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ORIGINAL: igor2003
Wrong.  If you are not armed and someone attacks, you can defend yourself enough to stop the attack.  Just because they are down doesn't mean they aren't still fighting.  If they are down and keep fighting, you keep fighting.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Just responding to you hysterically classifying Martin's screwdriver as a weapon.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More bullshit from you. The real victim in this, even if Zimmerman is found not guilty, is the dead kid.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Go back a page or two where I pointed out to Raiikun that the detective investigating the case said the evidence disproves Zimmys claims.

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: igor2003
Wrong.  If you are not armed and someone attacks, you can defend yourself enough to stop the attack.  Just because they are down doesn't mean they aren't still fighting.  If they are down and keep fighting, you keep fighting.

When you're bashing someone's head repeatedly into the ground, that is not self-defense in any jurisdiction.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More bullshit from you. The real victim in this, even if Zimmerman is found not guilty, is the dead kid.

Nope. The punk was the aggressor. Can't be a victim if you're the aggressor.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Go back a page or two where I pointed out to Raiikun that the detective investigating the case said the evidence disproves Zimmys claims.

I'd rather look at the posts where you flat out ignored facts and evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well, if that story actually holds up in court, then Zimmerman might have an out.

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Don't get pouty if it turns out he's been talking out of his arse about that, though.

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ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

More bullshit from you. The real victim in this, even if Zimmerman is found not guilty, is the dead kid.

Nope. The punk was the aggressor. Can't be a victim if you're the aggressor.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Go back a page or two where I pointed out to Raiikun that the detective investigating the case said the evidence disproves Zimmys claims.

I'd rather look at the posts where you flat out ignored facts and evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun
As of right now it doesn't look like there's any reason to believe it won't. Even though it's not conclusive, there's too much evidence for and almost nothing against, and the only thing really "against" is easily explainable by anyone whose ever hit their head during a fight. (My hunch is when the Investigator said the evidence doesn't match Zimmerman's claims, he's referring to the head injuries not matching a description of being bashed repeatedly. The investigator did admit that his head hitting concrete was consistent with his wounds though.)

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I know I for one wouldn't. If it does turn out he is talking out of his ass about that, then my hope will be that the prosecution can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

You don't walk away with a couple of scratches if somebody was banging your head off a concrete pavement more than once. That's a pretty solid case against, to my way of thinking. Hell, not even the broken nose story has been confirmed yet, never mind the other.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

You don't walk away with a couple of scratches if somebody was banging your head off a concrete pavement more than once. That's a pretty solid case against, to my way of thinking. Hell, not even the broken nose story has been confirmed yet, never mind the other.

Well at this point it would be a real shock if it turned out his nose wasn't broken...I can't imagine any reason a lawyer would outright say it in court, and say he had the medical records that show it if it wasn't true. That'd be suicide to his case.

But like I said before...I can easily see how someone could be on the ground, in pain from a broken nose, hitting your head enough times for a couple good scratches and truly think a lot more was happening than that.

Once as teenagers at a friend's house I was wrestling in the yard with a kid a few years older and bigger than me. It was all in fun, though it started getting a little heated as it went on (mostly just competitive, weren't actually angry with each other). He got me down on the ground once, and then I felt a blinding pain on the back of my skull and freaked out. I threw the kid off in a rage despite him being bigger and the adults had to pull us apart. No one understood what had caused that reaction out of me, until someone looked at the ground where we were and found a half buried tree stump.

It was just an accidental bump, and not a particularly hard one...no bleeding or anything (so not even close to as bad as Zimmerman got on his head, if that photo is true). But it was enough to cause panic and over-ride reason, and put me in pure self-defense mode, and I thought my head had taken a LOT more than it had. And that was just while wrestling for fun.

So with a broken nose, blood coming from both sides of his head, if Martin had him down like he claimed, I can so easily understand how Zimmerman could have perceived what he claims he did.

And of course I'm still aware that he could be full of it; but I've not seen anything yet to convince me of that.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

O'Mara said he had medical records that he was giving the District Attorney...he never said it proved Zimmerman had a broken nose...

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

O'Mara said he had medical records that he was giving the District Attorney...he never said it proved Zimmerman had a broken nose...

He did tell the investigator that Zimmerman had a broken nose before offering the medical records.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


He did no such thing, as usual you are intellectually dishonest here.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

O'Mara said he had medical records that he was giving the District Attorney...he never said it proved Zimmerman had a broken nose...

He did tell the investigator that Zimmerman had a broken nose before offering the medical records.

He did no such thing, as usual you are intellectually dishonest here.

O'MARA: Ok. Have you ever had your nose broken?


Again O'Mara is a Lawyer not a Doctor....

O'Mara may say Zimmerman had a broken nose but he is NOT Medically qualified it takes a Doctor not a Lawyer.

Let see what the medical records report....


GILBREATH: No.

O'MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken.

GILBREATH: No.

O'MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct?

GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven't seen any medical records to indicate that.

O'MARA: Have you asked him for them?

GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No.

O'MARA: Do you want a copy of them?

GILBREATH: Sure.

O'MARA: I'll give them to the state. It's a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven't had them yet, I don't want to cross you on them.

Nothing further, thank you, your honor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't have any further questions, your honor.

(inaudible)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes sir. Anything further, Mr. O'Mara?

O'MARA: No thank you.

That is what was said, and that is all that was said.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

BRB, forwarding the sentence to an English professor for his input on if I'm "parsing it incorrectly".

Edit: It's a "tag question"; a declarative statement with a question at the end to verify that the listener understands.

"You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained" = declarative statement, stating that a broken nose was an injury that Zimmerman sustained.

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the gansta thug punk hoody

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Parse the sentence, you failed third grade english as well.

You know that Zimmerman is guilty, correct?

Again total intellectual dishonesty on your part.