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ShyCheshire -> Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:00:29 AM)

I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with something, and I would appreciate some advice. I met someone here about a month ago, and I had a great feeling about him from the beginning. After a few conversations, he allowed me to call him Master, and we got together several times, as well as emailing and chatting regularly. A few days ago, he informed me that he's moving away for a job opportunity. I suggested some ways for me to continue being his submissive, including moving, but he said no. I can understand from his perspective that we did only meet recently, and if things did not work out, he would probably feel responsible (based on his personality).

The problem is, even though it was brief, I'm having a really hard time dealing with this. He was my first Master, which I'm sure has something to do with it. The rest? I don't think he understands the effect he had on me. I have very deep feelings for him that he does not feel for me. Right now, I'm crushed. I told him that I wanted him to move on quickly and find a new submissive, so he won't be alone in a new place, but the thought of getting over him just kills me. All of this came out of nowhere- one day I thought things were fine, the next he tells me he's leaving. He wants me to be okay, and I'm really trying, but this is the worst feeling I've ever had. Getting over him just feels like a betrayal, depite the fact that he doesn't want me anymore. And I know he really didn't mean to hurt me. He feels bad about it, but there's nothing he can do. Does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this? I don't care about ever having another Master again, I just need to be able to function without the one I thought I had.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:13:48 AM)

The issue you are having, in my opinion, is not the loss of a "Master" but instead the loss of a fantasy relationship you thought you had.

The thing about fantasy relationships is, they don't last (don't you love these profundities?).

Now, why would I say such a cruel thing to a stranger on the internet? Because, sweetie, if two people become Master/slave after a few conversations and hook ups, well, it's a fantasy.

Per your own words: After a few conversations, he allowed me to call him Master, and we got together several times, as well as emailing and chatting regularly.

Relationships take time to build, and the M/s or D/s ones are no exception.

I'm sorry you are feeling so overwhelmed with your loss, but please take the time to examine why you entered into this type of relationship with someone who could not possibly know all that well.

And if I am coming across as a know-it-all, let me please add that I know this particular scenario, since less than 10 years ago, I did very close to the same thing myself, when I was of an age I was *sure* I knew better.

And yes, it did result in years of self analysis to at least try and understand my own motivations.

Best, CP









RedMagic1 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:26:38 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShyCheshire
I met someone here about a month ago,

Watch this video.
http://youtu.be/oYxEvUFFY1g




ShyCheshire -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:30:30 AM)

In many respects, yes, you are correct in that I had certain fantasies about where our D/s relationship was headed. We had talked a lot about things we both wanted to do and try, including vanilla things, to get to know one another better. I guess I am more upset about the abruptness of his decision. I had no indications that anything was wrong, or that he was not developing feelings for me (or even the potential for feelings, enough to try long distance, etc). Again, yes, lots of complications with that, and lots of potential to get hurt. But I was willing to do that anyway. I cared for him without reservations; it's in my nature to be that way. I am trying to rationalize the feeling of being under consideration for a collar one moment, and then being told it was over the next. I wasn't even told until after he decided to accept the job and leave. I wish I could be mad or hate him or something, but I just don't. I understand why he made his choice, I'm trying to figure out how to get past the intensity of what we had.




Greta75 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:43:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShyCheshire
I met someone here about a month ago,

Watch this video.
http://youtu.be/oYxEvUFFY1g

Possible to find me a youtube video somewhat in similar vein for someone like me who is having difficulty moving on from a 2.5yr live in full time d/s love relationship.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:47:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Possible to find me a youtube video somewhat in similar vein for someone like me who is having difficulty moving on from a 2.5yr live in full time d/s love relationship.

My hit from your post is that you're asking a serious question. I'll try to come up with something tonight; I doubt I'll be posting here before then.




Greta75 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:55:51 AM)

ShyCheshire,
This man is your first experience with BDSM ever is he?
The problem with BDSM is that, the amount of trust you got to give is a whole lot more than in a vanilla relationship.
Because you are allowing someone to do unthinkable things to you. And trusting that person not to physically harm you in the process. You are letting him humiliate you, beat you and essentially giving your whole self to him in another level more wholly than vanilla relationships.
It is an intensely emotionally connecting experience even though short.
Just give yourself some time to heal from this hurt and keep your heart and mind open for another dom to come in.
The good news is, due to short time period you guys known each other, the grief and pain will shortly be over too.
You just need to get through the motions.






Greta75 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 6:57:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Possible to find me a youtube video somewhat in similar vein for someone like me who is having difficulty moving on from a 2.5yr live in full time d/s love relationship.

My hit from your post is that you're asking a serious question. I'll try to come up with something tonight; I doubt I'll be posting here before then.

Thanks, yes it is serious. I am going through a hard time, and that was a good youtube video to watch.




poise -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 7:29:14 AM)


I know you are hurting, and I'm sorry there is no easy fix for the loss your feeling right now.
It seems as though you thought there was much more to this relationship then he did, and it's probably best that
it ended because had he stayed, you would be even more emotionally invested in someone who didn't feel the same.

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShyCheshire
The thought of getting over him just kills me.


Imagine the thought of never getting over him.
Which one will do you more harm?




Lockit -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 8:14:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ShyCheshire

In many respects, yes, you are correct in that I had certain fantasies about where our D/s relationship was headed. We had talked a lot about things we both wanted to do and try, including vanilla things, to get to know one another better. I guess I am more upset about the abruptness of his decision. I had no indications that anything was wrong, or that he was not developing feelings for me (or even the potential for feelings, enough to try long distance, etc). Again, yes, lots of complications with that, and lots of potential to get hurt. But I was willing to do that anyway. I cared for him without reservations; it's in my nature to be that way. I am trying to rationalize the feeling of being under consideration for a collar one moment, and then being told it was over the next. I wasn't even told until after he decided to accept the job and leave. I wish I could be mad or hate him or something, but I just don't. I understand why he made his choice, I'm trying to figure out how to get past the intensity of what we had.


If it is your nature to care without reservations, then you really need to rationalize within your real situation before you let yourself go without reservations. If it is your nature to care without reservations with someone you hardly know, then it would also be in your nature to torture yourself with the loss?

You are trying to be mad at him... but you cannot. He isn't the one you should really be mad at. Go look in a mirror... see the person standing there? Yes, that's right... you... that is the person that set you up for this painful situation and you will set yourself up again, for another painful situation because you are rationalizing a fantasy... with people you don't know and taking things far to far and fast and lying to yourself to do so.

Fantasy just puts it in a category, easier to accept without accountability. You lied to yourself. Whether he did or not, I cannot know... but you surely did and you are continuing to do so now.

Your lesson here isn't in masters or bdsm, but is about who you are, what you are willing to do to provide a happy life for yourself and to learn to stop excusing what you do as in... caring without reservations before you actually know someone.

Now... call it what it is. Until you do, you will not move on. You keep calling it all you are calling it and well... you deserve and must enjoy every moment of torment you are putting yourself through.

I know, tough words and I may not understand the depth of what you had... that connection... yeah. I am not a woman of some age... that ever went through anything like this and I never ever got ahead of myself or made mistakes or did stupid? I had to look in that mirror a time or two and I am very glad I did. Now when I love without reservation... it is a choice and a good pick. I don't live in torment and I call things as I see them and have no reservation in admitting the truth about myself or any situation I am in.

Good luck... learning your life lessons.




LadyPact -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 8:22:26 AM)

A whole month, huh?

Sorry.  I just can't get wrapped up in something that spanned a whole thirty days.




kalikshama -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 8:34:02 AM)

quote:

All of this came out of nowhere- one day I thought things were fine, the next he tells me he's leaving. He wants me to be okay, and I'm really trying, but this is the worst feeling I've ever had. Getting over him just feels like a betrayal, depite the fact that he doesn't want me anymore. And I know he really didn't mean to hurt me. He feels bad about it, but there's nothing he can do.

Not now, but he could have been honest from the start and told you that he was looking to move for work.

quote:

Does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this?

Whatever resonates: join a gym, do lots of cardio, join a book club, volunteer, get a fuck buddy, get a therapist, read these books:

He's Just Not That Into You: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding Guys
"if a (sane) guy really likes you, there ain’t nothing that’s going to get in his way."

Why Men Love Bitches: From Doormat to Dreamgirl - A Woman's Guide to Holding Her Own in a Relationship
You can be submissive sexually yet self-empowered.




LPslittleclip -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 8:46:20 AM)

moving on is hard a month long was rather short but attacments can be strong if you know that you attach that strong and quickly keep it in mind for your next encounter
mine was over 5 years with my first Mistress it is very hard on me




ProlificNeeds -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 9:21:29 AM)

FR~

If it helps you move on... he just wasn't that in to you. He didn't want you along for the ride, he didn't want to make you a permanent part of his life. It's harsh, but pretty clear.





RedMagic1 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 9:28:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Possible to find me a youtube video somewhat in similar vein for someone like me who is having difficulty moving on from a 2.5yr live in full time d/s love relationship.

My hit from your post is that you're asking a serious question. I'll try to come up with something tonight; I doubt I'll be posting here before then.

Thanks, yes it is serious. I am going through a hard time, and that was a good youtube video to watch.


I'm back, but I've got nothing. So instead, here's one of my favorite videos. It's a song about how difficult it can be to get over someone, and how conflicted emotions can be, even if the relationship couldn't possibly have been real, or lasted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpeWHPtviFQ




Killerangel -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 10:14:43 AM)

I am very sorry for how badly you are taking this. Breakups and loss is always hard to process, it's not a fun part of being human. That being said, you do seem to be taking this into the realm of too much, as far as how attached you were to someone you honestly hardly knew. I'm wondering if he sensed it and is cutting bait designed to let you down more gently than saying your intensity freaked him out.

People don't generally get notice that they're leaving for a new job or location in just a month unless it's military. He'd have known when he met you probably that this job transfer was on the horizon, and quite frankly, he didn't care enough about you to let you know. It seems as though he wanted something to do in his free time before moving on. If he's even moving. If its a new job he just now decided to take, he had to know he was looking, he seems to have never told you about that. Something isn't right in this scenarios of suddenly coming up with a new job in another place. Either he was purposefully dishonest with you from the start, or is using it as an excuse to leave the relationship because he was pretty emphatic about not continuing things in any form with you after the move.

Yes, D/s does provoke strong attachments and feelings of dependency and a host of other strong emotions. Even with that in mind you seem unstable and rather immature I'd have to say after reading your journals and OP here. You seem to be a very young woman, high school or younger perhaps, who hasn't gone through a breakup before in some way or has any idea what life is like. Like the others who have said this, I am sincerely not picking on you. It seems very obvious from your writings on this site that you seem to have issues with emotional distance, relationship fantasies, and realistic expectations of a healthy progression in a couple. I do hope things get better for you. Maybe it can help you detach if you see that he probably took you along for a ride here and lied in some fashion about the whole job situation or is lying now.




OsideGirl -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 11:56:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Killerangel
Either he was purposefully dishonest with you from the start, or is using it as an excuse to leave the relationship because he was pretty emphatic about not continuing things in any form with you after the move.



I would say not really. 1)He probably told her when he found out he had the job. We also don't how long ago he applied for the job. It could have been months ago. 2) They've known each other a month. To him it was probably an extremely casual relationship and I doubt there was any commitment.

I can understand why he would not have discussed this until he knew that he was leaving. I wouldn't discuss my life choices with someone I just met until it impacted them. Until he got the job, it was none of her business and I bet when they met she never asked him what he was looking for in the relationship regarding long term.

The bottom line here is that she thought it was a relationship and he didn't.





HisPet21 -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 11:59:20 AM)

quote:

I had no indications that anything was wrong, or that he was not developing feelings for me (or even the potential for feelings, enough to try long distance, etc).


It is incredibly difficult to invest in, and to maintain, a long distance relationship. I, personally, would never agree to trying a long distance relationship with someone I had known for less than six months, let alone one month. First of all, its simply too difficult to maintain an interest in someone you hardly know, when you can only see each other every few months, and the extent for your contact is the weekly phone call. Secondly, after a month of dating, you really are still just getting to know your potential partner. And if you now live hundreds to thousands of mile away, it becomes nearly impossible to extend your knowledge of each other, because doing so involves close contact on a regular basis.

quote:

I suggested some ways for me to continue being his submissive, including moving, but he said no.


Good for him. You've only known each other for a month. It would be totally irresponsible for him to agree to the move. If you moved to a new location, and subsequently left your friends, family, and current job behind, what would you be left with if things didn't work out? You'd be in trouble for sure, especially financially, since moving is expensive. He doesn't want that hanging over his head. Plus, your willingness to make such a commitment after such a short time is a red flag for desperation. You came on too strong.

quote:

Again, yes, lots of complications with that, and lots of potential to get hurt. But I was willing to do that anyway. I cared for him without reservations; it's in my nature to be that way.


Obviously, it wasn't in his nature to care without reservations, so the two of you are incompatible. Furthermore, you may want to try changing this aspect of your personality. You are setting yourself up to be preyed upon by dangerous persons, and to be hurt in the future. Think about it. You're devastated by the loss of a one month relationship. You were willing to give up your entire life, as it stands, to move in with him. It would be easy for a clever, manipulative man, to harm and control you. And if you don't work on rationalizing your emotions more, you are setting yourself up to become nonfunctional if, god forbid, a man ever broke up with you are six months or a year of dating.

quote:

I am trying to rationalize the feeling of being under consideration for a collar one moment, and then being told it was over the next. I wasn't even told until after he decided to accept the job and leave.


You were dating him for a month. He was undre no obligation to discuss his career plans with you, or to give you the chance to provide input. Once he knew what decision he was going to make, he told you.

quote:

I wish I could be mad or hate him or something, but I just don't. I understand why he made his choice, I'm trying to figure out how to get past the intensity of what we had.


It's life. His career was more important to him than a women he barely knew, and were I in his shoes, I'd have made the exact same decisions. Getting over it will take some time, but it shouldn't take too long. Treat yourself to a nice dinner, go to the movies, and really think about why you responded the way you did. In the future, tread more carefully, and be aware that most people do not want or expect heavy commitments after a month or two of dating




LafayetteLady -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 12:12:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShyCheshire
I met someone here about a month ago,

Watch this video.
http://youtu.be/oYxEvUFFY1g


That was hysterical and SOOOO true!




angelikaJ -> RE: Moving on? (4/7/2012 12:51:25 PM)

There is a book: How to Survive the Loss of a Love that may help.
The entire text of the book is available here:
http://www.buildfreedom.com/content/books/survive/

I am going to present a hard truth: as much as this guy talked about a possible future and having one with you, at some point before he told you he knew of the opportunity that was presented to him: to relocate.
And at some point before he told you, he knew of his decision.

So, this was a fantasy for him even though he made it seem very real.
He could have been upfront with you from the beginning, and he wasn't.... and instead he strung you along.

To me, that wasn't very nice, nor very "masterly" behavior to take advantage of you like that...and it certainly was less than honest.

How to go on?: by realising that you are worth more than being lied to and being treated with such disrespect.

You deserve someone who isn't just seemingly compatible and seemingly nice, but someone who is real.
This guy wasn't real.
It was a game to him.

edit: clarity




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