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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 9:19:35 AM   
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The Affordable Care Act is better than nothing, but what we really need is single-payer.

1. Insurance companies are for profit. Unlike a non-profit, they deny claims in order to maximize profits.

2. If everyone's health care was covered through taxes, companies wouldn't have to buy insurance, leading to job growth.

3. Less age discrimination in the workplace: older employees = higher health insurance premiums for companies with health insurance

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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 9:23:45 AM   
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why not have 6 more middle men higher unemployment add children to the tax base like they did women inflate the money another 5000% and send all the jobs anywhere but here?

that would fix everything.

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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 9:40:06 AM   
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Roberts has repeatedly proven himself to be a very cleverly cynical rightwing slimeball, like most of the other so-called 'conservative' dupes, thieves and bullies. That's why the PNAC cabal and their industrial backers weaseled him into Dubya's staff, and from there into 30-40 years on the SCotUS-CJ seat. They figured the ROI from their $500Bn spent on 10 years of moneylaundering 'thinktanks' and PACs as well over $Trn/year of decisions favorable to the wealthy-powerful persons and companies.

The 'mandate' figures to be at least $300Bn/yr windfall for the insurance mobsters. They're guaranteed profits from the taxpayers, if they can't gouge enough from clients. That puts them in some conflict with other financial moguls, who'd prefer to gut all government healthcare regs on general principles, so they can repeat ripoffs like the $10Trn in mortgage derivatives. And the rightwing 'justices' are well aware that backlash against their decision might get leveraged against GOP influence in the elected branches.

I wouldn't predict their decision on any of the matter yet, other than Kennedy probably being the swing vote, but there might be other surprises.

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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 10:13:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
The Affordable Care Act is better than nothing, but what we really need is single-payer.
1. Insurance companies are for profit. Unlike a non-profit, they deny claims in order to maximize profits.
2. If everyone's health care was covered through taxes, companies wouldn't have to buy insurance, leading to job growth.
3. Less age discrimination in the workplace: older employees = higher health insurance premiums for companies with health insurance


Well, yeah, but it's more complicated than that:
- Insurance companies make substantial profits, for every $1.00 in premiums, about $0.30 goes into profits, wages, bonuses, etc.
- About half the profits get laundered into companies that 'finance' the insurance business; banks, mutual funds, holding companies, etc.
- You and the other 99%'rs own, via your 401k, stocks, etc, about 10% or less of those companies, so you get maybe $0.02 rebated.
- The 1%'rs, who own 90%, sit as insurance execs, etc, skim about $0.20 off every $1.00 you (or your employer) pays in premiums.

And on top of that, without the threat of going uninsured or existing conditions, big employers would have less leverage to keep wages down and employees from moving to better paying jobs, etc.

Seriously, though, going to a single-payer system, which outlawed the 'In-Group' larceny cartels and gutted the paper-profit motive for leveraged buyouts and 'mergers' between HMOs and MegaMedical shell companies ... That would cut healthcare costs by about 20%, and almost all of that would be vanished from the wealthy 1%'rs annual (tax-advantaged) income ...

Does anybody really think the 1%'rs are going to just walk away from almost $1Trn in annual profits, without putting up a psychosocial-political battle that'd have Machiavelli marveling at how they'd perverted Alinski's 'rules'?

And the wierdest part of that, still, is how many of the rightwing blowhards, here and elsewhere, despite their wealth and income planting them firmly in the 90% or lower, continue ranting and raving in support of the 1%'s sociopathic profiteering. People are dying for lack of or late healthcare, because of poverty, politics, and profits; that makes the situation murder, really, and those who support it accessories ...

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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 11:25:29 AM   
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The USA is about the only modern, democratic, industrialized national without such a system.

Silverboat: This is part of the reason I would not be upset if the Obamacare was struck down.

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RE: MSNBC: Supreme Court expresses skepticism over cons... - 3/31/2012 11:28:32 AM   
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The only, not "about".

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