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What do you think of this? - 4/14/2012 2:44:14 PM   
DomKen


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Is supporting the families of wounded veterans an evil thing?
Will knowing the identty of the donor change your opinion on the charity or the donor?
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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/14/2012 2:59:44 PM   
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Is supporting the families of wounded veterans an evil thing?


No.


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Will knowing the identty of the donor change your opinion on the charity or the donor?


Well, if its someone I really loath I might think, huh... well, I guess they're not all bad... unless it is an obviously transparent attempt to repair a damaged reputation.

But then, I think very few people are all good or all bad.

As for my opinion on the charity, if they are a worthy charity (and the Fisher House seems to be such) then I think that it is money put to good use... even if it comes from someone despicable. Money itself is neutral, mere paper representing stored energy... it is the uses to which it is put that is good or bad.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/14/2012 3:08:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master is familiar with Fisher Houses.  It is a good charity and deserves the donation.  Money spends the same whatever its source.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/14/2012 6:50:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

A major figure gave about 15% of his income to this charity
http://www.fisherhouse.org/

Is supporting the families of wounded veterans an evil thing?
Nope

Will knowing the identty of the donor change your opinion on the charity or the donor?
It wouldn't change my opinion of the charity. As to the donor, that would depend on how I felt about them to begin with and why they donated the money.



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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/14/2012 9:31:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

A major figure gave about 15% of his income to this charity
http://www.fisherhouse.org/


YAY! I think that people should give to their charities of choice.

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Is supporting the families of wounded veterans an evil thing?


Umm. . . no. Strange question, to me.

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Will knowing the identty of the donor change your opinion on the charity or the donor?


No. There are lots and lots of charities out their. I think that it is good when people put their money where their mouth is. In addition, it is this person's money, to spend as they please.

I suppose if this person defrauded another charity or something in order to gain the money and then donated it and the charity knew that this is where the money came from. . . but that kind of thinking starts getting hincky.

I am kind of wondering if the person is going to turn out to be a kid/young adult business.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 11:28:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics


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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 12:21:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
A major figure gave about 15% of his income to this charity
http://www.fisherhouse.org/
Is supporting the families of wounded veterans an evil thing?


Of course not.

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Will knowing the identty of the donor change your opinion on the charity or the donor?


Absolutely not, on either question.

I knew where you were going with this. And, if you're going to make some sort of argument that Obama is more charitable, or whatever, because of his donation to the Fisher House? Yeah, no. How about you go back and see how much the Obama's have donated over the years, and not just since he's been in Congress.




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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 12:23:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about we see what republicans have donated over the years as they cut funding for those veterans?

Wouldn't that be more interesting?

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 12:24:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking it must be Jane Fonda. So it was some other socialist dirt bag. Who cares where it came from.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 12:50:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		My question would be, if President Obama understands private donation is a good thing, why does he keep going after other people's money to pay for these social programs?

I don't think I've ever seen a conservative say a bad word about a private donation to charity, have you Kenny?

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 1:18:51 PM   
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My question would be, if President Obama understands private donation is a good thing, why does he keep going after other people's money to pay for these social programs?

I don't think I've ever seen a conservative say a bad word about a private donation to charity, have you Kenny?

You also very rarely see any conservatives make private donations to charities themselves.
That's always struck me as a bit of a flaw in the whole libertarian "no public funding for charity" agenda, myself.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 1:22:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics


Its politics.. he is careful cuz anything not 100% PC on his tax return means its harder for him to blast Romney & his tax return..

Obamas Politically Astute Tax Return



eta- you dont think he thought out which charities he should personally give to in order to get the most political bang (& votes) for his buck, do you?
He gives to charity = brownie points
The charity helps veterns = double brownie points

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 2:35:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics


Its politics.. he is careful cuz anything not 100% PC on his tax return means its harder for him to blast Romney & his tax return..

Obamas Politically Astute Tax Return



eta- you dont think he thought out which charities he should personally give to in order to get the most political bang (& votes) for his buck, do you?
He gives to charity = brownie points
The charity helps veterns = double brownie points

That's bollocks.

He gave between $500 and $5000 to 38 charities of all sorts and gave $117,000 to Fisher House, a charity most people haven't heard of and which he never publicized.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 2:47:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics


Its politics.. he is careful cuz anything not 100% PC on his tax return means its harder for him to blast Romney & his tax return..

Obamas Politically Astute Tax Return



eta- you dont think he thought out which charities he should personally give to in order to get the most political bang (& votes) for his buck, do you?
He gives to charity = brownie points
The charity helps veterns = double brownie points

That's bollocks.

He gave between $500 and $5000 to 38 charities of all sorts and gave $117,000 to Fisher House, a charity most people haven't heard of and which he never publicized.

of course he gave to more than just one (it looks good to spread a little around like that) but he gave a big chunk to one that gives him the most brownie points & votes.. he didnt have to publicize it (for him to do that himself would be seen as political so have a negative affect instead, which is why he didnt), but the ny times did it for him..

Thats just my view on it, which i am entitled to, as you are to yours..

I wonder what his tax returns looked like before he had to start making them public (& how they will look when he no longer has to)..

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 5:29:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics




Great. This does not change my veiw that people should give to their charity of choice. We do it in my house. Including Butterhead. Granted, she gives to the charity that I pick, but when she is older she may choose a different one.

It would still be a more heart-warming story if it was a ten to sixteen year old. But then again, I like reading about those sorts of stories. An adult giving to a charity does not give me the same warm fuzzies as reading about a child taking it on themselves to do so.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 5:50:58 PM   
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You also very rarely see any conservatives make private donations to charities themselves.


I'm a liberal, but I'd need to see a convincing source before saying that conservatives don't give.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 5:59:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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My question would be, if President Obama understands private donation is a good thing, why does he keep going after other people's money to pay for these social programs?

I don't think I've ever seen a conservative say a bad word about a private donation to charity, have you Kenny?

You also very rarely see any conservatives make private donations to charities themselves.
That's always struck me as a bit of a flaw in the whole libertarian "no public funding for charity" agenda, myself.


Really?
Perhaps they just don't need to brag about it...

Let me ask Kenny, how do you feel about Biden's charitable givings?

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 6:14:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the words "private donations" might be tripping some people up.

I was raised that one does not give to charity and then, publicize it. Whether I give or not and to which organizations will never be talked about by me or anyone who wishes to be associated with me.

Obviously, the president is "obligated" by political pressure to release a financial disclosure (which I think is bullshit of the first order but, unfortunately it has become de rigeur). I will never fault any politician for that.

However, if bravado enters into it, I believe it shows the "charitable" person to not be practicing true charity; as a part of that spirit (to me), seeking accliam or pats on the ass negates any charitable properties of the giving and it becomes "PR work".

There's a fairly strong streak of conservatism in my family and my paternal grandfather still received pleas for continued support at my parents' house (his last address), ten years after his death. Yes, I'm outting my dead grandfather as a giver.



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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 6:35:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

The person who donated 117,000 dollars to Fisher House was President Obama
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/14/us/politics/14obama-document.html?ref=politics




In that case, my feelings toward him wouldn't change. I already assumed he was the kind of man who would give to charities and this only confirms it.

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RE: What do you think of this? - 4/19/2012 8:48:06 PM   
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How about we see what republicans have donated over the years as they cut funding for those veterans?
Wouldn't that be more interesting?


Has nothing to do with it. I'm not knocking Obama for giving. I don't think his returns will provide much other than he knows when to donate.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/03/obama-releases.html

Neato, huh?

I have no problem looking to see what our elected officials have given to charitable organizations, so long as they have the choice to show or not.

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