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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/6/2012 10:44:19 PM   
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Because that's how that gansta plays the race card hisself, homes. Knowwamsayin?


You do know the words is holmes, not homes, right?

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 3:10:22 AM   
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Now your making shit up to back up your reasoning. The poster in question never mentioned Zimmermans colour, not once not ever. (Ice and Skittles thread) What was pointed out, by many of us, was Zimmermans preconcieved notion the black kid was up to no good. I would like to know how stating something that Zimmerman clearly said can be construed by yourself as "playing the race card"


Bullshit. Now you're just guilty of selective reading because you don't agree with my position. How sad. The poster in question based her entire point on the fact that Martin was profiled because he was black and that Zimmerman wasn't arrested because he was white (neither of which as true of course as he *was* arrested and was *not* white, but hispanic). This of course means she was jumping to conclusions and......playing the race card.


Thank you, the above is just an assumption of why that poster held certain views. She never mentioned the word "white" as you claimed, so I stick by my earlier point that your view of her post is racist as it is (as shown above) based on her colour.

When in a hole, stop digging.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 4:58:15 AM   
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Because that's how that gansta plays the race card hisself, homes. Knowwamsayin?


You do know the words is holmes, not homes, right?

You sure, dawg?

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 6:52:17 AM   
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'E was finkin you was referrin to Sherlock...elementary......  

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 7:18:35 AM   
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Because that's how that gansta plays the race card hisself, homes. Knowwamsayin?


You do know the words is holmes, not homes, right?

You sure, dawg?


It would appear that even at the urban dictionary there is some disagreement.


Holmes

24 up, 11 down





"Holmes" (L is not silent) is the correct Ebonics pronunciation which has a history of being used equivalently with, "dude", "guy", "man" or similar non-familiar alternatives not in the third person.

It was made popular in late 60s East Coast slang, and then later devolved into, "homes" (silent L) at which point it was incorrectly assumed to be short for, "homeboy".

"Homeboy" is typically expressed as a familiar, friendly term often in the third person.

Unlike homeboy, holmes can be used in a variety of ways to denote friendship, aggressiveness, or dubious curiousity.

"What you lookin at holmes?"

"Nice score on that one holmes!"

"Hey Holmes..."

buy holmes mugs & shirts

holmes homeboy homes dude guy
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holmes

111 up, 120 down





Term came into existence as a honorific after Larry Holmes defeated Gerry "The Great White Hope" Cooney, in spectacular fashion in 1982. Larry Holmes, a dominant heavyweight champion, won his first 48 professional fights Its orgin has no reference to Sherlock Holmes, John Holmes, or homeboy. It has come to be used in place homeboy, or just as a term for a stranger ie Jack or Buddy.

What's up holmes?


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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 9:37:27 PM   
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Wrong they do keep arrest records, not a conviction but it is record.


And in a country where a person is innocent until proven guilty, an arrest record is just that and only that -- a record of arrest. He was convicted of no crime.

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As to Martin school record, his last suspension was for allegedly carrying a plastic bag containing marihuana residue,


No no. No need to use the word "allegedly" in reference to why he was suspended. He *was* suspended and the reason for the suspension stands as a matter of his record. You say the tests were negative. So? There are drug users and junkies who clean their urine before a piss test. Doesn't meant they aren't junkies. Just means they know how not to get caught.

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Another was he was carrying a screw driver, alleged burgury tool..gee I have about 7 screws driver, this is old cheap trick police use to justifiy arresting someone, The courts have ruled this illegal.


But you'll still let us know when you successfully manage to board a plane with one, yes? Schools set their own rules. This is nothing new.

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Martin was observed in a restricted area, and with other who the school alleged were graffting walls, no graffty was found. And finally he was suspended for tardiness. I was suspended in High School as well. These hardly compare if at all


It's still a record and a more recent one than Zimmerman's convictionless record at that.

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you need a firearm to go to the store?)


You continuing to state this is a lame diversion attempt at best. You don't get to decide where a legally-armed citizen can carry his firearm. Criminals carry wherever they wish, without regard to the laws. CHL holders certainly can carry where they wish, in case one of those criminals finds them out somewhere and thinks they are an easy target.

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Walking around looking at the houses, Martin was staying with the girlfriend of his father, who lives there, walking around hardly a criminal activity and the Superme Court ruled it was not criminal conduct.


Looking at? So he was house shopping now? I'd think a neighborhood watch volunteer would A) know who lives in his area and who does not and B) be able to discern on his own who looks suspicious and who does not.


Well as I said the "School tested the bag and the test proved negative, that is the schools claim, Martin was not tested. Martin was never arrested for any crime. Well as to school infractions non are violant. Yet Zimmerman has arrest for violant offense, I would say if you comparied Zimmerman is worst. You may also review his My Space and what he said amout Latins.

The neighborhood Watch Program has a no weapons carry policy as well as no contact policy, Zimmerman broke both. Also Zimmerman has no authority to question anybody. That was for the police to handle. Had they done so, Martin would still be alive I think. ?And again just because you have CCW does not mean you can carry a firearm everywhere. Some place do not allow them, like Federal buildings.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 10:35:25 PM   
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Thank you, the above is just an assumption of why that poster held certain views. She never mentioned the word "white" as you claimed, so I stick by my earlier point that your view of her post is racist as it is (as shown above) based on her colour.


Believe what you like. You always do anyway, regardless of facts.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 10:40:07 PM   
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Well as I said the "School tested the bag and the test proved negative, that is the schools claim, Martin was not tested. Martin was never arrested for any crime.


No, but as is often the case, disciplinary action in schools is a precursor to criminal proceedings later in life.

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The neighborhood Watch Program has a no weapons carry policy as well as no contact policy, Zimmerman broke both. Also Zimmerman has no authority to question anybody. That was for the police to handle. Had they done so, Martin would still be alive I think. ?And again just because you have CCW does not mean you can carry a firearm everywhere. Some place do not allow them, like Federal buildings.


A) He broke neither, as he was not out "on patrol." As he was on a personal errand, he was absolutely allowed to have his legally-carried weapon on him.

B) His personal errand did not includ a federal building, so your last two points are invalid and irrelevant.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/7/2012 10:41:23 PM   
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Holmes

24 up, 11 down

"Holmes" (L is not silent) is the correct Ebonics pronunciation which has a history of being used equivalently with, "dude", "guy", "man" or similar non-familiar alternatives not in the third person.

It was made popular in late 60s East Coast slang, and then later devolved into, "homes" (silent L) at which point it was incorrectly assumed to be short for, "homeboy".

"Homeboy" is typically expressed as a familiar, friendly term often in the third person.

Unlike homeboy, holmes can be used in a variety of ways to denote friendship, aggressiveness, or dubious curiousity.

"What you lookin at holmes?"

"Nice score on that one holmes!"

"Hey Holmes..."

buy holmes mugs & shirts

holmes homeboy homes dude guy
by mpoodle Jan 7, 2012 share this add a video

6.

holmes

111 up, 120 down

Term came into existence as a honorific after Larry Holmes defeated Gerry "The Great White Hope" Cooney, in spectacular fashion in 1982. Larry Holmes, a dominant heavyweight champion, won his first 48 professional fights Its orgin has no reference to Sherlock Holmes, John Holmes, or homeboy. It has come to be used in place homeboy, or just as a term for a stranger ie Jack or Buddy.

What's up holmes?


Ohhhhhhh snap!

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 6:33:46 AM   
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Well as I said the "School tested the bag and the test proved negative, that is the schools claim, Martin was not tested. Martin was never arrested for any crime.


No, but as is often the case, disciplinary action in schools is a precursor to criminal proceedings later in life.

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The neighborhood Watch Program has a no weapons carry policy as well as no contact policy, Zimmerman broke both. Also Zimmerman has no authority to question anybody. That was for the police to handle. Had they done so, Martin would still be alive I think. ?And again just because you have CCW does not mean you can carry a firearm everywhere. Some place do not allow them, like Federal buildings.


A) He broke neither, as he was not out "on patrol." As he was on a personal errand, he was absolutely allowed to have his legally-carried weapon on him.

B) His personal errand did not includ a federal building, so your last two points are invalid and irrelevant.


Being a Criminalogist...I would like to see your data on school disciplinary actions being a precursor to later criminal activity. I, myself got suspended in high school and sent to the Principles Office a few times. Yet, in my adult life, a few parking tickets and one moving violation, hardly what you would call a career criminal. I spent 18 years in the military, got a degree...

The only person who said Zimmerman was going to the store was his brother on a news show. It remains to be seen. If you think you can carry your weapon around, go to your nearist FBI and walk in with it...and again...why would you need a weapon to go to the store? Or is it just an ego thing?


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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 6:59:25 AM   
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Well as I said the "School tested the bag and the test proved negative, that is the schools claim, Martin was not tested. Martin was never arrested for any crime.


No, but as is often the case, disciplinary action in schools is a precursor to criminal proceedings later in life.


That's akin to saying that kissing is a precursor to teen pregnancy or literacy is a precursor to a Nobel prize in Physics.

Correlation, yeah. Causality, not so much.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 7:44:18 AM   
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There's plenty of schools that like to keep disciplinary action in house rather than involving the authorities, come to that.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 9:37:24 AM   
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Being a Criminalogist...I would like to see your data on school disciplinary actions being a precursor to later criminal activity.

I seriously doubt that you are a criminologist (note spelling). Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

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why would you need a weapon to go to the store? Or is it just an ego thing?

Or, is the question another reason for doubting that you're a criminologist?

K.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 10:23:13 AM   
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Being a Criminalogist...I would like to see your data on school disciplinary actions being a precursor to later criminal activity.

I seriously doubt that you are a criminologist (note spelling). Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.

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why would you need a weapon to go to the store? Or is it just an ego thing?

Or, is the question another reason for doubting that you're a criminologist?

K.


Believe what you will, oh there are various theories of crime.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 11:11:26 AM   
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Believe what you will, oh there are various theories of crime.

Well, it is not a "theory of crime" that past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. It's a fact. And victims encounter crime in the most ordinary of circumstances, walking to their car, working behind the counter, sometimes just sitting in their living room or asleep in their bed. I would expect a Criminologist to know those things, not argue against them and ask why someone would "need" a gun to go to the store. That said, however, a friend who watches more TV than I do has pointed out to me that technicians in forensic labs are called "criminologists" today. So, I'll pick door number two.

K.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 11:36:48 AM   
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Believe what you will, oh there are various theories of crime.

Well, it is not a "theory of crime" that past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. It's a fact. And victims encounter crime in the most ordinary of circumstances, walking to their car, working behind the counter, sometimes just sitting in their living room or asleep in their bed. I would expect a Criminologist to know those things, not argue against them and ask why someone would "need" a gun to go to the store. That said, however, a friend who watches more TV than I do has pointed out to me that technicians in forensic labs are called "criminologists" today. So, I'll pick door number two.

K.


Sorry you are focusing on a theory of crime, past behavior as a predictor. It is one of several theories, if it were fact then we know who is going to commit a crime before he or she does. What you are also talking about is a science called Victimology

vic·tim·ol·o·gy
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noun
the study of crime victims and the psychological effects of being a victim.

A criminologist is a person who analyzes crime and criminal behaviors and attempts to provide explanations as to who commits crime and why they do it. A criminologist analyzes a criminal’s behavior and the methods he or she employs in commiting crime.
Unlike your friend I did not watch TV to get my degree...I went to University.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 12:36:10 PM   
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Unlike your friend I did not watch TV to get my degree...I went to University.

Well unh, did you happen to learn anything in your classes about following the evidence? Because I don't think there's any evidence that my friend watched TV to get his degree, or even that he has one. But hey, I suppose even criminologists (though not very good ones) sometimes allow personal bias to extend and elaborate the facts.

K.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 12:38:26 PM   
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I went to University.


Why is it professionals never say this?

People convincing themselves do it a lot, though.

I went to University too. No one gives a shit. People care about the results I bring.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 12:50:49 PM   
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And some don't know sarcasm.

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RE: "Stand Your Ground" law under attack.... - 5/8/2012 2:08:56 PM   
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I suppose not.

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