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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 9:45:43 PM   
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Fixed.


Man, that gets old really fast.


So does people repeatedly posting incorrect information, despite being shown facts.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 9:50:27 PM   
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I'll now entertain apologies from any posters who vilified both Zimmerman and, more specifically the Sanford PD, and claimed the police never arrested him. You know... now that we have both the police report stating he was taken into custody as well as the video I saw on the news tonight, shot the night of Feb. 26, that shows Zimmerman getting out of a patrol car in handcuffs at the station.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 10:21:32 PM   
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Darque, you are talking to people who will still insist that Jared Loughner was a Tea Party operative.

That said, playing in the quote boxes is a party foul.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 10:36:39 PM   
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Darque, you are talking to people who will still insist that Jared Loughner was a Tea Party operative.

That said, playing in the quote boxes is a party foul.


Alot of what they've done and said over the past month has been a party foul... especially now that there is proof they were wrong.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 10:50:26 PM   
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There's a problem with the video of Zimmerman at the cop shop ... he doesn't look like he's been in a fight. Maybe the paramedics cleaned him up and the video is crappy quality but, I didn't see any evidence of a struggle.

I've had my nose broken, five times. Two or three of those times were "minimal displacement" breaks; the nose looked, essentially "fine" but I bled every time .

The video's pretty crappy and he's wearing a red jacket but, I didn't see any blood.

I am not saying it wasn't there. I'm saying: I couldn't see it.


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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 11:07:55 PM   
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There's a problem with the video of Zimmerman at the cop shop ... he doesn't look like he's been in a fight. Maybe the paramedics cleaned him up and the video is crappy quality but, I didn't see any evidence of a struggle.

I've had my nose broken, five times. Two or three of those times were "minimal displacement" breaks; the nose looked, essentially "fine" but I bled every time .

The video's pretty crappy and he's wearing a red jacket but, I didn't see any blood.

I am not saying it wasn't there. I'm saying: I couldn't see it.


Well, since he was on scene with paramedics first prior to transport, I'd imagine part of ther job is to clean him up a little.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/28/2012 11:43:11 PM   
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Darque, you are talking to people who will still insist that Jared Loughner was a Tea Party operative.

That said, playing in the quote boxes is a party foul.

you have a specific link to those "people" or bunch of posts of people claiming that rich??? or are you confusing that with sanitys ravings that swore he was a lefty?
or are you bonding with bullshit.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 1:13:31 AM   
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Lucy, I'd be happy to send you a name and some search phrases, over on the other side, but you are supposed to be on vacation, remember?

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 5:42:35 AM   
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Stand Your Ground


Then you should of said so instead of trying to turn this instance into a murder when we are not privy to all the evidence. You and no one else should be accusing Zimmerman of anything until the proper authorities release the information or he is convicted in a court of law…not public opinion.What has happened to presumption of innocence in this country?

When it comes to this law I am on your side 100 percent... it is dangerous... Florida is not the wild west of the 1800's. Those days belong to history.

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Well, we could just repeatedly say that Zimmerman killed Martin.  That is an undisputed fact.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 6:11:24 AM   
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Corrected to be what I actually wrote.


Well, since what you actually wrote was wrong, suit yourself.


You missed the release of the video showing Zimmerman was completely unharmed after he murdered Martin I guess.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 7:17:37 AM   
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There's a problem with the video of Zimmerman at the cop shop ... he doesn't look like he's been in a fight. Maybe the paramedics cleaned him up and the video is crappy quality but, I didn't see any evidence of a struggle.

I've had my nose broken, five times. Two or three of those times were "minimal displacement" breaks; the nose looked, essentially "fine" but I bled every time .

The video's pretty crappy and he's wearing a red jacket but, I didn't see any blood.

I am not saying it wasn't there. I'm saying: I couldn't see it.


Well, since he was on scene with paramedics first prior to transport, I'd imagine part of ther job is to clean him up a little.


Between competition and coaching, I've had broken noses, I've caused them and I've seen a BUNCH of then. One thing they all have in common is they BLEED a lot.

Likewise with scalp cuts. Supposedly he had 'lacerations'. If the guy had a broken nose and scalp lacerations, his shirt would look like he had spent 8 hours in a slaughterhouse.

As for your story about the arrest, he wasn't arrested. He was questioned for 3 hours and the detective in charge recommended that he be arrested but he was overruled by the DA. Is it a coincidence that Zimmerman's Daddy is a retired judge and Zimmerman keeps getting out of trouble?

Please try to keep up. If this had been handled properly in the first place and the DA had stayed out of it, there would be no debate. Zimmerman would have gone to trial, the charges would probably have been pled down to negligent homocide, probation, surrender carry permit (which his past and present actions show he probably shouldn't have anyway) and it wouldn't even have made page 12 of the local paper.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 9:38:24 AM   
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There's a problem with the video of Zimmerman at the cop shop ... he doesn't look like he's been in a fight. Maybe the paramedics cleaned him up and the video is crappy quality but, I didn't see any evidence of a struggle.

I've had my nose broken, five times. Two or three of those times were "minimal displacement" breaks; the nose looked, essentially "fine" but I bled every time .

The video's pretty crappy and he's wearing a red jacket but, I didn't see any blood.

I am not saying it wasn't there. I'm saying: I couldn't see it.


Well, since he was on scene with paramedics first prior to transport, I'd imagine part of ther job is to clean him up a little.


Between competition and coaching, I've had broken noses, I've caused them and I've seen a BUNCH of then. One thing they all have in common is they BLEED a lot.

Likewise with scalp cuts. Supposedly he had 'lacerations'. If the guy had a broken nose and scalp lacerations, his shirt would look like he had spent 8 hours in a slaughterhouse.

As for your story about the arrest, he wasn't arrested. He was questioned for 3 hours and the detective in charge recommended that he be arrested but he was overruled by the DA. Is it a coincidence that Zimmerman's Daddy is a retired judge and Zimmerman keeps getting out of trouble?

Please try to keep up. If this had been handled properly in the first place and the DA had stayed out of it, there would be no debate. Zimmerman would have gone to trial, the charges would probably have been pled down to negligent homocide, probation, surrender carry permit (which his past and present actions show he probably shouldn't have anyway) and it wouldn't even have made page 12 of the local paper.


Actually Hill, he was "taken into custody," also known as "detained," but not completely uncommon to be referred to as "arrested."  What did NOT happen is that he wasn't CHARGED.  The officer thought he should be CHARGED with at least manslaughter.  There is a difference.

And to clarify, even though many ambulance personnel in Florida are paramedics, not simply "first responders," volunteers, or even "EMT's,"  it would not be

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part of ther job is to clean him up a little.


I know that wasn't your comment Hill, I'm just attaching it here.  Ambulance personnel would have removed only enough blood to determine the severity of the injury.  If determining that the injury to the back of his head was minor, they still would have put a gauze bandage on it to keep it clean.

In another post, Owner59 (I think) posted a video of Matt Lauer talking with Zimmerman's attorney.  This attorney points out how at one point in the video you see the officer looking at the back of Zimmerman's head.  He does indeed look.  It would appear that the conversation bringing that on was something to the effect of this:

Zimmerman: He was smashing my head against the pavement, I need medical help.
 
Officer:  Yea, there might be a mark back there, but it looks more like you caught a hangnail in your scalp and scratched yourself.

The other funny thing is that while the attorney is claiming the head injury would have needed stitches if he has sought treatment soon enough, it is not uncommon for such injuries to be re-opened and stitch to minimize scarring. 

The attorney also just drones on and on about how he doesn't want to try this case in the media, but that evidence will come out.  But here's the thing.  He may not want to, but it IS happening.  Having worked with attorneys in Florida, and therefore knowing first hand how attorneys there are far from top of their class usually, there is still the fact that his client is getting death threats.  One would think he would want to do everything in his power to sway public opinion for the safety of his client and post photos of Zimmerman looking like he just got his ass kicked to try to garner sympathy.  I can really only think of two reasons why he wouldn't be doing that; such photos don't exist, or this attorney is really really inept.  Being that this is in Florida, either is possible.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/29/2012 10:43:15 AM   
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Fixed.


Man, that gets old really fast.



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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/30/2012 11:31:53 PM   
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You missed the release of the video showing Zimmerman was completely unharmed after he murdered Martin I guess.


Oh no. I saw that grainy, distant-shot video from 4 *hours* after the incident and after he was seen on location by paramedics. I know you probably felt he should have proudly worn his blood on his face for days, so as to remove doubt. But most folks like to stop bleeding and clean up at some point.

How long after you start bleeding do you clean up? Two days? Three?

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/30/2012 11:40:36 PM   
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Between competition and coaching, I've had broken noses, I've caused them and I've seen a BUNCH of then. One thing they all have in common is they BLEED a lot.

Likewise with scalp cuts. Supposedly he had 'lacerations'. If the guy had a broken nose and scalp lacerations, his shirt would look like he had spent 8 hours in a slaughterhouse.


So your contention, then, is that every single head or nose injury is the exact same? Funny, I had a laceration to my scalp once that bled enough to turn my whole hand red with blood (in addition to the floor in front of me). However, my shirt was clean and the bleeding stopped quickly enough for my friend to decide it was "just a scratch" so I shouldn't worry about it.....until I was taken to the ER for stitches. I still have a nice v-shaped scar from that one.

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As for your story about the arrest, he wasn't arrested. He was questioned for 3 hours and the detective in charge recommended that he be arrested but he was overruled by the DA. Is it a coincidence that Zimmerman's Daddy is a retired judge and Zimmerman keeps getting out of trouble?


Not arrested? What do you call being taken to the station in handcuffs? A vacation?

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Please try to keep up. If this had been handled properly in the first place and the DA had stayed out of it, there would be no debate. Zimmerman would have gone to trial, the charges would probably have been pled down to negligent homocide, probation, surrender carry permit (which his past and present actions show he probably shouldn't have anyway) and it wouldn't even have made page 12 of the local paper.


If the DA stayed out of it? Wow. So a guy does his job, tells the cops they don't have enough evidence and he should have "stayed out of it." Man...the poor guy is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'm glad I never got into the criminal justice field. So many civilians think they can do the job so mch better it's ridiculous.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/31/2012 5:38:03 AM   
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Between competition and coaching, I've had broken noses, I've caused them and I've seen a BUNCH of then. One thing they all have in common is they BLEED a lot.

Likewise with scalp cuts. Supposedly he had 'lacerations'. If the guy had a broken nose and scalp lacerations, his shirt would look like he had spent 8 hours in a slaughterhouse.


So your contention, then, is that every single head or nose injury is the exact same? Funny, I had a laceration to my scalp once that bled enough to turn my whole hand red with blood (in addition to the floor in front of me). However, my shirt was clean and the bleeding stopped quickly enough for my friend to decide it was "just a scratch" so I shouldn't worry about it.....until I was taken to the ER for stitches. I still have a nice v-shaped scar from that one.

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As for your story about the arrest, he wasn't arrested. He was questioned for 3 hours and the detective in charge recommended that he be arrested but he was overruled by the DA. Is it a coincidence that Zimmerman's Daddy is a retired judge and Zimmerman keeps getting out of trouble?


Not arrested? What do you call being taken to the station in handcuffs? A vacation?

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Please try to keep up. If this had been handled properly in the first place and the DA had stayed out of it, there would be no debate. Zimmerman would have gone to trial, the charges would probably have been pled down to negligent homocide, probation, surrender carry permit (which his past and present actions show he probably shouldn't have anyway) and it wouldn't even have made page 12 of the local paper.


If the DA stayed out of it? Wow. So a guy does his job, tells the cops they don't have enough evidence and he should have "stayed out of it." Man...the poor guy is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. I'm glad I never got into the criminal justice field. So many civilians think they can do the job so mch better it's ridiculous.


The scalp is the most heavily vascularized skin on the body. It bleeds like a stuck pig.

As for him being taken to the station in handcuffs, I guess that is SOP. He was NOT arrested even though the detective questioning him wanted to.
DO try to keep up ok, It liooks silly when you don't.

As for the DA staying out of it. How often does the DA call the police station at 11:00 on a sunday night and say "don't charge this guy, I understand you want manslaughter but don't charge him".

How often does the DA call the police station with instructions as to whether or not to arrest an individual that is in questioning?

You conveniently ignored the scenario so I'll put it here in case you couldn't get that far.

Daddy is a retired judge. Junior realizes he has messed up. Junior calls Daddy. Daddy calls the DA at home. The detective in charge of the investigation is told NOT to do his job as he saw fit.

You say the DA told the cop they didnt have enough evidence. That's true. How did she know? Was she on the scene? Did she question the suspect? It's interesting that she did neither but knew more about the case than the detective who was working it.

The officer was doing his job and he got overruled by someone "Who Wasn't There". Are those words familiar?

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 3/31/2012 11:56:37 PM   
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The scalp is the most heavily vascularized skin on the body. It bleeds like a stuck pig.


And yet my scalp injury that required stitches (but had not yet received them) stopped bleeding in only a fraction of the time that Zimmerman had during transport to the station.

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As for him being taken to the station in handcuffs, I guess that is SOP. He was NOT arrested even though the detective questioning him wanted to.
DO try to keep up ok, It liooks silly when you don't.


Probably about as silly as you look for suggesting someone isn't under arrest when they arrive at a police station in handcuffs. You're really reaching, you know that?

Get your facts straight. He wasn't *charged* though the detective wanted to. He *was* arrested. There's a world of difference.

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As for the DA staying out of it. How often does the DA call the police station at 11:00 on a sunday night and say "don't charge this guy, I understand you want manslaughter but don't charge him".


Well, since the DA is te one prosecuting the case, I'd bet a lot. If the case isn't winnable with the current evidence, lots of DAs would hesitate to charge.

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How often does the DA call the police station with instructions as to whether or not to arrest an individual that is in questioning?


Already addressed. He was arrested. He wasn't charged. Do look up the difference between those two terms.

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You conveniently ignored the scenario so I'll put it here in case you couldn't get that far.

Daddy is a retired judge. Junior realizes he has messed up. Junior calls Daddy. Daddy calls the DA at home. The detective in charge of the investigation is told NOT to do his job as he saw fit.

You say the DA told the cop they didnt have enough evidence. That's true. How did she know? Was she on the scene? Did she question the suspect? It's interesting that she did neither but knew more about the case than the detective who was working it.

The officer was doing his job and he got overruled by someone "Who Wasn't There". Are those words familiar?


More conspiracy theory. Here's a more likely scenario:

Cops call DA and relay the evidence gained thus far, DA says "I can't charge him with that. Get me more evidence then we'll proceed."

I know I know....there's no outrage or chance for media attention if you believe tha scenario. No...chance for outcry.

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 4/1/2012 12:05:59 AM   
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The investigator wanted to charge him THAT night......

And some guy somewhere else, in another town, says not to?

You guys need a better story......



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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 4/1/2012 12:07:41 AM   
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The investigator wanted to charge him THAT night......

And some guy somewhere else, in another town, says not to?

You guys need a better story......


And you guys need to get an understanding of how each role functions. It wasn't "some guy in another town," it was "the guy who will go before a judge trying to prove a person's guilt with flimsy evidence."

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RE: The Good, the Bad, and the Money - 4/1/2012 12:31:58 AM   
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