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misterraymond -> RE: sub space (5/11/2012 5:16:42 PM)
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Actually, subspace is something I can put a sub into easily, even if she's never been there before. There's no mystery about it; it's a trance state, just like meditation and hypnosis. If you've never been there, there's a period just before you go to sleep where you're completely relaxed, your mind is quiet, and your emotions are still. That's a trance state.
That being the case, I can put submissives into subspace in a variety of ways; I can use a simple hypnotic induction, which is good with girls who're a little nervous; I've been a Dom so long I get submissives pretty relaxed before I even let them come over to play, and then a simple spanking or even a look and a tone of voice will do it.
Why do I bother to put them into subspace? Easy - when they're deep in subspace, they're very relaxed and pliable, and it just feels great to me to be with them and get that energy from them. I can do things to them that they'd have a hard time dealing with; in deep subspace things feel very different; and I can get them focused on pleasing me and making me proud of them.
If I *don't* want them to be in subspace, there are a variety of ways to achieve that - for example I cane girl's bottoms in sets of five, and I make them count the strokes, or arch their butt up to receive each stroke without flinching. If I want them to be able to get into light subspace, I have them count "1,2,3,4,5, thank you Sir" and cane very rhythmically. If I want them to be there focused on the pain of each stroke, I make them count "1, thank you sir, 2, thank you sir, 3..." and so on, and do canestrokes with more random spacing, that is *not* rhythmically.
High Protocol M/s relationships like my friends and I practice make subspace easier to achieve also. One of the nice things about HP for submissives is that by the nature of the relationship, they know exactly what they're supposed to do and say a lot of the time; moreover, they get immediate feedback about *how* they're serving and performing, because in HP the Dom by necessity is paying attention to their performance.
Because of this, submissives tend to fall into light subspace within minutes of arriving at my House, usually before I've even touched them. That gives a really nice energy to the House; and it tends to get me into a light Domspace, which is nice.
Certain types of play can put subs into deep subspace, too. One vivid memory I have is of kitten, my slave some years ago. I'd been corresponding with her every night for a month, doing some basic training that's possible on the phone, before I flew out to spend a week with her. We'd been together three or four days, and I had her on her tiptoes with her wrists tied over her head. I'd been playing with her for a couple of hours, and I was whipping her with a 6' bullwhip when suddenly her feet slowly came up off the floor and she just hung there limp.
Now, kitten was five feet tall and weighed a hundred pounds, so she wasn't in immediate danger of wrist damage, and what had happened was that she had fallen into such a deep trance that her body had become absolutely bonelessly limp. If you've seen pictures of astronauts sleeping, you've noticed their bodies at rest naturally go into a fetal position, and that's why her feet had come off the floor.
I'd seen this happen before, with other submissives, or I'd have thought she'd fainted. She hadn't; she could have opened her eyes, or talked, she just didn't feel any reason to. It's a state where the mind is absolutely quiet, no thoughts or worries, completely at peace.
What I do is like aftercare; get her down, cuff her hands behind her back and her ankles together, wrap her in a blanket and hold her on my lap until she comes out of it, usually fifteen or twenty minutes later. Personally, that evokes an intense feeling of tenderness in me; It's hard for me to describe adequately just how wonderful it is.
The nicest part of it was that kitten was just blissed out, totally relaxed and centered for the next two or three days.
Indeed Warlock you understand the feeling , there is nothing like it, this Masters opinion differs as so far as, you can put a sub into sub space easily, even if she's never been there before. This Master can use hypnotic techniques, but this only serves to relax and can have an adverse effect, the woman slave, in Masters Dungeon would have an out of body experience, this is not what this Master desires. Master has three decades of experience and getting a woman into this condition is far from easy, it differs from women to women, and their labidos, and there ages, and if they are ovulating.
warlock , this Master also likes how you identify, what evokes an intense feeling of tenderness in you, you say - quote " It's hard for me to describe adequately just how wonderful it is." warlock this really is the most wonderful experience, the reason maybe that we as Masters, are engaged in this fraternity.
Master techniques are very different to that of your own, Master will session for several hours often very intent, and then engage a series of orgasms , multi orgasms and then move them into sub space, they are thus then spent. This Master has known his slaves to sleep twelve hours after such a session, and lose many pounds of weigth, your report was quite interesting and will serve to enlighten others who are interested in sub space.
MR
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