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xssve -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 10:15:07 PM)
It's actually a good question: fat guy following you, probably talking shit - at no point have I seen Zimmerman or anybody else claim that Zimmerman identified himself. Happened to me once in high school actually, I parked on the street with the motor running, throwing rocks at my girlfriends window trying to wake her up so I could sneak in and get some action, a car pulled up behind mine, old, beat up rice burner with one headlight out - this was back in the wild cat days and I'd had run in's with roughnecks before, figured it was a couple of swampers looking for a fight. I was alone, so I got back in the car, drove off, they followed me - I drove up towards the police station, they still followed, turned of up the airport, which is a dead end, drove to the end of the parking lot, hit the gas, drifted into a u'ey, and shot back out towards the cop shop - fucking bubble gum machines everywhere, musta been Five cruisers - they were all, "why did you run", so I point at the car that was following me, fucking old beat up Toyota, and said, "I'm supposed to know that's cop?" They reluctantly let me go, but still called my girlfriends dad to check out my story, the assholes - point being, a guy in civvies hassles you, you don't normally assume it's a cop, there's a reason the police are required to identify themselves - and in Florida, a point I mad earlier, there are more fucking different types of cops than I've ever seen anywhere, most of them undercover, NIS, Narco, ATF, every federal agency there is - the only thing for certain is they're never there when you need 'em, and for every cop there's either a rent-a-cop or somebody pretending to be a cop, and random assholes out looking for a fight are an everyday occurrence. I think I saw more fights there in a week than I saw anywhere else in a year, shit some places 5 years - I got into more fights there than I've gotten into the rest of my life combined. Buncha rowdy fucks, that's just the way it is.

tj444 -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 10:34:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve It's actually a good question: fat guy following you, probably talking shit - at no point have I seen Zimmerman or anybody else claim that Zimmerman identified himself. he didnt tell the 911 operator he was NW so why would anyone think he would bother to tell Martin? He didnt according to what Martins girlfriend heard before the cell went dead.. She has been served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury to tell what she heard.. [sm=applause.gif]

DaddySatyr -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 10:39:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Why are the boy`s SRG rights not protected? He had as many rights and as much right to live as Zimmerman did. Yet after chasing the kid down.....the kid`s right to stand HIS ground.........doesn`t count? Can someone explain how that works. Let's assume, at some point, they were both in a position to "stand their ground". I'll grant you that. The answer to your relevent question: "the kid`s right to stand HIS ground.........doesn`t count?" is really kind of simple: They were both within their rights but Trayvon brought Skittles to a gun fight. He rolled the dice and lost. Peace and comfort, Michael

subrob1967 -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 10:49:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I don't think you need a CCW permit in Florida. I do know that if you're carrying a firearm, you're not patroling for Neighborhood Watch. Yes, you do need a permit to carry in Florida. Problem is that (obviously) it doesn't take much to get said permit. Why is that a problem? There's nothing in the second amendment that mentions permits.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 10:57:18 PM)
You know, people really need to get over the whole "the constitution doesn't mention permits" or it doesn't mention this, that or the other thing like any law that further defines the freedoms set for there are irrelevant. It is sheer stupdity. The reason it is valid, even from a constitutional stance is that Zimmerman didn't have a gun in his home that he used to protect his property. The other issue is that Zimmerman had previously been charged with violent crimes. Or do you think that convicted felons should be permitted to carry weapons after they have served their time as well? How about people that are not psychologically balanced? Would you like a paranoid schizophrenic to be able to exercise his/her right to "bear arms?" While the constitution is indeed a set of guidelines for our country, its contents are not the be all, end all statement on people's rights.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:06:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady While the constitution is indeed a set of guidelines for our country, its contents are not the be all, end all statement on people's rights. The constitution was meant to codify the most important rights. Just because rights aren't specifically mentioned, doesn't mean they don't exist. For example: could you please direct me to the part or amendment of the constitution that guarantees a right to privacy? If you read the 2nd, the word "infringed" is used. Requirng a permit is an "infringement" upon a freedom. Also, you make the case that he wasn't keeping the gun in his house; " ... the right to keep and *bear* arms shall not ..." that doesn't signify locking a weapon away in a "gun safe". Peace and comfort, Michael

manunkind -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:17:02 PM)
Hell, explain to me why Zimmerman was calm and safe enough to call 911... told not to engage... and then he decided to take the fight himself. If you have any knowledge of CC and gun safety, you do not initiate a fight like this testosterone addled shit did. You draw if you're threatened. He had ample time to call the cops, talk to a dispatcher... but he just wanted to be some form of retarded ass hero. No one was at risk when he talked to the dispatcher. I look forward to seeing him charged with manslaughter, at the least, if not homicide. He gives people who fucking know what the fuck they are doing a real goddamned bad name. And anyone who defends this shit is an atavistic troglodyte. ED:LafayetteLady- the problem is Stand Your Ground legislation, that allows people who 'feel threatened' to shoot. Fl. has Stand Your Ground. This shitstain is going to use SYG as an excuse for why he ignored the advice of the 911 Dispatchers. I'd bet 100 bucks to 10 donuts that he'll do it. And I'll probably get fatter from the result.

oldersacsub -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:34:50 PM)
What I don't.understand is those of you who comment about how there are too many threads on this subject, yet you JOIN the thread. MOVE ON to another thread and quit your whining already

LafayetteLady -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:46:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady While the constitution is indeed a set of guidelines for our country, its contents are not the be all, end all statement on people's rights. The constitution was meant to codify the most important rights. Just because rights aren't specifically mentioned, doesn't mean they don't exist. For example: could you please direct me to the part or amendment of the constitution that guarantees a right to privacy? If you read the 2nd, the word "infringed" is used. Requirng a permit is an "infringement" upon a freedom. Also, you make the case that he wasn't keeping the gun in his house; " ... the right to keep and *bear* arms shall not ..." that doesn't signify locking a weapon away in a "gun safe". Peace and comfort, Michael The need for a permit does not "infringe" upon one's right to bear arms. You conveniently omitted comment on how if we didn't enhance the "right to bear arms" with the need for a permit, there would be people who had no business owning a weapon with the "right" to holster them on their hip. I support people's right to own a weapon. I don't however, support the notion that everyone who wants to should have that right.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:49:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: manunkind ED:LafayetteLady- the problem is Stand Your Ground legislation, that allows people who 'feel threatened' to shoot. Fl. has Stand Your Ground. This shitstain is going to use SYG as an excuse for why he ignored the advice of the 911 Dispatchers. I'd bet 100 bucks to 10 donuts that he'll do it. And I'll probably get fatter from the result. I've mentioned this multiple times. Florida has one of the most relaxed gun laws in the nation. Add to that this "Stand Your Ground" bullshit, and it really isn't a wonder why so many felons love Florida. Zimmerman using the Stand Your Ground law as a defense is going to cause the courts to seriously examine the logic of this law in practice, rather than the theory that it gives added protection to citizens.

manunkind -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/26/2012 11:51:55 PM)
Actually, I think people need to fucking look into themselves to figure out why this shit doesn't end up in a goddamned arrest. I've not said there's too many threads about this: I've only ranted against the racist shits who try to apologize for this. Too many people are accepting this bullshit fucking LYNCHING, for fucks sake! They're all HE MUSTA ATTACKED HIM, MUSTA RAPED THAT THAT WHITE WOMAN, MUSTA WINKED AT HER. Fuck this racist goddamned motherfucking troglodyte BULLSHIT. We should be better than this. We should be better than what happened to Emmett Till, Matthew Shephard, and too many goddamned fucking minorities who lost their lives because of useless bigots. So, no. I do not think we should MOVE ON. I think that that idea is reprehensible. I think it's a disgusting attempt to distance yourself from mans inhumanity to man. I really do wish "there's a hell of a good universe next door." But there isn't fucking one. And if we don't stand up, I hope we fucking get what we deserve. Ed LafayetteLady Ah, didn't see you mentioned it. I tend to just chime in here and there when I notice things. Apologies for that.

DarqueMirror -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 12:00:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady I've mentioned this multiple times. Florida has one of the most relaxed gun laws in the nation. Add to that this "Stand Your Ground" bullshit, and it really isn't a wonder why so many felons love Florida. Don't you mean make them hate Florida? The stand your ground law would seem to be the bane of felons' existence, since felons can't legally own firearms.

DompairWantsubf -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 12:01:43 AM)
Amen to that brother. Amen to that.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 12:04:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady The need for a permit does not "infringe" upon one's right to bear arms. You conveniently omitted comment on how if we didn't enhance the "right to bear arms" with the need for a permit, there would be people who had no business owning a weapon with the "right" to holster them on their hip. I support people's right to own a weapon. I don't however, support the notion that everyone who wants to should have that right. Infringe (American Heritage Dictionary) quote: ORIGINAL: American Heritage Dictionary in·fringe VERB: in·fringed, in·fring·ing, in·fring·es VERB: tr. 1.To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent. 2.Obsolete To defeat; invalidate. VERB: intr. To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life. As you can see, "infringe" doesn't mean to remove, revoke, or wipe out. If you live on a corner lot and I walk across your grass instead of following the sidewalk, I have infringed on your property. I haven't taken it away. I've "nibbled at it". It has been the tactic of the gun control nuts for some time. If they attempted to take away the right, there might very well be an armed revolt but, if they chip away, slowly but surely, eventually, they'll have their way. A permit is absolutely an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms. I never said it was a completely unwelcome one but it is an infringement. The real issue is the SYG law and is it a good law or not. As has been pointed out, as best we can gather from where we sit, based upon the evidence, *both* of these young men might have felt that their life was in danger, at some point. The issue of Zimmerman being the aggressor and that, somehow negating SYG seems almost foolish to me (I said "almost"). If he walked up to Trayvon and asked what he was doing in the neighborhood (as he claims he did) and he was met by posturing and blustering by a teen, looking to impress his girlfriend on the phone ... what if that posturing had Trayvon throwing the first punch? I live in a neighborhood where most people know each other. I have had occasion as a private citizen to notice someone who "doesn't belong" paying attention to a particular house. I have left my house and gone out and asked them what they were doing. Twice, one of the people introduced themselves as realtors, showing a house (the house had no sign, outside which isn't completely unusual). Once, the person said: "Nothin', man", got in the car and took off. I reported the incident to the local constabulary and son-of-a-gun! The guy had outstanding warrents for B&E. Had that gentleman attacked me (or even made a move that made an attack imminent), I would have pummeled his ass (and, maybe in my lust for life even killed him). We can't be sure what happened but, we can be sure that neither "side's" account is 150% true because there are too many conflicting stories. Peace and comfort, Michael

Arturas -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 1:05:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Even though the facts show otherwise, there's all these people on the internet saying that Trayvon Martin, an innocent kid walking home from the candy store, attacked George Zimmerman as Zimmerman was getting out of his car to check the street sign. Can the people who believe this fairy-tale explain to me WHY Trayvon Martin would attack George Zimmerman at his SUV, and if this attack happened, why did Zimmerman murder Trayvon Martin a distance away in someone's back yard -- not at the vehicle where the attack occurred? I cannot reconcile this claim with the facts on the record. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4071231

joether -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 3:27:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I don't think you need a CCW permit in Florida. I do know that if you're carrying a firearm, you're not patroling for Neighborhood Watch. Yes, you do need a permit to carry in Florida. Problem is that (obviously) it doesn't take much to get said permit. Why is that a problem? There's nothing in the second amendment that mentions permits. There's also nothing in the same amendment that states you can have a personal musket that fires 30 musket balls in 4.3 seconds at ranges greater then 200 yards! Or that said muskets could be reloaded with another 30 musket balls in under 8 seconds. Further, it states that to have said arms one would have to belong to 'A well regulated militia...' whose purpose is to have the '...security of a free state...' be maintained. The 'state' refers directly to the whole of land under the border, not the individual. And what makes up 'A well regulated militia...'? One that has RULES and REGULATIONS. Last I checked, a permit is typically a document that follows from a set of rules and regulations that have been previously voted on by elected officals. However, the founding fathers believe that as time marched on, and us Americans understood more and more about ourselves with this new found freedoms, we would contemplate these laws against the wisdom of the day. In 2012, we Americans have access to much in the way of scientific discoveries that certainly werent around in the 18th century. For example....the human mind. We know that lunatics and other crazy people are not created by the Devil, but due to problems both internally (genetics, drugs, etc) and externally (i.e. enviromental conditions and/or events). Should we allow a severely depressed individual with suicidal intentions easy access to firearms? Would that be responible goverment? As our form of goverment is 'Of the People, By the People, For the People' (except for those jaded and cynical citizens that view it otherwise). Getting back to the topic.... ...Is Mr. Zimmerman mentally and/or emotionally stable to own and operate a firearm? If not, why was he allowed such easy access to said firearm?

farglebargle -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 4:22:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle I don't think you need a CCW permit in Florida. I do know that if you're carrying a firearm, you're not patroling for Neighborhood Watch. Yes, you do need a permit to carry in Florida. Problem is that (obviously) it doesn't take much to get said permit. Why is that a problem? There's nothing in the second amendment that mentions permits. Non-sequitor. You can take your issue to the Supreme Court and waste their time. We're talking about how Zimmerman's IRRESPONSIBLE FIREARM OWNERSHIP caused the death of an innocent kid. So, maybe the NRA isn't going like you tying them to this nutjob.

farglebargle -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 4:25:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady While the constitution is indeed a set of guidelines for our country, its contents are not the be all, end all statement on people's rights. The constitution was meant to codify the most important rights. Just because rights aren't specifically mentioned, doesn't mean they don't exist. For example: could you please direct me to the part or amendment of the constitution that guarantees a right to privacy? If you read the 2nd, the word "infringed" is used. Requirng a permit is an "infringement" upon a freedom. Also, you make the case that he wasn't keeping the gun in his house; " ... the right to keep and *bear* arms shall not ..." that doesn't signify locking a weapon away in a "gun safe". Peace and comfort, Michael And if you're going to bear arms YOU are responsible for everything which happens with them, right?

farglebargle -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 4:27:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: manunkind Actually, I think people need to fucking look into themselves to figure out why this shit doesn't end up in a goddamned arrest. I've not said there's too many threads about this: I've only ranted against the racist shits who try to apologize for this. Too many people are accepting this bullshit fucking LYNCHING, for fucks sake! They're all HE MUSTA ATTACKED HIM, MUSTA RAPED THAT THAT WHITE WOMAN, MUSTA WINKED AT HER. Fuck this racist goddamned motherfucking troglodyte BULLSHIT. We should be better than this. We should be better than what happened to Emmett Till, Matthew Shephard, and too many goddamned fucking minorities who lost their lives because of useless bigots. So, no. I do not think we should MOVE ON. I think that that idea is reprehensible. I think it's a disgusting attempt to distance yourself from mans inhumanity to man. I really do wish "there's a hell of a good universe next door." But there isn't fucking one. And if we don't stand up, I hope we fucking get what we deserve. Ed LafayetteLady Ah, didn't see you mentioned it. I tend to just chime in here and there when I notice things. Apologies for that. Why do you hate our American legal system, where if you kill a man, you have to explain it to a Judge?

farglebargle -> RE: Explain Trayvon Martin's MOTIVE in the fantasy attack on Zimmerman', if that's what happened... (3/27/2012 4:31:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr We can't be sure what happened but, we can be sure that neither "side's" account is 150% true because there are too many conflicting stories. Michael[/color] Trayvon Martin DOESN'T HAVE A SIDE. He's an innocent kid shot dead while walking home from the candy store. End of story. And George Zimmerman's statements are clearly contradicted by the KNOWN FACTS. So we have THE FACTS and we have GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S TESTIMONY. In our system of jurisprudence, it is the JURY who has the responsibility of reconciling the flaws in Zimmerman's testimony with the known facts. And until a Jury does that, Justice will not be served.

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