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RE: American Health Care - 4/27/2012 5:41:56 PM   
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I just put up a posting at Outrateous Requests to ask for help. The listing costs 14 a month to be featured on the front webpage of the site and it will be up in 24 to 48 hours.


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RE: American Health Care - 4/27/2012 5:52:42 PM   
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A previous poster posted that 98.6% of people in Massachusetts are happy with Romneycare, which is basically state provided healthcare. And he said it is not bankrupting the system. From what I've read, Romneycare is going way over projected costs.


Hilly addressed your other questions in your posts; i wanted to respond to the bolded - 98+% refers to the number of MA who are covered.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/03/romneycare-facts-and-falsehoods/

...Claims that the law is “bankrupting” the state are greatly exaggerated. Costs rose more quickly than expected in the first few years, but are now in line with what the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation had estimated.

...Public support has been high. One poll found that 68.5 percent of nonelderly adults supported the law in 2006; 67 percent still do.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/28/2012 5:37:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I may be wrong, but everything I read about Romney-care has been positive.

Now the question I have is why didnt congress just copy that for a national program?

I dont think that it will prevent outrageous copays, that is still on the doctors and hospitals.

Of course, with the rapid rise of Health related lawsuits, I suspect that the high prices in health care cover malpractice insurance among other things.

I had a followup with my vascular surgeon thursday and he noticed that the area of redness around the lower incision was larger than he liked and put me on an antibiotic. I told him that I have been scratching at the hair growing back near the incision and that would account for the redness.

His response was that he was not going to take any chances, and I could thank James Sokolove for being put on another medication.



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RE: American Health Care - 4/28/2012 6:55:27 PM   
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Now I am disabled and have medicare, I cant afford a supplement plan to take care of what medicare dont cover.

All in all it would have been cheaper for the clot not to have stopped in my leg, but gone to my heart and killed me. A cremation only costs about 4 grand.

Now, what the fuck is so great about american health care?


When it comes to health care, you were born in the wrong country. So was I. Best of luck.


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RE: American Health Care - 4/28/2012 7:14:21 PM   
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Funny thing about insurance, you have the co pays.

In two months I have run up almost 6000 dollars in co-pays and still have not got to the more serious problem.

I have had a ct scan that found a lesion in one of my kidneys that they suspect is cancer, blood clots that did not show up in an ultrasound in my right leg, had surgery on the right leg to take care of the clots, which included a femtib bypass and a second incision so they could get at two other blood clots.

I see a specialist about the kidney on May 1st.


Now I am disabled and have medicare, I cant afford a supplement plan to take care of what medicare dont cover.

All in all it would have been cheaper for the clot not to have stopped in my leg, but gone to my heart and killed me. A cremation only costs about 4 grand.

Now, what the fuck is so great about american health care?


That sucks.

Most of my competitors charge 50/50 on their health insurance. I pay 100%. I want my people healthy.

I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/28/2012 7:43:37 PM   
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Of course, with the rapid rise of Health related lawsuits, I suspect that the high prices in health care cover malpractice insurance among other things.


Not really TX has tort limits and Insurance lobbies give big to GOP, Tort reform increases profits no impact on cost
it's the profits. Profit and no bargaining position Dr's and Nurses get paid much more here and on top of that every layer from Hospital to Inssurer has a 15 percent profit built in and in Insurance thats on top of the army of claims deniers and high paid execs they are in the profit business not healthcare and private sector efficency is myth in this market. they are inefficent4 times the overhead of socialized medicine so, profit, waste, fee for service give us the most expensive inefficent healthcare sector in the world. it also is an anchor on manufacturing. An auto plant has to figuire twice the cost on medical compared to canada when looking where to build

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 4:13:51 AM   
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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 4:17:00 AM   
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my page asking for donations for medical expenses is here For those interested
Dude, I wish I could help a fellow Progressive, but I'm about $13K or so in meddebt myself.

Check out "ChipIn.com", I think it is.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 4:23:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		hippie, I can understand your problem. I never thought much of copays till now.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 5:10:16 AM   
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Of course, with the rapid rise of Health related lawsuits, I suspect that the high prices in health care cover malpractice insurance among other things.

...
His response was that he was not going to take any chances, and I could thank James Sokolove for being put on another medication.



This is a complete falsehood.
https://------/groups/1445/group_posts/209887 (insert FL's website name where the dashes are)

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 6:24:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Considering how many ads I see for the Sokolove law firm, it makes me wonder.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 10:26:17 AM   
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Some posters are saying there is no time limit per patient on medicare, and that private insurance allows less time per patient, etc. I don't know if this is true or not. but common sense can tell you most Doctor's offices are fairly crowded. At least in our area. If Doctors are working at a fairly full schedule now, and it costs $$$$ for a visit now, what will the wait times be if visits are free? Oh, I got a splinter, what the hell, its free let the Doctor get it out!

No matter what the "rules" say, we have a fixed amount of Doctors. And they seem to be fairly busy now. I don't see how we can expect a smooth and wait free system If we multiply the workload of doctors with the same amount of Doctors. I would assume socialized medicine will cut the payscales of Doctors, so less will be induced to go into medicine.

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 12:18:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it would make sense if it wasn't pure horseshit. Even under a national healtcare plan in communist china the doctors do not work for free.

Now, having said that, since sidewalks are free, the cement workers must be starving to death because they work for free, hah?   

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RE: American Health Care - 4/30/2012 2:11:21 PM   
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Some posters are saying there is no time limit per patient on medicare, and that private insurance allows less time per patient, etc. I don't know if this is true or not. but common sense can tell you most Doctor's offices are fairly crowded. At least in our area. If Doctors are working at a fairly full schedule now, and it costs $$$$ for a visit now, what will the wait times be if visits are free? Oh, I got a splinter, what the hell, its free let the Doctor get it out!

No matter what the "rules" say, we have a fixed amount of Doctors. And they seem to be fairly busy now. I don't see how we can expect a smooth and wait free system If we multiply the workload of doctors with the same amount of Doctors. I would assume socialized medicine will cut the payscales of Doctors, so less will be induced to go into medicine.

All valid points but not backed up by fact. You assume no co pays. Socilized medicine here has co pays. One thing we would have to change is our higher educationrape system that leaves them 300-400k to start. how come It costs so much more here than in Europe? . Even paying our Drs the same the difference in overhead 15% and profit 15% is an enormous extra burden on the private system. the biggest thing though is the metrics. if the outcomes are better isnt tha twhat matters and across the board they are. We do a bit better on some newer treatments but it's more than balanced out by the massive numbers who cant get old treatments let alone new. We also have issues with the types of Drs we have here because of the fee structure. specialists galore Family medicine not so much

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RE: American Health Care - 5/1/2012 4:28:12 AM   
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Some posters are saying there is no time limit per patient on medicare, and that private insurance allows less time per patient, etc. I don't know if this is true or not. but common sense can tell you most Doctor's offices are fairly crowded. At least in our area. If Doctors are working at a fairly full schedule now, and it costs $$$$ for a visit now, what will the wait times be if visits are free? Oh, I got a splinter, what the hell, its free let the Doctor get it out!

No matter what the "rules" say, we have a fixed amount of Doctors. And they seem to be fairly busy now. I don't see how we can expect a smooth and wait free system If we multiply the workload of doctors with the same amount of Doctors. I would assume socialized medicine will cut the payscales of Doctors, so less will be induced to go into medicine.


My observation is quite different here in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Doctor's officers are not over-crowded as some Republicans fear would happen. In fact, several companies have opened clinics with nurse practicaners(spelling?) on duty. CVS/Pharmacy's across the state have these clinics one can step into and get things checked out or advised to visit a hospital for further treatment. 'Splinters' are covered under most First Aid kits. Heck, one can just whip out their smartphone and google a 'how to treat a splinters' on the web. When in doubt, contact the hospital.

But I do get a chuckle every time I hear the 'fear card' being spoken on the subject of 'socialized medicine'. Its usually by folks with very little knowledge on what they are talking about (hence the fear of the unknown). Mass Health has been running for a few years now. If doctor's were getting their pay cut, SOMEONE in the commonwealth would have heard about it by now! Stuff like that doesnt stay 'off the radar' for very long. Those that go into medicine for the money usually dont last long in the profession (they 'flunk out' and become lawyers). One has to have a real passion for treating the injured, the ill, and yes...the dying with dignity, kindness and compassion. Next time you see your doctor, ask him or her why they decided on this career.

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RE: American Health Care - 5/1/2012 5:32:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		My primary care office is never over crowded and I live in texas, however the cardiovascular surgeon that did my recent operation always has a crowded office.

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RE: American Health Care - 5/1/2012 5:48:41 AM   
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RE: American Health Care - 5/1/2012 12:26:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		The urologist in Abilene is sending me to a specialist in dallas for a second opinion. Which means added expenses in travel as well as further tests possibly.

There are four options in dealing with the growth, removal of the kidney, or three other procedures that are less invasive.

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RE: American Health Care - 5/4/2012 6:14:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just found out that the specialist in Dallas is at University Of Texas Southwestern Medical Center and is one of the leading researchers in treating kidney cancers, so this may not cost me anything but travel.

Which brings up another point, why dont health care coverage in the states cover travel expenses? Is it covered in any other countries?

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RE: American Health Care - 5/4/2012 6:29:27 AM   
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http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/publications/ohip/northern.aspx
http://www.health.gov.nl.ca/health/mcp/travelassistance.html

This is what I found for Ontario and the UK, altho there may be other places. I know there are some worker covered compensation if you are injured, but each province here is different
I would think there is definitely some plans for the territories and way up north.
Just as an aside, the OECD and commonwealth fund just put out a profile of thirteen industrialised countries and health care costs/drugs, timing and other info.
Interesting stuff

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Fund-Reports/2011/Nov/International-Profiles-of-Health-Care-Systems-2011.aspx

You are in my thoughts Jeff

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