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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 9:46:27 AM   
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In my religion, (I'm a Christian, but I don't claim to believe the same thing as every other Christian) we believe that love is a decision, and an action, not a feeling. The idea that love is a feeling is what drives the divorce rate. If love is a feeling, one morning you might wake up and not feel it any more. If love is a decision, you're in it for the long haul, for, as the vows say, better or worse. Do Christains get divorced? Yes, yes they do - and over the whole of Christianity, not even in smaller numbers. But in churches simular to mine, in much smaller numbers, though it does still happen.

It would be interesting if marriage theripists could relate this experiment to a treatment to have their clients fall back in love with one another.


One concept from the catholic church, which is good in theory but doesn't seem the make any difference the way they do it, is pre-marital counseling.

I've often said that it should be more difficult and expensive to GET married than to get divorced.

Even I enjoy the occasional rom-com, but they, as well as the novels, are just unrealistic.

I cannot even imagine the number of times G.D. and I, both individually and together have probably had the "what the fuck was I thinking with I married him/her?!?!?" but yanno, when we decided to do it, I threatened him there would be no divorce. No way, no how, not EVER. With a wicked glint in my eye that was dead serious I said "A funeral maybe, but no divorce!" It's just never been an option.

Whatever comes up and obviously, there's been some seriously fucked up shit come up, we figure out a way to make it all work. The resolution is never ever about what I want, screw the consequences or visa versa, it's about what is best for the whole. Sure there have been some serious door slamming bellowing matches. He is a pouter and can go days without saying nary a word. I blow up, speak my mind (imagine that) and once I am done, I am over it. He and I are like Felix and Oscar of the Odd Couple in many ways. Utterly at odds in some pretty serious ways. But we fucking make it work regardless of how pretty the process is.

Our story would never make a good, romantic love story, but it makes a damned good life.

Thinking about it, what we've created is the foundation/rock/axle, for the lives of quite a lot of other people.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 10:06:05 AM   
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This might be all it takes to get people "on the path of falling in love", in the sense that I do agree with those who make the distinction between infatuation, and deep rooted love. I do think deep rooted love can only necessarily occur with two people who have been together a considerable length of time.

But going back to the experiment. I do think this is probably all it takes. But here is the thing. How many of us reveal intimate details about ourselves with just anyone? It takes me a long time to open up to someone. And how many of us will stare into someone's eyes who we don't already know, and are already attracted to. In other words, the conditions of this experiment are setting up two things, one emotional, and one physical, which would never occur with a complete stranger right away. And it would NEVER occur with someone you were not attracted to to begin with.

I think the more interesting question is what causes us to feel comfortable opening up to someone. What causes true physical intimacy like staring into each other's eyes (true physical intimacy has very little to do with sex in my book). And once we start trying to answer those questions we are back to the original issue of not everyone is going to open up to everyone else. It requires many things to be present. I would still say two people truly falling (and staying) in love, is one of life's small mysteries and miracles.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 11:26:47 AM   
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I want to know the formula for turning that whole thing OFF, permanently. You can PM me, if you know. Kthx.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 11:28:52 AM   
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To whom that they dont believe in LOVE....

Watch the Vow..... not The Muppets.... Movie called... (the Vow)....

I am not finished with it yet.... but it seems ..... LOVE....ly

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 11:29:50 AM   
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Sweet Ash, that is the kind of thing that I run from with all the force in my soul. The idea is a very bitter one for me, as I am being reminded.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 11:33:32 AM   
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actually I find it SoFuckinRomantic....

a husband... try to make his wife fall in love with him again.... after her "Amnesia"

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 11:42:02 AM   
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Romance is onlt good when it"s reciprocated, hon.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 12:33:06 PM   
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I didn't know that was what that movie was about. I read a book similar to that a long time ago, except is was the husband who had amnesia. Good book, now I want to see The Vow.

In response to the OP, this is a good topic. I feel that making a relationship work, is work. REAL WORK. I think people do not hold the same values as they did back in the day, say when My grandparents were alive. The whole for better or worse bit should mean something. The point of Me saying all that was, that when a relationship is only as strong as the dedicated partners in it. So the falling in love part, if indeed it is love, is easy. It's staying in love that is the trick. I think people want to be in love so bad they will force it out of themselves. You can't make a circle fit into a square.

Edited to fix capitalization..pup was eating My hands off.


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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 1:26:37 PM   
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You can't make a circle fit into a square.


yes you can,....


I dont really think, that "So the falling in love part, if indeed it is love, is easy. It's staying in love that is the trick"

just because, when you find someone, that understand you.. Accept you as who you are.. you might love the "100.000 little mistake that he is all about" & foucus on what he good at.....



I think the hard part is, finding someone.. to fall in love with..


ETA: after seeing "the Vow"... If I saw him right now,... I would punch him in the face.
he did gave up on her,

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 2:12:15 PM   
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Well yes, finding the right one is hard. I do believe in the soul mate theory, so for someone like Me, who believes in that, it's harder to find the right one. But there is someone out there for everyone. But still I stand by My statement that it takes hard work to maintain happiness and love in the relationship.

Ah and your circle fit in your square, but there are still the corners...point was that you shouldn't force what doesn't fit. You know how some people want love so bad that they settle for anything and hope it gets better..that was what I was referring to.

But I liked your pictures.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 3:07:49 PM   
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Master and I were platonic friends for three years before we dated. One night it just clicked. We've been together 12 years. Our 11th wedding anniversary is tomorrow.



Happy Anniversary ;)

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 3:15:09 PM   
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ETA: after seeing "the Vow"... If I saw him right now,... I would punch him in the face.
he did gave up on her,



No he didn't. He just changed his approach. Instead of trying to get her to remember he just started from scratch. If you watch all the way to the credits you'll see that they have now been married for years and have 2 daughters. And yes, that movie was written based on a true story.

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 4:38:54 PM   
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No he didn't. He just changed his approach. Instead of trying to get her to remember he just started from scratch. If you watch all the way to the credits you'll see that they have now been married for years and have 2 daughters. And yes, that movie was written based on a true story.

Lucifyre


did he or did he not devorce her...??? that dose not count for walking away?
when he must translate the words (for better & for worse... untill death do us part) to the extream...



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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:00:38 PM   
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Well yes, finding the right one is hard.


*cough*

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I do believe in the soul mate theory,


*cough*

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so for someone like Me, who believes in that, it's harder to find the right one. But there is someone out there for everyone.


*cough*

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But still I stand by My statement that it takes hard work to maintain happiness and love in the relationship.


ok .... but *cough*

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Ah and your circle fit in your square, but there are still the corners...point was that you shouldn't force what doesn't fit. You know how some people want love so bad that they settle for anything and hope it gets better..that was what I was referring to.

But I liked your pictures.


*cough*, sorry that one was from smoke & not trying to get your eyes over someone.....
Of course my circle fit in the square, but there are still the corners.... they are shaps made from paper or glass or wood or steel.... not human made of flesh & blood & above all that ..... feelings......

If I asked by a room-mate, to smoke out side i would..go out side for smoke , or smoke in my room & tell her/him to "GetTheFuckOut"
If I asked by (lets call her girlfrind) so smoke out side... i would will stop smoking.
However If she asked me nicley to pierce my (penis).. she would have to get a titanum piercing for that (yeah steel cock)...

a Person can Adapt.. Can Actually Love,... & can Do something very very good things in the name of Love or for loved one.. (sometimes bad things, other times stupid things, mostly ... crazy things).

bottom line,...................... **********drums play*************
I have been al day watching some boaring movies (one about the origine of the dildo invention) gah..
I would be very happy, if I had someone (open-minded hopfully) to watch them with.. *friday here is like sunday*.

PS 1: i did underline the word Open-minded : "someone that i dont have to explain what the word "Dildo" means"...
PS 2: i do like the (girly balls) kind of women who actually smoke, I find them ... most attractive.. with the right boots... you might wipe my melt of the floor..

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:09:15 PM   
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we figure out a way to make it all work. The resolution is never ever about what I want, screw the consequences or visa versa, it's about what is best for the whole.

thats what people used to do, way back when.. I remember (real) stories of a young guy meeting a girl, and a week later he is shipped off to war, they get married before he leaves even though they hardly know each other.. they dont see each for a couple of years but finally he comes home and they make it work.. They have a gaggle of kids, they spend the rest of their lives together, happy, in love.. unseparable until death..

Even with my ex's negatives, I tried for a long time to make my marriage work.. but it was like one hand clapping,.. it takes two.. (sigh).. I finally gave up.. Both people have to be committed to making it work.. The next guy has to be as committed as I am to making it work.. Love has to also be there tho, and lust too..

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:30:06 PM   
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No he didn't. He just changed his approach. Instead of trying to get her to remember he just started from scratch. If you watch all the way to the credits you'll see that they have now been married for years and have 2 daughters. And yes, that movie was written based on a true story.

Lucifyre


did he or did he not divorce her...??? that does not count for walking away?
when he must translate the words (for better & for worse... untill death do us part) to the extreme...




I don't remember if he did or not, I don't think he did though. In any case they ended up together in the end because he never did give up. So no, it doesn't count for walking away.
I'll go watch it again (it was good and worth a second look IMO)

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:31:30 PM   
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oh, and for those that want to watch it for free:

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/movies/2012/the_vow.html

I like sockshare, putlocker and filebox the best for links, there are pop ups but they load the best

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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:57:50 PM   
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My parents were among those who found a way to make it work for 75 years.  Consequently, my brother stayed in a marriage that made him miserable, because he wanted to be like them.  My level of martyrdom is quite a lot less, so when I realized my marriage was not filling my needs, or my ex's for that matter, on any level, I ended it.  Life is short, I would rather be happy.  And now I am.

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we figure out a way to make it all work. The resolution is never ever about what I want, screw the consequences or visa versa, it's about what is best for the whole.

thats what people used to do, way back when.. I remember (real) stories of a young guy meeting a girl, and a week later he is shipped off to war, they get married before he leaves even though they hardly know each other.. they dont see each for a couple of years but finally he comes home and they make it work.. They have a gaggle of kids, they spend the rest of their lives together, happy, in love.. unseparable until death..

Even with my ex's negatives, I tried for a long time to make my marriage work.. but it was like one hand clapping,.. it takes two.. (sigh).. I finally gave up.. Both people have to be committed to making it work.. The next guy has to be as committed as I am to making it work.. Love has to also be there tho, and lust too..


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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 5:59:21 PM   
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My parents were among those who found a way to make it work for 75 years.  Consequently, my brother stayed in a marriage that made him miserable, because he wanted to be like them.  My level of martyrdom is quite a lot less, so when I realized my marriage was not filling my needs, or my ex's for that matter, on any level, I ended it.  Life is short, I would rather be happy.  And now I am.

I also seem to remember many of my parents' friends, who stayed together, but didn't seem all that happy.  I think people had fewer options in those days.  Like I said, I would rather be happy.

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we figure out a way to make it all work. The resolution is never ever about what I want, screw the consequences or visa versa, it's about what is best for the whole.

thats what people used to do, way back when.. I remember (real) stories of a young guy meeting a girl, and a week later he is shipped off to war, they get married before he leaves even though they hardly know each other.. they dont see each for a couple of years but finally he comes home and they make it work.. They have a gaggle of kids, they spend the rest of their lives together, happy, in love.. unseparable until death..

Even with my ex's negatives, I tried for a long time to make my marriage work.. but it was like one hand clapping,.. it takes two.. (sigh).. I finally gave up.. Both people have to be committed to making it work.. The next guy has to be as committed as I am to making it work.. Love has to also be there tho, and lust too..



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RE: how to fall in love ....... - 4/20/2012 7:09:23 PM   
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My parents were among those who found a way to make it work for 75 years.  Consequently, my brother stayed in a marriage that made him miserable, because he wanted to be like them.  My level of martyrdom is quite a lot less, so when I realized my marriage was not filling my needs, or my ex's for that matter, on any level, I ended it.  Life is short, I would rather be happy.  And now I am.

I also seem to remember many of my parents' friends, who stayed together, but didn't seem all that happy.  I think people had fewer options in those days.  Like I said, I would rather be happy.

I agree with you.. I expect there were relationships way back then that didnt work also (so yes, miserable together or the D word),.. and likely people didnt talk about the ones that didnt make it, i think they used to call it not "airing your dirty linen".. I do admire the ones that did make it work and were happy, in love,.. the little old couple that walks along still holding hands, laugh together and still have that glint in their eyes for each other..

Imo, if you are going to be committed to making it work and all the hard work that takes, then it has to be worth making it work.. which (for me) means love, lust, happiness (for both).. I think if you find a person fairly compapatible then it can be easier to accomplish..

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