5]

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 3:44:06 PM   
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Re: the comments:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/survey-shows-majority-of-alabamamississippi-gop-voters-think-obama-is-muslim/

According to a recently-released survey, many Alabama and Mississippi Republicans overwhelmingly believe President Obama to be Muslim. Public Policy Polling asked Republicans in the two states, “Do you think Barack Obama is a Christian or a Muslim, or are you not sure?” In Alabama, 45% said “Muslim”, 41% said “unsure.” Only 14% said that the President is Christian.

Mississippi Republicans were even more distrusting of President Obama’s faith, with 52% saying he was Muslim, 36% unsure and only 12% saying Christian.

Since the beginning of his presidency, Obama has been dogged by rumors that he was lying about being a Christian, despite religious scholars calling his faith “explicitly Christian.”

“Obama may be the most explicitly Christian president in American history,” Messiah College professor John Fea wrote in February. “If we analyze his language in the same way that historians examine the religious language of the Founding Fathers or even George W. Bush, we will find that Obama’s piety, use of the Bible, and references to Christian faith and theology put most other American presidents to shame on this front. I think there may be good reasons why some people will not vote for Obama in November, but his commitment to Christianity is not one of them.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/aug/26/why-do-so-many-people-think-obama-muslim/

Brendan Nyhan, a political scientist at the University of Michigan, has found that when people are fiercely partisan, they are less likely to change their minds when presented with factually correct evidence that contradicts their views.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 3:45:10 PM   
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Since you posted that in reply to me, Kalikshama, let me point out that I said it might be exactly the opposite of an honor killing, as in the first suspect for the police to look at would be the daughter, killing her religiously observant mother, then "finding" the body and note.

El Cajon has a good sized muslim immigrant community. The family just moved there. Killing somebody with a tire iron requires some emotional intensity. If the note is an accurate reflection of the crime, I hope the cops catch him right quick, because there is one sick-as-fuck individual running loose in the area.


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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 3:46:16 PM   
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What does the republican idiots in alabama and mississippi have to do with this thread?

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 4:38:47 PM   
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The comments in the YouTube video got me thinking on how successful the "Obama is a Muslim" disinformation has worked in those states and about Islamaphobia in the US.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 4:55:29 PM   
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Since you posted that in reply to me, Kalikshama, let me point out that I said it might be exactly the opposite of an honor killing, as in the first suspect for the police to look at would be the daughter, killing her religiously observant mother, then "finding" the body and note.

El Cajon has a good sized muslim immigrant community. The family just moved there. Killing somebody with a tire iron requires some emotional intensity. If the note is an accurate reflection of the crime, I hope the cops catch him right quick, because there is one sick-as-fuck individual running loose in the area.


I had a hard time typing "mothers murdered by daughters" into Google. Nothing on point was on page 1.

You are correct that "Murders in a home are normally committed by people living in the same home, no matter what lengths they may go to throw police off the track" which makes honor killing/killed by spouse my runner up.

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RE: Killer of Muslim woman in California left note 'Go ... - 3/25/2012 5:04:14 PM   
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http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/03/beating-death-shaima-alawadi-trayvon-martin-race-debate.html

While police say they are investigating the possibility of a hate crime and are calling it an "isolated incident," Alawadi's tragic death has already become part of the increasing furor surrounding the "self-defense" killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, who was carrying nothing more threatening than a bag of Skittles and iced tea, by a still-free (and still gun-carrying) neighborhood watchman.

On Twitter, hashtags #RIPTrayvonMartin and #RIPShaima are showing up together in hundreds of messages like "hood or hijab — this needs to stop." One Million Hijabs for Shaima Alawadi groups are being organized while One Million (and One Hundred) Hoodie marches are planned for Illinois and New York today. Racism and hate, the signs and commenters say, are to blame in both tragic cases.

Indeed, the national conversation has largely boiled down to the two items of clothing that Trayvon and Saima were wearing at the times of their deaths: the hoodie that Geraldo Rivera now infamously said was "as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was," and Shaima's hijab. But Rivera's advice that people simply avoid wearing hoodies (or, by the same logic, hijabs) to avoid being profiled misses a broader point, that people still profile the young-and-black and Muslim as dangerous.

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