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thishereboi -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 11:16:45 AM)
quote: Commentary by CNN's Dean Obeidallah, which I agree with 110% Yes, I would have to agree with that one as well. Now why am I not surprised to find out the idiot is a birther as well.

thishereboi -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 11:18:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro So much for Freedom of Speech. I was stationed at Fort Stewart Georgia during the Carter Administration. You should have heard what the Officers thought of Carter...strange non of them were dismissed, Major, Lt Col, and Col. I guess they were not stupid enough to post their hate on the internet.

Moonhead -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 12:49:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail LOL, if it aint our old friend the broadcaster, alligator wrestler, educator and general inchoate. How you doing? They let you off the leash, huh? Another month, another account. [;)] You'd have thought the penny would have dropped by now that using the same picture and bad grammar constantly would be a bit of a tip to the mods that the last banning didn't stick, wouldn't you?

tazzygirl -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 2:15:00 PM)
~FR Freedom of Speech Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) prohibits commissioned officers from speaking or writing "contemptuous words" against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present. DOD Directive 1344.10 extends this prohibition to all active duty personnel, including enlisted. In fact, two PACAF enlisted people were recently handed nonjudicial punishment for repeatedly forwarding e-mails containing offensive material involving President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. SUBJECT: Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces References: (a) DoD Directive 1344.10, “Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces on Active Duty,” August 2, 2004 (hereby canceled) (b) Sections 973, 888, 101, and Chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (c) DoD Instruction 1334.1, “Wearing of the Uniform,” October 26, 2005 (d) Section 441a of title 2, United States Code (e) through (i), see Enclosure 1 4. POLICY It is DoD policy to encourage members of the Armed Forces (hereafter referred to as “members”) (including members on active duty, members of the Reserve Components not on active duty, members of the National Guard even when in a non-Federal status, and retired members) to carry out the obligations of citizenship. In keeping with the traditional concept that members on active duty should not engage in partisan political activity, and that members not on active duty should avoid inferences that their political activities imply or appear to imply official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement, the following policy shall apply: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf Might do some good for some people to read this.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 6:21:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro So much for Freedom of Speech. I was stationed at Fort Stewart Georgia during the Carter Administration. You should have heard what the Officers thought of Carter...strange non of them were dismissed, Major, Lt Col, and Col. Fuck freedom of Speech. He gave that up when he signed on. The guy signed up. He said he'd salute the man in charge. I don't give a shit if you like Obama or not (and I most assuredly do not), but he's the gawdamn Prez. Herein endeth the lesson.

Real0ne -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 7:45:22 PM)
yeh they make you take an oath and swear that you will give up all your rights and become a state robot. seig! If he gets the right lawyer he has a kick ass case from what I can see.

erieangel -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 8:00:23 PM)
How does he have a case? He signed a contract that he would follow the rules, the rules state that he would not disparage his commander in chief and that he would follow order. He disparaged his commander and he openly stated that he would not follow orders. For that he fired. So where does he have a case now?

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/26/2012 10:02:23 PM)
So what sort of 'Other Than Honorable Discharge' did he get? The three I remember from my days in the Navy (back when the world was in black and white) were Undesirable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Any current/recent military know which they use for people inciting mutiny and disloyalty? [sm=jerry.gif]

OsideGirl -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 7:18:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne If he gets the right lawyer he has a kick ass case from what I can see. Nope. Freedom of speech does not apply to employment. Especially when you've signed a contract which outlines your code of conduct. It only means that you cannot be persecuted for your speech.

kdsub -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 7:59:40 AM)
Do you see how this thread, and this type of thread, is turning and turns into the usual conservative liberal camps? It is always frustrating to see how shallow people are when they forget their so called moral base to match their political views. Damn he was wrong…deserved what he got…but so was the damn Marlins coach…and all other loud mouths that think freedom of speech goes without repercussions and that includes some of the occupy ding bats. Please folks be consistent and forget your political stance. ps... not you in particular Owner59 you are pretty consistent but in general. Butch

Hillwilliam -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 8:01:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IchBinFotograf First off I am a conservative. I am NOT a leftist/socialist/progressive/communist or whatever you obama mania lovers are. Having said that, if the Marine wants to disparage his commander in chief, he should resign. THEN do it. Or at least do the criticism in private so we don't know who he is. AZBM has a good point. (Yeah, I know, the world is gonna cave in)

LaTigresse -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 8:07:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Do you see how this thread, and this type of thread, is turning into the usual conservative liberal camps? It is always frustrating to see how shallow people are when they forget their so called moral base to match their political views. Damn he was wrong…deserved what he got…but so was the damn Marlins coach…and all other loud mouths that think freedom of speech goes without repercussions and that includes some of the occupy ding bats. Please folks be consistent and forget your political stance. ps... not you in particular Owner59 you are pretty consistent but in general. Butch I actually see more people agreeing, that generally do not agree politically. As HW just said, AZBM has a good point. When you sign up for SOME jobs, you are agreeing to more than just a paycheck. To me, it wouldn't matter if the soldier was a liberal trashing GW, whom I couldn't stand and did plenty of trashing on my own. As a soldier, with the president as your commander, there is a certain expectation of behaviour. If you cannot maintain that expectation then you need to get your ass out of that 'job'. Then trash talk the commander in chief allllllllllllllllllll you want. Just like we civilians do. (my only suggestion is to avoid any hint of bodily harm......right Nug?......)

kdsub -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 8:15:26 AM)
quote: I actually see more people agreeing, that generally do not agree politically Maybe you are right...I am just as guilty as the next person at reading meaning into words by posters because of their past behaviors. Guilty as charged I guess. Butch

DomKen -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 9:12:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking So what sort of 'Other Than Honorable Discharge' did he get? The three I remember from my days in the Navy (back when the world was in black and white) were Undesirable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Any current/recent military know which they use for people inciting mutiny and disloyalty? [sm=jerry.gif] Pretty sure he got a General Discharge Under Other Than Honorable Conditions. From the news article it seems like he got NJP rather than a Court-Martial and I think a General Discharge UOTH is the worst discharge you can get from NJP.

subspaceseven -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 10:17:50 AM)
You seem to ignore the fact that he was given several chances to stop by all his commanding officers, which he refused to do. I served back in the 70's and 80's, even then you where not allowed to publicly speak against the President, so it is not like it's a new rule. As for the freedom of speech, he exercised his freedom of speech, there are however consequences for what you say even in public life, not just the military. Being in the ARMED FORCES the price you pay is being discharged, he knew that and he accepted that when he continued to post he would not follow the Presidents orders, then changed it to unlawful orders.

Nosathro -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 11:37:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro So much for Freedom of Speech. I was stationed at Fort Stewart Georgia during the Carter Administration. You should have heard what the Officers thought of Carter...strange non of them were dismissed, Major, Lt Col, and Col. I guess they were not stupid enough to post their hate on the internet. Free Speech is Free Speech it is not restriced if you use Facebook.

Nosathro -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 11:41:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekkie quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro So much for Freedom of Speech. I was stationed at Fort Stewart Georgia during the Carter Administration. You should have heard what the Officers thought of Carter...strange non of them were dismissed, Major, Lt Col, and Col. The rule now (don't know if it was the rule, then) is that military personnel have freedom of speech when they aren't representing the armed forces. For example, they're allowed to march in political rallys. But not to do so in uniform. If they aren't in uniform, then they're a citizen. If they're in uniform, then it's like they're saying that the uniform endorses (whatever the rally is about). Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper, and sign it Joe Blow, and you're good. Write the exact same letter, and sign it Sgt Joe Blow, USMC, and you can, technically, face court martial. I've been told, by current military personnel, that these rules are part of UCMJ (technically, you can be court martialed for them), and that personnel are briefed on these rules, and what's allowed and what isn't. Face Book is privately owned, not part of the Military. To quote General George Washington "When we asume the soldier, we never set aside the Citizen". This was on a poster the Pentagon had printed and distrubited during the American Bicentenial.

Nosathro -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 11:45:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR Freedom of Speech Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) prohibits commissioned officers from speaking or writing "contemptuous words" against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present. DOD Directive 1344.10 extends this prohibition to all active duty personnel, including enlisted. In fact, two PACAF enlisted people were recently handed nonjudicial punishment for repeatedly forwarding e-mails containing offensive material involving President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. SUBJECT: Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces References: (a) DoD Directive 1344.10, “Political Activities by Members of the Armed Forces on Active Duty,” August 2, 2004 (hereby canceled) (b) Sections 973, 888, 101, and Chapter 47 of title 10, United States Code (c) DoD Instruction 1334.1, “Wearing of the Uniform,” October 26, 2005 (d) Section 441a of title 2, United States Code (e) through (i), see Enclosure 1 4. POLICY It is DoD policy to encourage members of the Armed Forces (hereafter referred to as “members”) (including members on active duty, members of the Reserve Components not on active duty, members of the National Guard even when in a non-Federal status, and retired members) to carry out the obligations of citizenship. In keeping with the traditional concept that members on active duty should not engage in partisan political activity, and that members not on active duty should avoid inferences that their political activities imply or appear to imply official sponsorship, approval, or endorsement, the following policy shall apply: http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/134410p.pdf Might do some good for some people to read this. First off he was not involved in partisan politicats nor was there any appearence that this was some official statement, just his opinion.

LaTigresse -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 11:46:37 AM)
I don't think you have a very sound grasp of the nature of the internet or the military. Collarme is also privately owned but I bet a year's worth of pay that if I wrote something on here, threatening the President, I would get a visit. If I was a soldier, and displaying my identity in any way, shape or form, anything I wrote on here could be used against me and my career. Especially if it was a negative statement directed towards the leadership I was sworn to honour and serve under. If I was a smart soldier I wouldn't even create a profile on here, showing my identity as a soldier in the armed forces.

Lucylastic -> RE: Good riddance to bad rubbish - Marine thrown out, now he's a civilian (4/27/2012 11:50:22 AM)
sheesh.... talk about [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/BeatingADeadHorseAni.gif[/image]

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