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SilverBoat -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 9:06:06 PM)

On some of the news outlets today: Reports that Zimmerman (via others stating what he hasn't had the huevos to say in public) claims Martin grabbed for the gun, which is why it fired.

It won't take NCIS labs to determine if that's factual about distance or not, but now Zimmerman has admitted (though not under oath) that he held his pistol on Martin. And that's after pursuing him in a vehicle, and then pursuing further on foot, self-convinced in his self-psycho'd delusions that he was righteously accosting a habitual criminal, and righteously justified in threatening violence and escalating that to deadly force. 

Conclusion: If the wheel of karma turns timely, Zimmerman's acts and lies will earn him at least a sizeable stint at the crossbar hotel.

That wouldn't restore life to Martin, so there really won't be justice, but it might keep one nutcase pseudocon off the streets for a while.

...




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 9:36:10 PM)

FR-

I just love how, despite the increasing detail that comes out, and the evidence of this punk being not quite the angel he's being portrayed as, people still claim he was hunted down and shot.

Evidence schmevidence, hmmm? Guess it only matters that people *want* Zimmerman to be guilty.




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 9:43:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444
He chased the kid when he was told not to,


Nope, try again. He was never told not to. He was told it wasn't necessary. Big difference.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
he caught up to and confronted the kid...


Someone didn't read the OP...

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Zimmerman has his account but Martins girlfriends account differs,


Wow...the account of a girlfriend....who wasn't even there....differs? Say it ain't so.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Did Zimmerman have his gun out when he confronted Martin?


Nope.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 9:43:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


First, the police information supporting the decision not to arrest:
    Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head

    With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law enforcement authorities have revealed to the Orlando Sentinel.

    That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses...

    Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place...

    On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

    Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

    There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

    Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

    Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

    Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

    Zimmerman began yelling for help.

    Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

    Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

    One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
Next, the other shoe drops...
    Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin

    Miami Gardens teenager Trayvon Martin was suspended from school in October in an incident in which he was found in possession of women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that a schools security staffer described as a “burglary tool,” The Miami Herald has learned.

    Trayvon, who claimed that an unnamed friend had given him the jewelry, was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald...

    According to the report, on Oct. 21 staffers monitoring a security camera at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School spotted Trayvon and two other students writing “W.T.F.,” an acronym for “What the f---,” on a hallway locker, according to schools police. The security employee, who knew Trayvon, confronted the teen and looked through his bag for the graffiti marker.

    Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described the screwdriver as a burglary tool.

    Trayvon was asked if the jewelry, which was mostly women’s rings and earrings, belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

    “Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.

    School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation...

    That suspension was followed four months later by another one, in February, in which Trayvon was caught with an empty plastic bag with traces of marijuana in it, the boy’s family’s attorney has confirmed. A schools police report obtained by The Miami Herald specifies two items: a bag with marijuana residue and a “marijuana pipe.”

    The suspension was the third for the teen. On Monday, the family also acknowledged Trayvon had earlier been suspended for tardiness and truancy...

    Sharpton said he warned the family from the start that anything negative about Trayvon would be dragged out in an effort to make him out to be a “junkie and a thief.” He knew that would happen, he said, because it’s occurred in every similar case he has ever been involved in...
Got that right. There's a clue.
    Former NAACP leader accuses Sharpton and Jackson of ‘exploiting’ Trayvon Martin

    Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

    “His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

    The conservative black pastor who was once the chapter president of the Garland, Texas NAACP called Jackson and Sharpton “race hustlers” and said they are “acting as though they are buzzards circling the carcass of this young boy...”

    “Why not be angry about the wholesale murder that goes on in the streets of Newark and Chicago?” he asked. “Why isn’t somebody angry about that six-year-old girl who was killed on her steps last weekend in a cross fire when two gang members in Chicago start shooting at each other? Why is there no outrage about that?”
But Trayvon's mother isn't outraged. Instead she's busy.
    Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks

    The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.

    Sabrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products
You just can't make this shit up.

K.




(Excuse the spelling):

Tawana Brawley.




tj444 -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 9:58:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
He chased the kid when he was told not to,


Nope, try again. He was never told not to. He was told it wasn't necessary. Big difference.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
he caught up to and confronted the kid...


Someone didn't read the OP...

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Zimmerman has his account but Martins girlfriends account differs,


Wow...the account of a girlfriend....who wasn't even there....differs? Say it ain't so.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Did Zimmerman have his gun out when he confronted Martin?


Nope.

being told it wasnt necessary is just another way of saying dont follow the kid.. and of course, NW rules are to not give chase..
the girlfriend was on the cell phone when Zimmerman caught up and confronted the kid, she heard what was said & the scuffle until the phone went dead.. cell records can prove what time she was on the phone to Martin.
You werent there so you dont know if Zimmerman had his gun out or not,.. it is one possibility and I would not put it past a hot head that lacked brains and attacked a cop previously.. seriously, how dumb do you have to be to assault a cop??? its dumb to chase someone if you think they are high on drugs or if you think they are crazy or dangerous, yet Zimmerman did.. its dumb to carry a gun when the NW rules are to be unarmed..




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:07:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
being told it wasnt necessary is just another way of saying dont follow the kid..


No it isn't. That's your interpretation.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
and of course, NW rules are to not give chase..


But nothing about not following.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
the girlfriend was on the cell phone when Zimmerman caught up and confronted the kid, she heard what was said & the scuffle until the phone went dead.. cell records can prove what time she was on the phone to Martin.


But records can't show what she heard vs. what she thinks she heard.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
You werent there so you dont know if Zimmerman had his gun out or not,..


Just like you weren't, so you don't know if he did.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
its dumb to chase someone if you think they are high on drugs or if you think they are crazy or dangerous, yet Zimmerman did.


No, he followed the guy. He didn't chase him.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Its dumb to carry a gun when the NW rules are to be unarmed..


But it's smart if you're a private citizen and just retuning home from running an errand, which he indicated. The stuff about the NW and what he could/couldn't, should/shouldn't do are irrelevant.




tj444 -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:12:12 PM)

Zimmerman was the one running to catch up to an athletic kid walking very fast and at one point running away.. Zimmerman was the one with the gun.. Martin had the same right to defend himself as what Zimmerman is now claiming he had a right to do.. Zimmerman has proven he is a dangerous nutbar.. but i am sure eventually Zimmerman will get his gun back.. I wonder how many people that live in that community feel safer once he does.. [8|]

we disagree.. thats not going to change..




DaddySatyr -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:24:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror
But it's smart if you're a private citizen and just retuning home from running an errand, which he indicated. The stuff about the NW and what he could/couldn't, should/shouldn't do are irrelevant.



What's interesting to me about this little factoid is the same people seem to be arguing 1) He was a "self-appointed" NW "captain" (suggesting that there's no "official" NW) and then, 2) He should follow the rules put forth in some national association of NW groups.

Ya can't have it both ways. Either he was a "rogue" NW type, not following the "rules" or; he was a private citizen who has every right to protect his property and that of his neighbors and therefore, knew nothing about the "rules" and shouldn't be held to that standard.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:26:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
What's interesting to me about this little factoid is the same people seem to be arguing 1) He was a "self-appointed" NW "captain" (suggesting that there's no "official" NW) and then, 2) He should follow the rules put forth in some national association of NW groups.

Ya can't have it both ways. Either he was a "rogue" NW type, not following the "rules" or; he was a private citizen who has every right to protect his property and that of his neighbors and therefore, knew nothing about the "rules" and shouldn't be held to that standard.


Exactly.




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:28:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Zimmerman was the one running to catch up to an athletic kid walking very fast and at one point running away..


Nope.

quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Martin had the same right to defend himself as what Zimmerman is now claiming he had a right to do..


Unless Martin was the attacker, which Zimmerman stated he was (and the lovely evidence is starting to show more and more).




Hippiekinkster -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:36:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


(Excuse the spelling):

Tawana Brawley.

Think you can learn how to trim a quote?

tj, you got it all wrong. Trayvon ran the Sinaloa Cartel, was an international jewel thief, and forced Zimmie to pull the trigger, thereby committing suicide.




tj444 -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 10:59:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror
But it's smart if you're a private citizen and just retuning home from running an errand, which he indicated. The stuff about the NW and what he could/couldn't, should/shouldn't do are irrelevant.


What's interesting to me about this little factoid is the same people seem to be arguing 1) He was a "self-appointed" NW "captain" (suggesting that there's no "official" NW) and then, 2) He should follow the rules put forth in some national association of NW groups.

Ya can't have it both ways. Either he was a "rogue" NW type, not following the "rules" or; he was a private citizen who has every right to protect his property and that of his neighbors and therefore, knew nothing about the "rules" and shouldn't be held to that standard.


If the HOA tells homeowners to "call George" when they see something cuz hes the NW, and he is a nutbar with a gun that kills someone.. that HOA risks being sued.. and I have read that is what homeowners were told to do.. call George.. If real/official NW volunteers have to undergo a background check and proper vetting.. I seriously doubt George would have made the cut and been accepted as a NW.. Do you think he told his neigbors and the HOA that he had previously assaulted a cop? think after finding out that they would have really wanted a guy that could do that as NW? especially one with a gun?




Kirata -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 11:04:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

I guess the OP missed "and the ugly"

You want ugly? Step right up, hipshot.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 9-month old Delric Miller was killed sleeping on a couch by some asshole who sprayed 37 rounds from an automatic weapon through the windows and walls in retaliation for a fight over chairs at a baby shower.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 12-year old Kade'jah Davis was killed by some asshole who pumped a few bullets through her front door over an argument with her mother.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 17-year old Je'Rean Blake was gunned down standing on a corner because some asshole didn't like the way he looked at him.

Answer: Nowhere. What's another dead black kid matter if the perp isn't white. No money or publicity in that.

This is a three-ring racist circus. And some of the clowns are right here.

K.




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 11:13:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
You want ugly? Step right up, hipshot.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 9-month-old Delric Miller was killed sleeping on a couch by some asshole who sprayed 37 rounds from an automatic weapon through the windows and walls in retaliation for a fight over chairs at a baby shower.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 12-year old Kade'jah Davis was killed by some asshole who pumped a few bullets through her front door over an argument with her mother.

Where were Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the New Black Panther Party when 17-year old Je'Rean Blake was gunned down standing on a corner because some asshole didn't like the way he looked at him.

Answer: Nowhere. What's another dead black kid matter if the perp isn't white. No money or publicity in that.

This is a three-ring racist circus. And some of the clowns are right here.


Exactly right. [sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif][sm=applause.gif]




Kirata -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 11:13:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

Unless Martin was the attacker, which Zimmerman stated he was (and the lovely evidence is starting to show more and more).

There's nothing "lovely" about any part of this.

K.




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/26/2012 11:15:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
There's nothing "lovely" about any part of this.


That was sarcasm because of the others' inability to accept the facts/evidence.




tj444 -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/27/2012 12:07:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
There's nothing "lovely" about any part of this.


That was sarcasm because of the others' inability to accept the facts/evidence.

and the facts/evidence will include Martins (still alive) girlfriend who has been served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury to tell what she heard.. [sm=applause.gif]




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/27/2012 12:09:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
and the facts/evidence will include Martins (still alive) girlfriend who has been served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury to tell what she heard..


You mean what she thinks she heard. She can claim she heard Santa Clause, doesn't mean she did.




tj444 -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/27/2012 12:17:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
and the facts/evidence will include Martins (still alive) girlfriend who has been served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury to tell what she heard..


You mean what she thinks she heard. She can claim she heard Santa Clause, doesn't mean she did.

and Zimmerman can say Martin attacked him, doesnt mean Martin did.. Zimmerman has a history of violence and attacking people, he attacked a cop and has domestic violence on his record..




DarqueMirror -> RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money (3/27/2012 12:27:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
and Zimmerman can say Martin attacked him, doesnt mean Martin did.. Zimmerman has a history of violence and attacking people, he attacked a cop and has domestic violence on his record..


First off, that's for the prosecution to disprove.

Second, since the increasing amount of details from *eye* witnesses (as opposed to an *ear* witness over the phone), back up Zimmerman's claim, it seem that the girlfriend (who wasn't there) doesn't know shit.




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