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student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/27/2012 11:32:31 PM   
defiantbadgirl


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Status: offline 		Is it right for schools to expel students for using "the f word" on twitter when they're at home?


http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/high-school-expels-student-tweeting-f-word-204216086.html



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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/27/2012 11:38:03 PM   
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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:47:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is absolutely inappropriate for schools to have any say about a child's behavior at home. Unfortunately, for about thirty years, we've allowed the NEA to believe that it's their job to parent as well as to teach the "Three Rs".

Ultimately, this is collectively our fault for not nipping the attitude of "de facto parent" in the bud.

It runs hand-in-hand with the "it takes a village" attitude.



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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:48:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't imagine what makes a school believe they can dictate free speech outside of the school.   In the school, it is acceptable and appropriate to forbid obscene language.  Outside the school, not their business.

As for whether or not it came from the school computer, the school computer should have filters that prohibit going to sites like twitter, just as much as a business blocks sites that are used for "enjoyment."


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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 1:21:59 AM   
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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 4:02:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The piece was written so badly that it's hard to know what happened.

The facts are that:
The kid tweeted a stupid tweet which contained the word "fuck".
The tweet was sent from the school's IP address.
All indications are that the tweet was sent at 2:30 AM.

1. IMO, a school has a right and a responsibility to monitor tweets and emails originating from its IP address. After Columbine, they have to.
2. The school was right to punish the kid for using profanity on its computer (Assuming it WAS the school's computer. My knowledge of Twitter is nonexistent.)
3. The appropriate punishment should have been a two minute chewing by the principal, not expulsion.

That said, if this was the first time the kid did it, the school way overreacted. If it was the fifth, and he had been continually warned never to do it again or face expulsion, entirely different. Like I said, badly written article.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 4:14:26 AM   
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Is it right for schools to expel students for using "the f word" on twitter when they're at home?


No, but I agree with Steven; from the first sentence, it's clearly no piece of real journalism, but an opinion piece. Who knows what actually happened.

But if the school's IP was used, they do at least have a stance, yes.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 5:26:30 AM   
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120340/Student-Austin-Carroll-expelled-Garrett-High-School-F-bomb-Twitter-post--months-shy-graduation.html

...As the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette reported, Carroll had been in trouble with school officials over his Twitter posts before.

In October, he served an in-school suspension over another rant he posted on Twitter using the school-issued laptop.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 7:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep. Per the article, the moron posted his tweet on the school laptop, instead of his own computer as he and his mother are claiming. This being his second offense, I'd recommend a suspension rather than expulsion.

The IP address thing bothers me. DBG's link states that he used the school's IP address. kalikshama's link doesn't mention that.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 8:34:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		If he actually used the school's computer and it's a second offense, I reverse my position.

But, we're dealing with a fairly large "If". It was 0230. Was it done from the boy's phone, that just happened to be using the school's hot spot, at the time? That makes it a different issue. How is a student in the school at 0230?

So, if it was the school's computer, the student knew what they were was wrong. That being the case, I have no problem with the student bearing the full weight of the consequences of their actions.



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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 9:41:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		The IP address vs the time of the tweet (2:30 AM) doesn't make sense unless the student lives at a boarding school which doesn't appear to be the case.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 11:00:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

It is absolutely inappropriate for schools to have any say about a child's behavior at home. Unfortunately, for about thirty years, we've allowed the NEA to believe that it's their job to parent as well as to teach the "Three Rs".

Ultimately, this is collectively our fault for not nipping the attitude of "de facto parent" in the bud.

It runs hand-in-hand with the "it takes a village" attitude.

Actually, it runs hand in hand with the large number of fuckwits who think that raising their children is everybody else's responsibility rather than their own.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 11:29:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm trying to figure out how the tweet was sent from the school's IP addy. Even if the kid used the school laptop, it should have come from his home (or neighbor's LOL) IP addy unless he went close enough to the building at oh dark thirty to get onto the school's signal.

Could someone who is more tech savvy please explain how you can be using an IP addy when you aren't within signal range of their wireless?

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 11:33:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Might they have some sort of slave router they loan out at the same time as the laptop so that it can connect to the internerd using the school's fixed ip?

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 11:36:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure out how the tweet was sent from the school's IP addy. Even if the kid used the school laptop, it should have come from his home (or neighbor's LOL) IP addy unless he went close enough to the building at oh dark thirty to get onto the school's signal.

Could someone who is more tech savvy please explain how you can be using an IP addy when you aren't within signal range of their wireless?


If they live close enough to the school, they might be pirating the school's wifi. I don't twit, or tweet, so I don't know if there's a time delay feature, but that's another way.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:23:30 PM   
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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:30:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		did they tweet while in school? Or after they were home? If it was at school the child should be given detention not for the curse word but for using their cell phone at school since it's usually banned at most schools that I know of. If he did it outside of school then it's something for the parents to deal with, not the school unless this is some kind of private boarding school then the student is fucked.

ETA: Ok so after reading the other responses, if you're using a school loaned laptop, when you take that laptop you sign an agreement usually stating what you can and cannot use that laptop for. If he tweeted on that computer, no matter what time of day, he broke those rules. Seeing as it wasn't his first offense then yes he should be expelled.

As for the IP address, if I remember correctly when my daughter had a school loaned laptop, the ip address usually contains information about the school issued laptop ID and the place from where it's connected.

Either way, yeah the kid is screwed and got what was coming to him. No sympathy from me.



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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:43:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure out how the tweet was sent from the school's IP addy. Even if the kid used the school laptop, it should have come from his home (or neighbor's LOL) IP addy unless he went close enough to the building at oh dark thirty to get onto the school's signal.

If the laptop automatically connects to the school's network via VPN to keep the school's content protected from unwanted outside access, any activity on the laptop would be seen as coming from the school's network.

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:51:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm trying to figure out how the tweet was sent from the school's IP addy. Even if the kid used the school laptop, it should have come from his home (or neighbor's LOL) IP addy unless he went close enough to the building at oh dark thirty to get onto the school's signal.

If the laptop automatically connects to the school's network via VPN to keep the school's content protected from unwanted outside access, any activity on the laptop would be seen as coming from the school's network.

Even if the laptop is several miles away? COOL. Is there any way I could get something like that so My agents could use their laptops wherever and still be able to log in thru the office router even if they were in the next county?

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RE: student expelled for tweeting from home - 3/28/2012 12:54:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would think as long as you have the vpn set then yeah, you should be able to do that Hillwilliam. I know my former work had laptops like that for certain employees and they were able to keep track of the laptop in case it was ever stolen or lost or used improperly.

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