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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 5:10:31 PM   
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What reason would you play with a newbie with little to some knowledge of bdsm. How about some one with some experience and know how. Then we have the very experienced and knowledgeable. They may allready have a dom or sub. Now why do you play with them.


I have no reservations about playing with a newbie sub, as long as there is open communication and I have a good sense of where they want to go. Although I may be doing things that are quite tame by my standards, there is a lot of satisfaction and erotic energy in witnessing the intensity with which they explore areas of their submission for the first time. In effect, I am vicariously thrilled for them :)

Of course... that is my particular quality of Domination that allows me to enjoy that. I have encountered some here that profess that what the sub wants is of little or no consequence to them... Then, I presume, they would not get the same pleasure from the sub's experience.

I admit I am curious about the opinion of someone like that... about playing with a novice. Would they get anything from it?

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 5:14:46 PM   
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Oh, I think I'll always have fantasies about 'virgin Dommes'. Those women who've been vanilla all their lives, had secret desires to dominate, but suppressed them forever because they thought they'd never be realised. Hoh yes.

c, to each their own (pun intended)

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 5:29:42 PM   
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You want to get people thinking? As in... you think we don't think? Or we need to think?

I believe he is indirectly asking for advice about how to get people interested in playing with him, in real life.


Well I am not his target audience, but... I don't play with people that aren't forthright and can't honestly state what they want or want to know without pointing out that others need to... think about it.


I was asking others what they think because. I am in the middle looking out in wonder and a little compunction about who to play with. As I do not have person that is MY SUB. I do a lot of pick up scenes. I am sorry. but I am a better reader then a writer. I am just trying to see what people think about it.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 5:59:03 PM   
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Anytime you play with someone new, you have to learn all about them. You are new to each other. You don't know what triggers they have, or what things that they disliked with their ex, which they may like with you. And vice versa.

But I'm not in this for activities. I don't want to order up a medium light spanking. I need the connection with my partner much more than I need any activity.

I'm his first submissive. He was an experienced bondage top but that's different than a relationship with someone who wants to turn over control of her life to you. Beyond that, there are activities I'm interested in that his other bottoms and he never discussed. Because they had a bondage only relationship, not a full relationship.

And although he was experienced at damsel in distress bondage, he's had to learn about all other kinds of things. Is he new or experienced? Depends on the activity and the relationship.

And since it's the relationship that gets me, and not the list of activities, I have no problem when I've asked about something and have been told no because he doesn't feel comfortable doing it. Some of which he's then learned about and surprised me with once he feels comfortable doing, and some of which he's never going to do because the risk is too great for him.


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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 6:41:23 PM   
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I was kind of talk about people level of experience in THE SCENE. Also I agree that with a new partner. You have to learn what works with them.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 7:07:44 PM   
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I love being the demo bottom for a new top. Hell I love having an experienced top show the newer one the finer points of flogging, paddling, caning, how to use a sjambok..... Of course I only play with other folks at the dungeon parties since there's no penetrative sexual contact. I'm a sadomasochist and enjoy dishing out my share of pain if asked by new folks. I will talk with them throughout to see how they're faring.



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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/18/2012 8:02:31 PM   
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What reason would you play with a newbie with little to some knowledge of bdsm. How about some one with some experience and know how. Then we have the very experienced and knowledgeable. They may allready have a dom or sub. Now why do you play with them.

I am a top who does not bottom.  If I did bottom, I'd probably be even worse about the experience thing because that would be My ass on the line.  I'd be more likely to seek out the people who gave the classes than the people taking them.

As a top, I do play casually and I do play with folks who fit in all of the categories above.  I play with new bottoms because I can appreciate the fact that, even though they don't play as hard as Me, they are just starting out, and want a top who has skills in the things they would like to try.  Sometimes, they see something I have done to another person or a class that I've given, and that can give them the reassurance to trust the person with experience more.

Novice bottoms are fun to play with.  Usually by that time, they are finding where their pain tolerance is in certain areas, where they have their areas for growth, and if they have enough masochist in them to play a bit harder.  Very experience bottoms are just plain great because they are excellent at giving energy back to the top, know themselves well, and are generally very good about their body language.

I currently play with two people regularly who belong to somebody else.  One is a couple where I am teaching her to top, so both of us play with her submissive.  The other is a Dom who has a sub of his own, but he won't bottom to anybody else but Me.


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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 4:08:47 AM   
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I would have no issue taking on a newbie. My only constraint now is what my other half also desires. I have worked with new Doms though not too many new Dommes. I have always explained those who are new at being a Dom that it's better to start off at the lighter end and learn before advancing. This of course is just my opinion...by going this method you can practice easier activities and gain more perfection. I have sat at parties with newer Doms letting them practice how to bind someone..but it might only be working with the legs or just the arms. I have let new Doms flog me in the past but they had to start light and learn how to control the flogger. In all of these cases there were always others in the group helping. When on the receiving end you can't see what they are doing so you have to have a partner who is experienced help as well. When I have worked with new Doms in the past I always made sure they understood I was helping them with basic skills and that I was not trying to dictate what their ultimate style would be.

Newbies are excellent subjects to play with...knowing that you are helping guide them to be good members of the group. A newbie submissive can be great too as you can mold him or her to your desires much easier then if you have someone with years of training from another person.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 6:01:51 AM   
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I'll play with someone I want to play with, 'new' doesn't matter. I have way more experience than Master, yet I'm still here :P

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 7:44:04 AM   
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Would I play with a newbie?

Yes.

Why?

Because I choose to.

Of course, the same answers would apply to anyone who is not a newbie.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 8:14:04 AM   
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In general I play with someone with whom I feel a spark of connection. Newness doesn't matter to me. In a public scene there is a bit more leeway with trust because there is always someone around and I have no issues speaking up and making my feelings known.
If I were dominant though.. I mght have a few more restrictions. I have watched people's reputations hit the crapper because they THOUGHT their play on a new sub was going along fine. During the scene no bad reactions were noted, ect.. but the sub had other things to say.
In that case I would seriously consider not playing with someone new, because you have no way to judge their reactions, even if you thought it was favorable it may not be the case.
If I talked to them a while and felt we had a decent connection on what they wanted and I believed I could deliver it, I would take it very slowly and go light regardless of how much of a pain slut they said they were. I would rather have a reputation as someone who is too light than someone who was abusive.

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ORIGINAL: sirfox27

I was kind of talk about people level of experience in THE SCENE. Also I agree that with a new partner. You have to learn what works with them.



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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 1:18:43 PM   
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I think experience is somewhat overrated, particularly in a sub. What a dominant wants is pretty specific/personal, so no matter how much "training" an experienced sub has, they are still a newbie to that particular dominant.

As a dominant, there are far more ways experience can be helpful, particularly with different implements that require (or benefit from) practice to avoid injury, or specific methods of bondage, etc.

For me personally, experience is far less important than connection.


I think experience for a submissive can be valuable too. At first I thought you were using the term submissive to mean no S&M, but then you went on to discuss "different implements" so clearly you mean more.

If you are talking about submissives/slaves/bottoms I would make a distinction between experience and "training". Experience means they have experience in certain types of play/kinks/equipment etc. "Training" is an overused term that doesn't really mean anything in my books.

I have introduced Dominants to certain types of play that I had experience in. These Dominants would likely not have ventured there had I not had the confidence from prior experience to allow us to go there as a couple. Several of the Dominants who I know were actually introduced to the lifestyle by experienced submissive/bottoms.

In addition, when I have had experience with the same set of things that a Dominant//Top has experience in, it allows us sometimes to gain trust more quickly because we know what to discuss, what doesn't need to be discussed, etc. There is a different dynamic and it can be a very fun one.

So I strongly disagree with your statement that experience in a submissive is overrated.

To the OP: would I play with a newbie. Only if their interest in BDSM, and their interest in learning about BDSM was genuine enough that they were willing to take the time to learn. But my answer is yes.



Great points fucktoyprincess. Yes, I was using submissive to mean sub/slave/bottom. And I think you make some great points about the benefits of an experienced submissive/slave/bottom and what they can bring to the table.

I guess as a submissive myself, I would prefer a somewhat experienced Top at a dungeon or place where I didn't know them very well (casual play), simply to avoid injury (not that experience is a guarantee of anything, but it's a place I'd start). I'd consider an inexperienced Top, as long as we limited the activities in this way. Overall, I'd still find an experienced Top more appealing, and (personal gut feeling) an inexperienced Top would need to show me that they knew enough for me to feel comfortable submitting.

I think you are absolutely right that there is value to an experienced submissive as well. I don't mean to say there is no value, only that I don't place a HUGE weight on that. My family is currently looking for a submissive to add to the fold, and we are not overly concerned with experience--we are far more concerned with connection, and we can work with experience (either way).

So I guess in direct answer to the OP, thinking of "casual play" I'd be less likely to play with someone inexperienced.

Regarding who I add to my life on a long-term basis, experience is almost irrelevant to me. Experienced bottoms can help guide inexperienced Tops and vice versa, and the inexperienced (I believe) can find their way together, ideally with guidance from other informational sources.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 3:38:00 PM   
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What reason would you play with a newbie with little to some knowledge of bdsm. How about some one with some experience and know how. Then we have the very experienced and knowledgeable. They may allready have a dom or sub. Now why do you play with them.



I play with everyone of different ranges of experience for one reason: I don't dislike them and we have an interest in common. I want to cut or pierce someone, they are nice folks who want cut or pierced.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 5:53:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sirfox27

What reason would you play with a newbie with little to some knowledge of bdsm. How about some one with some experience and know how. Then we have the very experienced and knowledgeable. They may allready have a dom or sub. Now why do you play with them.


Sorry, I have to leave the house soon for a long drive and cannot read this entire thread before posting a reply.

Some of us have a cherry picking kink, lol. Yep, that's me. I have enjoyed being the first one to blindfold, first to put some newbie in restraints, the first to flog...the first to do assplay. It is also hawt to make someone take BDSM from their world of dreams and feel safe to venture into r/t scenes. Making someone subspace for the first time... Oh. My. Gawd. *fans herself*

Not every newbie will do. Nobody who behaves like some dog trying to hump my leg in spite of my efforts to kick it away would ever interest me, lol. Someone nervous and excited, willing to be led and will tell me everything I feel I need to know. In other words, need to pass gas while tied up? No problem...I'll have a small towel nearby to use as a muffler, lol.

Alas, my days of enjoying this kink are over. My slave has emotional scars that would be ripped wide open if I enjoyed a newbie even for light, casual play during a play party. It's not worth the price that would have to be paid.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/19/2012 5:56:23 PM   
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I'm still on the greener side of many of the things that I find interesting, so someone who's new wouldn't be an issue. I'm looking to take things slow and experiment A LOT, so as long as there's no "noob frenzy" pushing them to go super fast and hard, it'd probably be somewhat preferable :)

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/20/2012 4:15:03 AM   
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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/20/2012 11:26:03 AM   
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When i first met the guy who is now considering me to be his sub, it was at a playparty and he was starting out as a Top. He had been in the scene for a couple of years
before that, but as a sub because he was too shy to identify as Dom. So he was starting out on the other side, and the DM got both of us together, and asked me if i'd be willing to
bottom for him in a little spanking session. He said that he thought i was a good person to ask because i'm a good player, and i'm able to give tips and feedback. And i had
talking a bit to this guy before the DM asked me this, and i thought he was nice so i accepted. It was a really nice session! I enjoyed mentoring him throught it.

Anyway so why did i accept? I liked the guy, and i trusted the DM, i knew they were friends so i wasn't worried.

There was another occasion where this happened again with another guy, who was also nice, and so i happily did it again. I guess i just need to like the person
and if there wasn't a DM to reassure me about a guy, i guess i'd just need to take a bit of time to talk with him, get to know him a bit, what he wants to try, etc.

same thing that i would do with an experienced player, lol

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/20/2012 1:57:37 PM   
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I've worked too hard on myself to let someone learn on me. I don't want to bear their mistakes.

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/20/2012 2:13:49 PM   
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I "play" with people I think I'm going to get along with and have something they or I want to learn from each other, but as far as accessories go, I'm always clear about the experience I have and let them decide what to allow me to use. I don't like bodily injury no more than the s-type does

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RE: would you play with a newbie? - 4/22/2012 3:44:22 AM   
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I happen to like newbies. As a matter of fact I would say that is one of my kinks. Bringing their fantasy into reality. I also enjoy the fact that I know how to guide them into it without making it a scary place where they would never venture again because of a bad experience. There is something to be said about breaking a newbie in. It is a big turn on for me.

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