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Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 3:05:33 PM   
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The misleading assault on the president’s energy policies continues.
  • A conservative group’s TV ad claims “we will all pay more at the pump” because the administration “blocked” the Keystone XL pipeline.
  • Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell claims that the pipeline “could have brought 700,000 barrels of oil to the market each day.”
  • The TV ad also claims that Obama “opposed exploring for energy in Alaska,” which is only half true.
All those claims are false or misleading. Regarding the pipeline, as we’ve reported, there’s nothing stopping more Canadian oil from coming into the U.S. right now. Existing cross-border pipelines could carry perhaps 1 million additional barrels of oil per day, and surplus capacity is projected to persist for years to come even without the Keystone project.
Furthermore, Obama hasn’t “blocked” it. The Keystone’s sponsor says it expects the White House to approve the northern leg, from Hardisty, Alberta, to Steele City, Nebraska, in 2013, after it submits an application for a new route around Nebraska’s environmentally sensitive Sandhills region. Meanwhile, it is going ahead with the southern portion, which Obama has endorsed, ordering agencies to expedite permitting.
As for the claim that Obama “opposed exploring for energy in Alaska.” The truth is that Shell Oil days ago said it expects to begin drilling exploratory wells this summer in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas off Alaska’s Arctic coast, now that the Interior Department has granted approvals for the company’s oil spill response plans. Nine Dollar Gas The latest TV ad to heap blame on Obama is “Nine Dollar Gas” from the American Energy Alliance, an advocacy group that does not disclose the sources of its money. It is a “subsidiary” of the industry-funded Institute for Energy Research. Thomas J. Pyle, a one-time aide to former Texas congressman Tom Delay, is president of both groups. Politico reported that both groups are funded in part by brothers Charles and David Koch and their donor network.
AEA announced that it was spending $2.5 million to air the ad for two weeks in eight states: New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, Florida, Ohio, Virginia and Michigan. The ad first started airing in Jacksonville, Fla., March 30, according to Kantar Media’s Campaign Media Analysis Group. The group said it would later spend another $1.1 million on the buy, and include “radio, Internet, and print media advertising” as well as “grass roots education and mobilization.”
The 30-second spot makes a number of incorrect or misleading assertions, but we’ll take the pipeline claim first. It says Obama “blocked the Keystone pipeline, so we will all pay more at the pump.”
That echoes a common Republican refrain, which Sen. McConnell has just repeated in an opinion piece circulated to home-state newspapers in Kentucky. (Thanks to Al Cross, of the University of Kentucky’s Institute for Rural Journalism and Community Issues, for alerting us to this.)
Mitch McConnell, March 30: His [Obama's] consent to that single project could have brought 700,000 barrels of oil to the market each day and created thousands of new America jobs. Yet President Obama blocked the pipeline, despite an exhaustive three-year review.
The truth, however, is that the pipeline has been delayed, not “blocked.” And it could not possibly bring in more Canadian oil until many years in the future. What we wrote in a March 22 item — about a similarly misleading ad by the Republican-leaning Crossroads GPS group — bears repeating here.
First, the president has merely delayed a decision on the controversial northern leg of the project, which would bring oil from Hardisty, Alberta, to Steele City, Nebraska. The company that wants to build the pipeline– TransCanada Corporation — has yet to choose a new route through Nebraska to avoid the environmentally sensitive Sandhills area. The original route met with bipartisan opposition from the state’s political leaders. The company says it is still working with Nebraska officials but expects to submit a new application to the White House this year. It expects to get approval in the first quarter of 2013, and place the pipeline in service in 2015.
Meanwhile, there’s nothing to prevent more Canadian oil from coming into the U.S. right now, should Canada be able and willing to send it. Existing cross-border pipelines already have much more capacity than they are using. Those pipelines have the capacity to bring in more than 1 million barrels per day of additional Canadian oil, according to a study produced for the U.S. State Department by EnSys Energy & Systems Inc. of Lexington, Mass., in December 2010. And the study predicts that surplus capacity will persist at least until the year 2020, even if the Keystone is never built (see table 3-4). The 700,000 barrels that McConnell refers to is the additional surplus capacity that the Keystone’s northern leg would provide.
(Our sister site, FlackCheck.org, made fun of this GOP claim with an apt analogy. Just as installing more mailboxes doesn’t result in getting more mail, adding more surplus pipeline capacity won’t result in more oil.)
Meanwhile, Obama has embraced the southern portion of the Keystone project. It will begin in Cushing, Okla., and help eliminate a bottleneck that has prevented a glut of lower-cost oil from reaching U.S. Gulf Coast refineries, which have been clamoring for it. On March 21, Obama even said he would order federal agencies to make faster permitting and review decisions, a mostly symbolic gesture, since a TransCanada Corporation official had said earlier that he expects to get the needed permits and to begin construction as soon as this June anyway. The company says it expects the Cushing-to-the-Gulf pipeline to start carrying oil in “mid to late 2013.” Exploring for Energy in Alaska The American Energy Alliance ad also claims that Obama “opposed exploring for energy in Alaska.” But that’s not entirely true. In fact, Shell Oil says it expects to begin drilling exploratory wells in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas this summer, now that the administration has approved the company’s spill response plans.
Much to the chagrin of environmentalists, the administration has been active lately in moving along exploratory drilling plans for Alaska. On Feb. 17, the Interior Department approved Shell Oil’s spill response plan for exploratory drilling in the Chukchi Sea. Then, on March 28, the Interior Department approved Shell’s spill response plan for the Beaufort Sea. The Associated Press reported that Shell expects to begin drilling in both locations this summer.
Associated Press, March 28: Shell hopes to drill exploratory wells in both locations during the summer open-water season using separate drilling ships. Shell Alaska spokesman Curtis Smith said in an email that the approval is a major milestone. “It further reinforces that Shell’s approach to Arctic exploration is aligned with the high standards the Department of Interior expects from an offshore leader and adds to our confidence that drilling will finally commence in the shallow waters off Alaska this summer,” he said.
Shell does need other federal approvals before drilling can begin, but the company says it is confident that it can gain those approvals.
The American Energy Alliance bases its claim that Obama “opposed exploring for energy in Alaska” on the president’s opposition to the American Energy and Infrastructure Jobs Act of 2012, which would have lifted the ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. That’s true. He did oppose the bill for that reason, among others. But that doesn’t mean that the president is opposed to exploring for energy elsewhere in Alaska. Old Oil Claims The TV ad also contains several claims that we have already vetted and written about. Among them:
  • “Since Obama became president gas prices have nearly doubled.” That’s true. But as we’ve repeatedly written, oil is sold on world markets, and gasoline prices are driven by the cost of oil. The reason for the current spike in oil prices is “mainly geopolitical,” according to Daniel Yergin, chairman of IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates and author of several books on world oil markets. It’s misleading at best to suggest there is a connection between the president’s energy policies and the doubling of gasoline prices.
  • “[Obama] gave millions of tax dollars to Solyndra, which then went bankrupt.” It’s true that the Obama administration loaned $535 million to Solyndra, a solar energy company that has since filed for bankruptcy. But what does that have to do with high gasoline prices? Nothing.
  • “Obama’s energy secretary said we need to, quote, ‘boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.’ That’s $9 a gallon.” It’s true that Steven Chu said those words. But, as we previously wrote, Chu made that remark before becoming Obama’s energy secretary and even before Obama won the 2008 presidential election. Not long after becoming energy secretary, Chu said it would be “completely unwise to want to increase the price of gasoline.”


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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 5:38:34 PM   
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Because lying is apparently their main tactic.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 5:42:23 PM   
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There has to be a reason but why don't they put the new pipeline right beside the existing keystone pipeline?
(yes, kids, we already have one Keystone pipeline)
The ROW is there, the infrastructure is already in and the job would be faster and cheaper.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 6:25:42 PM   
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well,.. what i dont get is why it took years of Obama delaying a decision on it.. politically, he could have said no years ago, another route would have been decided on and approved and it would be creating jobs by now which he could point to during his re-election campaign.. as his committment to "getting America working again".. blah, blah, blah... seems to me he has shot himself in the foot..

other than that.. who seriously expects oil demand by the US is gonna drop? I know I dont.. few in the US have the motivation to change their dependency on oil.. I personally think it would be good for the US to further reduce the money they give to support the Saudis & mid-east.. but jmo..

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 6:29:50 PM   
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Because some prefer Drill Baby Drill to what they hear as:

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 7:07:51 PM   
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There has to be a reason but why don't they put the new pipeline right beside the existing keystone pipeline?
(yes, kids, we already have one Keystone pipeline)
The ROW is there, the infrastructure is already in and the job would be faster and cheaper.


The XL is an addition to the current pipeline.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 7:13:34 PM   
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Meanwhile, there’s nothing to prevent more Canadian oil from coming into the U.S. right now, should Canada be able and willing to send it. Existing cross-border pipelines already have much more capacity than they are using. Those pipelines have the capacity to bring in more than 1 million barrels per day of additional Canadian oil, according to a study produced for the U.S. State Department by EnSys Energy & Systems Inc. of Lexington, Mass., in December 2010. And the study predicts that surplus capacity will persist at least until the year 2020, even if the Keystone is never built (see table 3-4). The 700,000 barrels that McConnell refers to is the additional surplus capacity that the Keystone’s northern leg would provide.
(Our sister site, FlackCheck.org, made fun of this GOP claim with an apt analogy. Just as installing more mailboxes doesn’t result in getting more mail, adding more surplus pipeline capacity won’t result in more oil.)


Actually, the point of the XL is to get the Canadian oil to the Gulf Coast. Canadian oil isn't getting there in mass quantity at this time, so this is not the same as just "installing more mailboxes." In my area, newspapers deliverypeople are not allowed to put the paper in the mailbox. We had to have a separate structure for the newspaper. Thus, the XL is more like adding mailboxes for other things.

I do have to give props to FlackCheck.org for that analogy, misleading as it is.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 7:19:38 PM   
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His [Obama's] consent to that single project could have brought 700,000 barrels of oil to the market each day and created thousands of new America jobs. Yet President Obama blocked the pipeline, despite an exhaustive three-year review.
The truth, however, is that the pipeline has been delayed, not “blocked.” And it could not possibly bring in more Canadian oil until many years in the future.


And when President Bush pushed for more drilling, it was met with chagrin because it wouldn't produce meaningful amounts of oil for 10 years in the future. Oddly enough, Bush started pushing for more drilling his first year in office. But, that was, ironically, 11 years ago. So, the whole notion of "we can't do it because it isn't going to help us right now" is silly, crippling, and shortsighted. Sure, it wouldn't have had an immediate production impact, though it may have had a beneficial tax revenue and jobs numbers impact. It sure would have been nice to have right about now....


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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 8:10:34 PM   
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There has to be a reason but why don't they put the new pipeline right beside the existing keystone pipeline?
(yes, kids, we already have one Keystone pipeline)
The ROW is there, the infrastructure is already in and the job would be faster and cheaper.


The XL is an addition to the current pipeline.

I know that. My question is why don't they just run the XL right alongside the existing pipeline? The ROW has already been purchased, the environmental impact statements are all ready filled out. The access roads are and other infrastructure is all ready built. It just seems a cheaper, faster way to do the job.

I guess cheaper, faster and Government job doesnt go together huh?

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 11:15:18 PM   
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I guess cheaper, faster and Government job doesnt go together huh?


Neither do Obamao and fossil fuels.

What do you guess the figure to be? is every 10 cent increase at the pump costing him 25, 000 votes? 50,000? 1000,000?

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/30/2012 11:43:23 PM   
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well,.. what i dont get is why it took years of Obama delaying a decision on it.. politically, he could have said no years ago, another route would have been decided on and approved and it would be creating jobs by now which he could point to during his re-election campaign.. as his committment to "getting America working again".. blah, blah, blah... seems to me he has shot himself in the foot..

other than that.. who seriously expects oil demand by the US is gonna drop? I know I dont.. few in the US have the motivation to change their dependency on oil.. I personally think it would be good for the US to further reduce the money they give to support the Saudis & mid-east.. but jmo..


The amount of jobs that the GOP has claimed has kept diminishing as reality sets in on the project. They made some wild claims that this project would not only creat a few thousand jobs, but those jobs would be permanent. Then it dropped to 'very long term', and now its about 1.5 years at best, but that most of those employeed would not be on the job for even 70% of the time. Plus many parts for this project were produced in other countries. So we, the USA, is buying material we never produced. Would be like buying thousands of Japanesse cars when we could have purchases American made. Most people would be for such a project but the lying has just gotten out of hand.

Now, Mr. Obama could have inserted this into his jobs bill he released a few months ago. Chances are most Republicans would have opposed such a deal, since it makes President Obama look good; not because the bill (with the project inserted) would be a bad deal for the nation. Its when these folks put politics ahead of 'whats good for America' that got the President to put a stop to it. You can agree or disagree, but that is how the President saw it. The Republicans were doing this for political gain, not for any real investment or job creation for many Americans still under/unemployed.

I have no problem with conservatives lashing at the President and Democrats for not pushing this project through. However, its when they dont hold their own elected officals, that they voted in to the same level of accountibily and responsibility that bugs me. Thought it would have been ironically amusing that the USA created jobs with goverment money when groups within the GOP claim on such a continous basis that the goverment doesnt create jobs.

When the President entered office, he set about increasing the 'alternative fuels' programs before the issue became enough to grind the country to a halt due to massive oil shortages. He put it into several bills, and each time the GOP has resisted in every way it could. One of the things that made this nation good was its innovation when faces with problems. Republicans wish to do nothing but 'bitch and complain' while things went to hell. The President like any other reasonable person has looked down the futured and determine we should have industries that are both growing and thriving on their own when oil does indeed become scarce. This isnt 'playing politics' like the Republicans argue, its simply being wise to the conditions we find ourselves in now and years down the road.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 12:18:33 AM   
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Why do cons lie about nearly everything?

Disconnect with reality via religion? :)

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 3:56:08 AM   
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Why do cons lie about nearly everything?

Disconnect with reality via religion? :)


Some cons lie for the same reason some libs lie. Because they think they can get away with it. duh

Talk about a disconnect to reality

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 5:19:05 AM   
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I guess cheaper, faster and Government job doesnt go together huh?


Neither do Obamao and fossil fuels.

What do you guess the figure to be? is every 10 cent increase at the pump costing him 25, 000 votes? 50,000? 1000,000?

But, trucker. The original question I posed hasn't been answered. Why not just lay the new XL pipeline right beside the existing pipeline and save money and time? Is some congressman on some committee demanding that it go thru HIS district and making it take a 200 mile detour?
By putting it alongside the existing line, 3 very difficult and expensive steps are eliminated.

Environmental Impact (the one we're worried about)...........DONE
ROW Acquisition and associated court battles......DONE
Construction of support infrastructure (roads, powerlines to support pumping, etc) ....DONE

It's a totally uneducated guess but I'm guessing the savings would be well into the Billions and construction time could be shortened by a year or more.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 7:09:33 AM   
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Certainly a lot (much, most, all?) of it is politics.. but having a few extra jobs he can point to (no matter if they are short term, etc) would still be better for him, politically, than the Rs saying he has killed these jobs, blah, blah, blah..

Dont worry.. when oil and gas prices increase enough.. the govt will have no need for 'alternative fuels' programs.. the private sector will invest and innovate when there is a good buck in it for them to do so..

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 8:18:15 AM   
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Or, better yet, why build it at all? Why pipe oil 1000s of miles across half a continent? It makes no sense. It could be shipped to China out of Canada. Or it could be refined in Montana. There are refineries there. Why construct this environmental nightmare anyway?
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I guess cheaper, faster and Government job doesnt go together huh?


Neither do Obamao and fossil fuels.

What do you guess the figure to be? is every 10 cent increase at the pump costing him 25, 000 votes? 50,000? 1000,000?

But, trucker. The original question I posed hasn't been answered. Why not just lay the new XL pipeline right beside the existing pipeline and save money and time? Is some congressman on some committee demanding that it go thru HIS district and making it take a 200 mile detour?
By putting it alongside the existing line, 3 very difficult and expensive steps are eliminated.

Environmental Impact (the one we're worried about)...........DONE
ROW Acquisition and associated court battles......DONE
Construction of support infrastructure (roads, powerlines to support pumping, etc) ....DONE

It's a totally uneducated guess but I'm guessing the savings would be well into the Billions and construction time could be shortened by a year or more.



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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 4:01:28 PM   
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Worried about $5-6+ gasoline prices come November huh?

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 5:56:02 PM   
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Worried about $5-6+ gasoline prices come November huh?

No more than I was 8 years ago next month when gas was $4.11/gallon.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 3/31/2012 9:35:34 PM   
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Why do cons lie about nearly everything?

Disconnect with reality via religion? :)


Some cons lie for the same reason some libs lie. Because they think they can get away with it. duh

Talk about a disconnect to reality

More like cons always get away with it when it comes to the faithful, they barely even try to make it believable anymore, got you all trained like a bunch of wind up toys.

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RE: Why do cons continue to lie about Keystone? - 4/1/2012 10:44:51 AM   
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Why do cons lie about nearly everything?

Disconnect with reality via religion? :)


Some cons lie for the same reason some libs lie. Because they think they can get away with it. duh

Talk about a disconnect to reality

More like cons always get away with it when it comes to the faithful, they barely even try to make it believable anymore, got you all trained like a bunch of wind up toys.


Both side have idiots who will believe the drivel they are fed by their side. Why do you go after one side and ignore the others?

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