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Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:25:59 PM   
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I've read the term 'sub frenzy' a few times on this forum, and did a little google search to find out more. Yep. I've experienced that! During my investigations, I came across the following:

"I should also mention that the experiences within the relationship are in many ways addictive. The state of natural euphoria that a submissive may experience during a scene can set off a hunger to experience that again. This is identical to the introduction of any addictive drug chemistries into the body, the same symptomology in many ways" (http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Lets-Discuss-Dominance-And-Submission/1906212)

Is BDSM really addictive in the same way as drugs can be? Is BDSM 'addiction' a bad thing? Could you live without BDSM if it were outlawed tomorrow? I'll be honest, I'm pretty sure I would be going underground rather than giving it up...




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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:33:39 PM   
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I'm sure it releases the same chemicals as sex (endorphins?). And perhaps other chemicals as well for pain, and all the other unique BDSM stimulus. All this is heightened by the social taboos associated with BDSM and all the attendant psychological crap we each bring to the table.

So yeah, I'd say BDSM could rank right up there with heroin as addictive, for some people.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:36:45 PM   
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I'm pretty sure it's not as addictive as some drugs can be. I doubt anyone has ever died from a desire for BDSM as some people can from withdrawal of certain drugs. I would suspect it's about as addictive as anything else pleasurable that doesn't otherwise start replacing part of your bodies normal function.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:39:36 PM   
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I'm an endorphin addict. I am a serrious pain slut. I am a mentally ill person who is a cutter. (I haven't cut myself in over 10 years, but only because I use techniques that work, not to. I often WANT to). I have never understood the difference between me cutting myself for endorphine release (I always cut the back of my left lower arm), and me letting some nice, trusted Dom cut me. There is a difference of course between cuttings and knife play, but for this question, I mean cutting. I just accept the difference and don't cut myself, even when I want to, oh so badly.

Oh, and here's the one I really can't figuree out - why can't I get my fat lazy ass addicted to running? That releases endorphins, too.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:41:57 PM   
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Anything that gives you a big dopamine and opioid boost is potentially addictive.

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...Neurochemical Commands: Your World Revolves Around Dopamine


The central neurochemical player behind falling in—and out—of love is dopamine. Dopamine is the principal neurochemical that activates your reward circuitry, the centerpiece of the limbic system. Your reward circuitry drives nearly all of your behaviors. In other words, most all roads lead to Rome, or to the reward circuitry, so you can assess things as "good, bad, or indifferent."

At its most basic, this circuit is activated when you engage in activities that further your survival, or the continuation of your genes. Whether it’s sex, eating, taking risks, achieving goals, or drinking water, all increase dopamine, and dopamine turns on your reward circuitry. You can think of dopamine as the "Gotta have it!" neurochemical, whatever "it" is. It’s the "craving" signal. The more dopamine you release and the more your reward circuit is activated, the more you want or crave something.

A good example is food. We get a much bigger blast of dopamine eating high-calorie foods than we do low-calorie foods. It’s why we choose chocolate cake over Brussels sprouts. Our reward circuit is programmed so that "calories equal survival."



You’re not actually craving ice cream, or a winning lotto ticket, or even a romp in the sack. You’re craving the dopamine that is released with these activities. Dopamine is your major motivation, not the item or activity. Dopamine is not the only neurochemical involved with reward, but it’s the one that motivates you to go after the reward. Dopamine governs the feelings of wanting, yet the experience of liking or enjoying something is probably due to opioids. Opioids are your brains own morphine and endorphins. Dopamine drives us toward eating or orgasm, but the experience of the actual orgasm or eating chocolate arises from opioids goosing the reward circuit. In essence, dopamine is never satisfied.

Addiction mechanisms are extraordinarily complex, and not fully understood. Yet the one aspect they share is dopamine dysregulation. All addictive substances and activities share one thing – the ability to strongly elevate dopamine levels. Watching porn, accumulating money, gaining power over others, gambling, compulsive shopping, video games…if something really boosts your dopamine, then it’s potentially addictive for you. Why did Martha Stewart risk everything for more money? She got a thrill from a stock market gamble. She didn’t need the money; she (thought she) needed the dopamine.

Addictive highs mimic the good feelings of the basic activities for which we're actually wired...by hijacking our reward circuitry. Only a few substances (alcohol, cocaine, etc.) have the ability jack up dopamine – that’s why they are addictive. We can also hijack it with extremely stimulating versions of natural behaviors: casinos with hot hostesses, novel porn at every click, tasty junk food filled with fat and sugar, and so forth. Dopamine loves novelty and the unexpected above all other natural stimuli.

Don't fall into labeling dopamine as bad. There's no such thing as a bad neurochemical or hormone, although either can become a problem when out of balance. Dopamine is absolutely necessary for your decision-making, happiness, and survival. Yet when it’s too low or too high (or when changes in its receptors alter your sensitivity), it can cause real problems. If you look at this chart you can see some behaviors and conditions associated with dopamine levels or with sensitivity to dopamine. Sensitivity equates with how many receptors a nerve cell has for dopamine.

Read more: http://www.reuniting.info/science/sex_in_the_brain




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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:47:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tsatske

Oh, and here's the one I really can't figuree out - why can't I get my fat lazy ass addicted to running? That releases endorphins, too.


I'm not addicted to running, but I think I've gotten into that "I just don't care" zone a couple of times on long runs. It takes pushing yourself way past your body kicking the shit out of you telling you to stop before you get there.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 2:56:20 PM   
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Great article, thank you kali.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:02:36 PM   
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quote:

why can't I get my fat lazy ass addicted to running? That releases endorphins, too.


When I don't go to the gym regularly I miss it, I think mostly the yoga. Come to think of it, I stopped drinking a few years after I started practicing. Hell, a friend of mine who was a heroin addict for 28 years has been clean for the 11 years since he started practicing.


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:04:03 PM   
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quote:

Great article, thank you kali.


You are most welcome. The brain fascinates me. In an alternate universe, I'm a psychologist.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:16:26 PM   
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too much of anything can be addictive. If you feel it's taking over your life to the point it's harming it then it may be time to learn how to balance your life.


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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:17:45 PM   
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In my opinion, anything which produces positive feedback in someone's brain can be addictive. If you like it, you want to do more. Just like for everything else, for some people the "more" runs out of control. For most, I suspect, it's just "I like it so I keep doing it."

I, for instance, love the heck out of owning my wife. But I love her A LOT, LOT more and I'd be perfectly willing to give up the BDSM elements of our marriage the moment I determined they were bad for it. In fact, I already have [tried] to do so twice now. If I'm "addicted", it's obviously an addiction I can easily break.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:27:15 PM   
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Yup. There are people that get addicted to vanilla relationships, too.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 3:48:30 PM   
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From http://yourbrainonporn.com/your-brain-on-porn-series and http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/definition-of-addiction.htm

Answer yes or no to the following seven questions.

1. Tolerance. Has your use increased over time?

2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal?

3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like?

4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?

5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?

6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?

7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.(1)

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 4:01:46 PM   
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I can't answer the general is BDSM addictive, but, for me, S&M specifically is very addictive. I am addicted to the endorphin rush from pain, plain and simple. I don't know that I am addicted to D/s, sex, orgasm, etc. I really only seem to experience addictive qualities with S&M. It generally takes up to 48 hours after an S&M session for all of the endorphins to leave my body. It feels like coming down off a high - and then, yes, it is nice if I can have more. For this very reason, I don't generally engage in S&M activity unless I'm with a really regular/steady partner with whom I'm having regular sessions. Otherwise, really, it is too difficult to manage.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 4:16:59 PM   
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The brain fascinates me as well. And learning how so much of who we are and what we do is based on brain chemistry is just....mind boggling.

I've come to the place where I think all humans are addictive to some degree. The trick is having your addictions be for things that are good for you, like exercise or healthy eating, as opposed to bad. And of course, establishing some sort of balance.

Pretty much anything done to excess is bad for you.



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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 5:27:39 PM   
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I don't see BDSM as an unnatural thing, it's just one of many ways to express affectionate or sexual relationships. Is hugging addictive? Is human contact addictive?
We actually require human contact to remain emotionlly and mentally healthy, so I don't see how sating the desire to have contact and sexual expression could be compared to harmful substances you can live without.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 7:42:49 PM   
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Here is an anomaly for me. I was attracted/craved BDSM long before I ever actually experienced it. In some ways (and those questions are a little scary) I would say addicted, but can you be addicted to something at 13 without ever even doing it?

But I also think it is a known fact you could be addicted to just about anything, so I would say the answer to the OP is yes.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 8:26:22 PM   
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I would go further and suggest that all addictions basically mimic sexual addiction, or addiction to sexual stimulus rather, since not all sexual addiction are the same as a "sex addiction" which has a distinct definition, but yes, sexual response is basically chemistry just like any other physical emotional response, and it's addictive for good reason, we are basically evolved to be addicted to sex, which is a fairly compulsive activity in all sexually reproducing organisms.

In most mammals, the female goes into estrus, or "heat" when she is fertile, and is mounted by one or more males, it's not "addictive", but it is compulsive.

Human females, women, lost estrus at some point, possibly when we began to walk upright, and human sexual behavior became much more complex than it is for mammals that retained estrus.

Since neither sex knows for sure when the female is fertile, women basically adapted to more frequent sexual activity, as did males, and regular sex helps regulate our endocrine systems: it raises levels of oxytocin and vasopressin, serotonin, etc., a whole host of chemicals that have the effect of regulating behavior, from love and nurturing, to jealousy, that reinforce pair bonding and facilitate K strategy reproductive behaviors, elastin contained in semen (which also contains antidepressants!) increases the elasticity of tissues, and softens the cartilage in the pubic arch, facilitating childbirth, and likely played a critical role in allowing cranial expansion.

Pheromone exchange has a whole host of additional effects, increasing fertility, strengthening the immune system, reducing stress and delaying osteoporosis.

Since neurotransmitter levels, like Serotonin are affected, quite certainly these may result in cravings that may or may not rise to the level of "addiction" - basically, sex is good for you, and it's good for you because it results in reproduction, and nature rewards reproductive activity usually, for the simple reason that the costs are relatively high.

i.e., there are risks, they don't really have to do with doing it or liking it to much, they have to do with externalizes, STD's, pregnancy - which is associated with rather significant costs to women, and potential violence from jealous partners, etc. - the sex itself is just fine, it creates regulates social activity, usually for the better (although sometimes for he worse), our entire culture has evolved around sex and reproduction, building nests for women, women nurturing children, food sharing, co-operative activity - it's quite unusual in mammalian species, the level of co-operation in human societies, and sex is a large part of the glue that holds it together, think Bonobos who are more closely related to us than other species of Chimpanzees.

Throw in BDSM, and you have a whole bunch of interesting fetishes, and different forms of stimulus and sensation, a number of which are quite intense, endorphins, etc.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry too much about it, it's really only an "addiction" if it's negatively affecting your life - at the same time, love is a battle field, etc, so for the most part, sex addiction is usually defined as compulsive and relentless sexually promiscuous behavior that interferes with forming lasting relationships or holding jobs, etc.

Most of the people yammering about BDSM addictions probably suffer from boredom addictions and can't stand the excitement, or have an agenda, or both - they're often found in conjunction.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 8:35:50 PM   
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I feel like I need to answer the OP's question 2 ways. 1st by replying to the quoted section and then a little explanation after:

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

From http://yourbrainonporn.com/your-brain-on-porn-series and http://www.addictionsandrecovery.org/definition-of-addiction.htm

Answer yes or no to the following seven questions.

1. Tolerance. Has your use increased over time?

Yes absolutely. Ever hear of "leather ass"?

2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal?

Always the following day after Mr and I play, it's almost all I can think about is doing it again. Think of it like Restless Leg Syndrome, when you;re laying in bed at night you get a feeling that if you don't move your legs the muscle will spazm. If he doesn't belt my ass, my body will spazm (probably bad analogy, but it's the best I can think of, and yes I have a mild case of RLS and it SUCKS)

3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like?

Without question. I can't tell you how many times I have begged him to go in late to work so we can play a little, just to hold me over til he gets home.

4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?

"Ow, that hurts...do it again" Need I say more?

5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?

OMG YES!...including play parties because we were too busy playing to get there on time

6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?

Do countless hours worth of conversation talking about toys we want to buy or BDSM activities we want to do count? How about Self bondage while he is on his way home from work just to tempt him to beat and fuck me when he gets home?

7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

No. (omg one for the no column lmao)

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.(1)



Now onto the second part of my answer:

Because I have experienced both an addiction to drugs when I was younger and now an addiction to cigarettes for the last neverfuckingmind how many years, I can with all honesty say, yes, I am addicted to BDSM, the lifestyle and all that goes with it. I would not even if I could give up this part of my life. Fortunately this lifestyle is one addiction that I can control where and how it comes out in my life. I do have a business, I do have children, I do have things going on in my vanilla life where it is not appropriate to expose the BDSM aspect of my life to. Though I am aware of my *addiction* I am able to keep it where it belongs...seperate from the other aspects of my life.

Dunno if any of that made sense...but it sounded good in my head while I was typing it out hehe.

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RE: Is BDSM addictive? - 4/9/2012 9:58:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crwlon4

Here is an anomaly for me. I was attracted/craved BDSM long before I ever actually experienced it. In some ways (and those questions are a little scary) I would say addicted, but can you be addicted to something at 13 without ever even doing it?


Hah, yeah, that is rather the difference isn't it? In an addiction, you do the drug and then you get addicted and crave it, but with this stuff the craving is (often) already there, and doing is just confirmation and fulfillment.

I know I've always been mostly aroused by helplessness and power dynamics, even before I was sexually active. Ordinary romantic vanilla sex for me is... nice, intimate, but usually not a whole whole lot more pleasurable than kissing. I don't think that's normal? But it was always that way for me.

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