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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:51:27 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:54:45 PM

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Lord knows, I'm no fan of Mitt Romney, and I won't be voting for him anytime soon.

But can we please, please, please focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of his policy prescription--providing daycare for welfare moms so they can work. To be honest, that's not the worst idea I've ever heard, particularly from a Republican.

And for heaven's sake, let's leave Mrs. Romney out of it.

Mitt Romney is on record as saying he relies on his wife for information about what women want. And Ann Romney is quoted in the press for saying that being a stay-at-home mother is a lot of work. So why isn't being a stay-at-home mother a lot of work for a woman on welfare? This goes to the heart of Romney's perspective on working mothers and welfare reform. The idea is not daycare to help them get back to work if they want to go back to work. The idea is work requirements to show eligibility for welfare. In other words, women would no longer have the choice of whether to stay home or not if they want to collect welfare. They will be forced to work a certain number of hours outside the house in order to qualify for welfare payments -and he is suggesting this for mothers who have children as young as 2. Again, if Romney felt his wife should not work outside the home and stay home to raise their children, why, as a policy matter does he think welfare mothers should not have the choice to stay home with their kids, too?

As a taxpayer, I'm not sure that I care whether my dollar is going to daycare or directly to the mother to enable her to stay home. Actually, I take that back. Given what quality daycare actually costs, it would actually be cheaper for taxpayers to allow the mother of very young children to simply stay home and take care of their children, and then at some point encourage a return to the workplace.

I don't think any mother should have to be forced to put their child into any type of daycare setting just to receive benefits. Certainly Mitt Romney would never have put any of his kids in daycare. But he obviously thinks that daycare is a perfectly good choice for other people.

And again, when taken as a whole, the Republican stance on birth control, abortion, Planned Parenthood, and welfare speaks volumes for the incredibly elitist attitude that they have. They want to take reproductive control away from women, and then deny them the right to stay home with their children when very young. Nice.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:57:44 PM

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Sorry dc, no can do.

Aside from the key question of whether candidates' families are fair game, I don't (as a diehard Democrat) see us gaining a single vote by attacking Ann Romney. And I see us potentially pissing off a lot of independent voters whom we need.

Food for thought: Hilary Rosen throws Mitt Romney a lifeline in 'war on women'

You know, I'm not actually criticizing Ann Romney's position. I agree with her that being a stay-at-home mom is a lot of work.

I would just like to see some policies from her husband that reflect her own position on motherhood and work. Is that really too much to ask??

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 4:59:39 PM

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At a private fundraiser last night Ann Romney reportedly referred to Hillary Rosen’s stay-at-home mom comment as an “early birthday present.” Rosen, who is a Democratic strategist, said that Ann Romney was not qualified to talk about economic issues facing women since she has never worked outside the home. Rosen later apologized after the Romney campaign expressed a great deal of public outrage over the quote. In her comments last night, Ann Romney seemed more like political strategist than a stay-at-home mom.

ok.. I expect that Ann Romney has done and still is doing a lot of required but unpaid work as the wife of her politician/Governor hubby (Just as Michele Obama does).. no one seems to value Ann Romneys unpaid political work it seems.. just sayin'..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:04:48 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

i happen to think he is very interesting.. that doesnt mean i would agree with everything he says or comes up with.. and I admire him for being head over heels in love with his wife and standing by her, helping her, supporting her thru having cancer and lifelong MS..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:08:50 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

i happen to think he is very interesting.. that doesnt mean i would agree with everything he says or comes up with.. and I admire him for being head over heels in love with his wife and standing by her, helping her, supporting her thru having cancer and lifelong MS..

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I was referring to the hilarious Bill Maher riff on the Dos Equis ads....which are awesome. He seems to be a good family man and love his wife. He does have a tiny issue with ambition and saying absolutely anything to get elected.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:25:03 PM

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And here is Mitt Romney in his interview with Diane Sawyer....

"Romney dismissed a question about whether he could relate to working people, saying Americans don't judge people based on class.
We don't divide America based upon success and wealth and other dimensions of that nature. We're one nation under God .... This is a time when people of different backgrounds and different experiences need to come together. I happen to believe that I'm by far the best qualified in this race between myself and President Obama," Romney told Sawyer.

Yes, of course, he doesn't judge based on class, unless a woman is on welfare and wants to stay home with her two-year old. Then she gets judged completely differently from his wife.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:36:06 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

i happen to think he is very interesting.. that doesnt mean i would agree with everything he says or comes up with.. and I admire him for being head over heels in love with his wife and standing by her, helping her, supporting her thru having cancer and lifelong MS..

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I was referring to the hilarious Bill Maher riff on the Dos Equis ads....which are awesome. He seems to be a good family man and love his wife. He does have a tiny issue with ambition and saying absolutely anything to get elected.

not just him,.. I think all politicians have an issue with ambition and saying anything to get elected.. that is exactly the definition.. Obama lied too, about certain election promises.. politics corrupts, as they say..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:36:34 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

Does he drink coors lite?

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:41:01 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

Does he drink coors lite?

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:44:26 PM

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She is married to the least interesting man in the world, give her a break..lol

i happen to think he is very interesting.. that doesnt mean i would agree with everything he says or comes up with.. and I admire him for being head over heels in love with his wife and standing by her, helping her, supporting her thru having cancer and lifelong MS..

(great! finally get to use that smiley.. )

I was referring to the hilarious Bill Maher riff on the Dos Equis ads....which are awesome. He seems to be a good family man and love his wife. He does have a tiny issue with ambition and saying absolutely anything to get elected.

not just him,.. I think all politicians have an issue with ambition and saying anything to get elected.. that is exactly the definition.. Obama lied too, about certain election promises.. politics corrupts, as they say..

That is a false equivalence. All politicians are ambitions certainly and use language politically, but Mitt Romney 2012 is unrecognizable to anyone familial with Mitt Romney 2006. The conservatives have a very legitimate worry about trusting him because he is chameleon like, not merely malleable. At heart I think like Obama he is a pragmatist. What exactly did Obama lie about?? he is extraordinarily honest by political standards.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 5:49:09 PM

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What exactly did Obama lie about?? he is extraordinarily honest by political standards.

You have to admit that isn't saying much.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/16/2012 6:15:04 PM

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You have to admit that isn't saying much.

No, but what it does say is basically appalling and chilling at the same time. He stands in pretty stark contrast to John Boehner if you ask me.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 5:31:29 AM

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What exactly did Obama lie about?? he is extraordinarily honest by political standards.

You have to admit that isn't saying much.

Actually it is saying a good deal. It would be strange to hold him to a different standard than his calling demands. I am not one of these simpletons who thinks the American people are wonderful and our political leaders are shit. (You know the stickers, I love America, I hate our government). Generally, I believe we get the leaders we deserve and that they often reflect America quite well. The American people are simply too ill informed and immature to be dealt with as honestly as we would think ideal and any politician wedded to complete honestly would not rise above dog catcher. It is a pandering business, but that is at least party the fault of those who demand to be pandered to.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 6:44:15 AM

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Obama lied too, about certain election promises

Were they lies or inability to execute due to an obstructionist Congress?

There are still 172 people being held at Guantanamo, Clutter said. Congress has pretty well tied the administration's hands, prohibiting prosecution in U.S. federal courts and making it extremely difficult to transfer them to other countries, according to Clutter.

See Mitt flip on stay at home moms at 6:30 http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-april-16-2012-jane-goodall

And Ann making the Republican Party Pro Choice at 6:00

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 7:06:04 AM

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Obama lied too, about certain election promises

Were they lies or inability to execute due to an obstructionist Congress?

There are still 172 people being held at Guantanamo, Clutter said. Congress has pretty well tied the administration's hands, prohibiting prosecution in U.S. federal courts and making it extremely difficult to transfer them to other countries, according to Clutter.

See Mitt flip on stay at home moms at 6:30 http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-april-16-2012-jane-goodall

And Ann making the Republican Party Pro Choice at 6:00

Thanks Kali for the Jon Stewart link. I think he's done a better job of making my point. Everyone should watch the first 8 minutes of Kali's link. I agree 100% with Jon Stewart. The Romneys are hypocrites of the ultimate order....

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 7:12:57 AM

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Here's what Hilary Rosen said:

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Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing.

Too bad she didn't phrase it this way:

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Guess what? His wife has actually never HAD to work outside the home a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 7:14:19 AM

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Obama lied too, about certain election promises

Were they lies or inability to execute due to an obstructionist Congress?

There are still 172 people being held at Guantanamo, Clutter said. Congress has pretty well tied the administration's hands, prohibiting prosecution in U.S. federal courts and making it extremely difficult to transfer them to other countries, according to Clutter.

See Mitt flip on stay at home moms at 6:30 http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/mon-april-16-2012-jane-goodall

And Ann making the Republican Party Pro Choice at 6:00

Nope.. the lie that most reflects that and which comes to my mind was an outright blatant deliberate lie.. when he was running for election he said he would regotiate nafta and if that wasnt to his liking then opt out of nafta.. it was a total blatant election lie.. when Canada expressed concern he told Canadian PM Harper on the sly that it wouldnt happen.. except that was inadverently made public.. you havent heard squat on opting out/regotiating nafta from Obama since and you never will and he has gone on to sign mucho more free trade deals, now talking about one with China.. I dont want nafta changed so imo, it being a lie is actually a good thing.. but it was still a deliberate lie to the voters of America..

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 7:21:56 AM

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But can we please, please, please focus on the merits (or lack thereof) of his policy prescription--providing daycare for welfare moms so they can work. To be honest, that's not the worst idea I've ever heard, particularly from a Republican.

And for heaven's sake, let's leave Mrs. Romney out of it.

I agree, it's a great idea. But, not if it's forced. He's set up a double standard where staying at home with kids was "work" for his wife, but if you're on welfare the only "real work" is outside the home.

Mitt brought Mrs. Romney into this by quoting her and using her as a standard for what women want from the economy.

I don't discount that she's a wife and mother. But, let's be honest it's a lot easier to be a stay at home mother with millions of dollars and a house full of staff, than it is to have 5 kids, work full time, and be middle class or lower, worrying about how you're going to feed your kids.

It's also a lot easier to make comments about mothers on public assistance, when you have no concept of what it's like to be there.

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RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... - 4/17/2012 7:29:10 AM

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Here's what Hilary Rosen said:

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Guess what? His wife has actually never worked a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing.

Too bad she didn't phrase it this way:

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Guess what? His wife has actually never HAD to work outside the home a day in her life. She's never really dealt with the kinds of economic issues that a majority of the women in this country are facing.

Yes, I agree that Hilary Rosen could have phrased her criticism better. She was trying to make a legitimate point about Ann Romney's suitability as economic advisor to the nation's women. And it is unfortunate that her choice of words have people misinterpreting her comment.

But I do think the ultimate fall out here will hurt Romney more than the Democrats. It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.

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