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AAkasha -> For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/10/2012 4:27:12 PM)


Does the taste - as compared, for example, the texture/feel - of a cock/dildo in your mouth bring back feels like shame, fear or arousal? I know latex, rubber, etc. have distinct tastes - as do cum, pussy, etc. And these bring powerful memories to mind. I'm wondering how many men have such intense connections between the taste of a previously non specific thing - like latex or rubber - and something very specific like humiliation or arousal.

And more specifically, is it intense enough that at a given moment if you recall the taste, the reaction is undeniable and obvious? Like if you were to have the taste of acrylic or rubber on your lips in a different manner, would it fully bring you to that state?

Or, sort of like the sense of smell that can come back without trigger (at least, that happens with me), do you taste it without warning and remember a moment and feel the reaction?

I know a lot of subs think about the "act" of sucking cock (whether it be real or strapon), but I wonder how many have felt fully "imprinted" by it to the point that the taste of the device has been seared into their tastebuds.

Akasha




Soyokaze -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/10/2012 4:58:50 PM)

I tend to be shy, but not shameful if that makes sense... I can kind of see why people would find that stuff shameful, but I don't really think in the paradigm. Definitely never had flashbacks or anything.




FrostedFlake -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 1:32:46 AM)

I suspect the answer to this question will differ depending on who is doing the answering.




LadyPact -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 2:09:59 AM)

My boys have never been ashamed of pleasing Me in that fashion.  I work more with the knowledge of sexual pleasure and devotion.  Those who are Mine know Me better than that.
Why would I ever humiliate someone for getting Me off that way?

Oh, that's right...... Because I'm just a lifestyle chick.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 5:25:25 AM)

This question made me wonder, so I asked a few. The answer I got from all but one of them was no. They each said, in different ways, that they decided to take part in the activity freely so they feel no shame over it. None of them were after all forced. The one that said he does have a reaction said it was not shame. He gets upset over something having to do with breath play gone wrong and that it is a terror reaction not one of shame. I assume he has a ptsd.




AAkasha -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 8:33:33 AM)


People talk about "shame" like it's a bad thing. I am talking about men who get off on shame just like men who get off on pain or humiliation. I suppose I should have made it more clear, just like not talking about the "bad" kind of pain.

I will be more clear in the future.

Akasha




PrincessDonna11 -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 11:20:18 AM)

I asked too and found that those subs that had never had bi contact became more fearful with sucking dildos because they felt the real thing waas coming soon and they knew it doest taste like ruber!




MissImmortalPain -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 12:39:50 PM)

Though this does make what you were asking a little more clear I'm not sure it would make a difference. If you are speaking in terms of arousal then it would be a lot like asking a person who is into pain if they feel pain when they see a whip. It is still a very interesting question though so with the new point added I think I will ask them again.




LadyPact -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 3:37:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


People talk about "shame" like it's a bad thing. I am talking about men who get off on shame just like men who get off on pain or humiliation. I suppose I should have made it more clear, just like not talking about the "bad" kind of pain.

I will be more clear in the future.

Akasha

Thank you for the clarification, but I have to stick with My original response.  I only dabble lightly with humiliation (which produces shame) and I really don't bring it into sexual areas much.  I drive more for positive response.  Your original did mention arousal, so I can work with this from that angle.

On that note, My answer would be yes.  Over time, it is possible to train a man to become aroused by the things that arouse you.  It's all about programming the sexual response.  If you teach him, over time, that watching his lips around that glass dildo (latex and rubber tend to have a bad taste) turns you on like the greatest foreplay in the world and it makes you cum all over him like no other chick on the planet, hell yeah he learns to enjoy it!  After a while, he learns that he will get aroused by putting that toy in his mouth because you've taught him to react to your sexual response and as any chick can tell you, that's a pretty powerful drive in a male.  A submissive male who wants to please especially.  It becomes hot for him because it's hot for you.

At least, that's My experience in the matter.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 5:36:45 PM)

I haven't done a nonscientific survey, but based on men I have known, I suspect the transgressive nature of the act is what's exciting, not necessarily the "shame". Doing taboo things is exciting, and if it pleases the woman asking you to do it, so much the better.




LPslittleclip -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 6:29:52 PM)

smell and taste have a great ability to recall a specific memory weather the memory is a good or bad one. as my LadyPact said She enjoys the hell out of watching me suck Her dildo or even better another male cock. as i know it pleases Her it is asociated with a pleasurable memory for me so the smell and taste recalls good things. it is conditioning stimulis response now the idea of me sucking a male cock for Her is exciting to me not that im bi but that i will do it for Her that makes it even hotter for Her. for me i dont humilate easyly but i shame with a simple look from Her




LookieNoNookie -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 7:08:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


Does the taste - as compared, for example, the texture/feel - of a cock/dildo in your mouth bring back feels like shame, fear or arousal? I know latex, rubber, etc. have distinct tastes - as do cum, pussy, etc. And these bring powerful memories to mind. I'm wondering how many men have such intense connections between the taste of a previously non specific thing - like latex or rubber - and something very specific like humiliation or arousal.

And more specifically, is it intense enough that at a given moment if you recall the taste, the reaction is undeniable and obvious? Like if you were to have the taste of acrylic or rubber on your lips in a different manner, would it fully bring you to that state?

Or, sort of like the sense of smell that can come back without trigger (at least, that happens with me), do you taste it without warning and remember a moment and feel the reaction?

I know a lot of subs think about the "act" of sucking cock (whether it be real or strapon), but I wonder how many have felt fully "imprinted" by it to the point that the taste of the device has been seared into their tastebuds.

Akasha


AAkasha....I know I accosted you some years back (later to be proven wrong.....long story)...you write such descriptive and such delicious stuff.....you (can) make men's heads spin.




AAkasha -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 7:13:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie



AAkasha....I know I accosted you some years back (later to be proven wrong.....long story)...you write such descriptive and such delicious stuff.....you (can) make men's heads spin.


As long as that's not all the way around a la the exorcist, that's a good thing, right? LOL.




AAkasha -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 7:21:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I haven't done a nonscientific survey, but based on men I have known, I suspect the transgressive nature of the act is what's exciting, not necessarily the "shame". Doing taboo things is exciting, and if it pleases the woman asking you to do it, so much the better.


I think sometimes men are ironically..ashamed to admit they are turned on by being ashamed, or something like that. There's nothing wrong with being kind of turned on by being embarrassed. Just like being turned on by being physically "hurt" isn't anything to be ashamed about either. There are some women that find it "hot" that a man is embarrassed or ashamed (like me) and some that think it is endearing and others that just don't mind either way, and enjoy the experience overall because of the power exchange - period.

But whether it's sucking a dildo, or being forced to wear women's lingerie when a man isn't used to it and is being stared at by a woman who is embarrassing him (or her friends), or a man who for the first time in college is being "mocked" by a giggling sorority girl over something and instead of being just embarrassed he finds that he is embarrassed AND turned on...and later he replays it in his head and it becomes a fantasy of seduction, embarrassment, and objectification...well, why ignore the fact that objectification and shame and embarrassment are tools, just like pain?

It's just another tool in the toolbox that many femdoms may or may not choose to embrace and use. But when a couple says, or a femdom says, "Oh, my partner isn't ashamed or disgusted by what he does, he loves submitting to me," that's like saying to the "shamed" partner that they aren't fully enjoying what they are doing. They WANT to feel that. That is their "rush." It's a raw kind of thrill.

For me, I just love the vulnerability. And I think it plays into my objectification fetish. When I make a man feel ashamed it isn't about actual degradation, it's more about objectification; when I say, "you are so pathetic," what the implication is really is "You are so pathetic and it's SO HOT," and he loves the way it makes him feel. Raw and helpless.

Akasha





LookieNoNookie -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 7:47:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie



AAkasha....I know I accosted you some years back (later to be proven wrong.....long story)...you write such descriptive and such delicious stuff.....you (can) make men's heads spin.


As long as that's not all the way around a la the exorcist, that's a good thing, right? LOL.



It's a wonderful thing...I actually think you're an alien being who has little tentacles into the male mind....and you're here to suck our brains out.




LadyPact -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/11/2012 7:50:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
It's just another tool in the toolbox that many femdoms may or may not choose to embrace and use. But when a couple says, or a femdom says, "Oh, my partner isn't ashamed or disgusted by what he does, he loves submitting to me," that's like saying to the "shamed" partner that they aren't fully enjoying what they are doing. They WANT to feel that. That is their "rush." It's a raw kind of thrill.

For me, I just love the vulnerability. And I think it plays into my objectification fetish. When I make a man feel ashamed it isn't about actual degradation, it's more about objectification; when I say, "you are so pathetic," what the implication is really is "You are so pathetic and it's SO HOT," and he loves the way it makes him feel. Raw and helpless.

Akasha



No, I think you're wrong.  I don't ever feel like that.  I'll bet that other Dommes who have confidence in their abilities don't feel like that either.  Heck, if he did feel shame sucking a dildo for Me, I'd probably work with it.  There is no change in the basic principle.  The boy does it for Me because I own him and anything after that is gravy.

Don't misunderstand Me.  I'm sitting in the catbird's seat.  These days, his cock gets hard when he wraps his lips around something phallic shaped because he knows it gets Me hot, wet, and tight.  When I am, it is now learned behavior that I will take him as My property and ride him like there is no tomorrow.

It's not such a bad thing.




SheilaBabe -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/12/2012 3:17:46 PM)

some great reading :)




81song -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/13/2012 11:48:05 AM)

Some good reading indeed ......
I wish I had the time in responding to this because Akasha you have hit on a good point here as to shame.
I guess with me as a sub it's the whole ex catholic thing about shame and sex as one maybe. And for me it is pushing myself as to my feeling about being a man. And as a sub it pushing me as to what is really inside me and what is or what is not a turn on. But just the feeling to be at a Domme's feet can be a true test, in real of course.
So yes shame for me is a turn on.




SnowRanger -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/13/2012 1:07:17 PM)

OH! It is my HEAD that is spinning and not the world!

Hello All,

I do not have a lot of strap-on experience; so, take what I say with the same amount of salt that is in those blocks they put out for cows to lick.

I can not say that shame enters in to it for me. Perhaps I have not done enough self assesment. I like what you said about feeling raw and helpless.

What I do feel is being: more completely vulnerable; more throughly possesed; more perfectly submissive.

As for the taste... Lady Pact is right. The thing tasted terrible! For quite a while, the memory of that taste took me back.... ;-)

Respectfully,
Mike
SnowRanger




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: For male subs: The taste of shame? Dildos, cocksucking & memory (4/13/2012 7:15:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Over time, it is possible to train a man to become aroused by the things that arouse you. It's all about programming the sexual response. If you teach him, over time, that watching his lips around that glass dildo (latex and rubber tend to have a bad taste) turns you on like the greatest foreplay in the world and it makes you cum all over him like no other chick on the planet, hell yeah he learns to enjoy it! After a while, he learns that he will get aroused by putting that toy in his mouth because you've taught him to react to your sexual response and as any chick can tell you, that's a pretty powerful drive in a male. A submissive male who wants to please especially. It becomes hot for him because it's hot for you.


Yes this summarizes how i react, quite well. And whether intentional or not, i believe LP is descxribing the general male reaction.



quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
It's just another tool in the toolbox that many femdoms may or may not choose to embrace and use. But when a couple says, or a femdom says, "Oh, my partner isn't ashamed or disgusted by what he does, he loves submitting to me," that's like saying to the "shamed" partner that they aren't fully enjoying what they are doing. They WANT to feel that. That is their "rush." It's a raw kind of thrill.

For me, I just love the vulnerability. And I think it plays into my objectification fetish. When I make a man feel ashamed it isn't about actual degradation, it's more about objectification; when I say, "you are so pathetic," what the implication is really is "You are so pathetic and it's SO HOT," and he loves the way it makes him feel. Raw and helpless.

Akasha



No, I think you're wrong.  I don't ever feel like that.  I'll bet that other Dommes who have confidence in their abilities don't feel like that either.  Heck, if he did feel shame sucking a dildo for Me, I'd probably work with it.  There is no change in the basic principle.  The boy does it for Me because I own him and anything after that is gravy.

Don't misunderstand Me.  I'm sitting in the catbird's seat.  These days, his cock gets hard when he wraps his lips around something phallic shaped because he knows it gets Me hot, wet, and tight.  When I am, it is now learned behavior that I will take him as My property and ride him like there is no tomorrow.

It's not such a bad thing.




Honestly, i cannot recall EVER feeling ANY shame is making a Lady happy! i only recall PRIDE in pleasing!

Then too, i can't remember being a NOVICE! [:D] So no vulnerability would be seen, either!

Chuckles ... and that is ALL i have to say about these scenarios~ [;)]




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