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MasterSlaveLA -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 6:54:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published in 2000 a study on dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) that covered the years 1979-1998. The study found reports of 327 people killed by dogs over the 20-year period. Using newspaper articles, the CDC was able to obtain breed "identifications" for 238 of the 327 cases of fatal dog attacks; of which "pit bull terrier" or mixes thereof were reportedly involved in 76 cases. I know you were "playing devil's advocate", but I wanted to respond to the above. Noting the bolded part above, it's very clear where the HUGE FLAW in said alleged "study" comes from. Hmmm, dog fighting has significantly increased... Pit Bulls have become the "breed" of choice of said fighting... there's been an explosion in Pit Bull breeding (for fighting)... and the media will report on near every damn time a Pit Bull ever bites -- specifically citing a "Pit Bull" was involved, while frequently not citing the breed if another dog bites. Doesn't take a rocket-scientist to put two-and-two together here. Quite simply, Pit Bulls are NOT the monsters so many completely fucking ignorant people make them out to be: 1) According to the American Temperament Test Society, Pit Bulls score 86.8% on the Temperament scale, and DogCentral.com states the following of Pit Bulls: "The American Pit Bull Terrier, too, is actually a very friendly animal. As a matter of fact, The American Temperament Test Society dubs it one of the sweetest breeds of all! The Pit Bull has received bad press, but -- aside from digging holes in your backyard -- this breed can be a big bundle of joy." http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/ http://www.dogs-central.com/choosing-a-dog.html 2) "John Goodwin, an expert on animal fighting with the Humane Society, says there are an estimated 40,000 professional dogfighters in the United States, involved in putting on fights and buying and selling fighting dogs. Watch what goes on at a high-stakes dog fight But, Goodwin adds, there could be as many as 100,000 additional people involved in "streetfighting" -- informal dogfighting, often involving young people in gangs. "It's far more pervasive than people think and it's definitely been on the upswing in the past five to 10 years," he told CNN. See how dogfighters operate and have their own language Statistics from animal shelters give another indicator of the rise in dogfighting, Goodwin said. Fifteen years ago, 2 to 3 percent of the dogs coming into animal shelters were pit bulls; now, he said, pit bulls make up about a third. At one shelter in Jersey City, New Jersey, Goodwin said, the figure is 65 percent, with 20 percent of them showing the scars that indicate they have been fighting dogs. A database run by animal advocacy group Pet-abuse.com, which collects reports of animal abuse, shows reports of dogfighting cases increased from 16 in 2000 to 127 in 2006." http://articles.cnn.com/2007-07-18/us/dog.fighting_1_illegal-blood-sport-underground-dogfighting-magazines-animal-shelters?_s=PM:US

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 6:55:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe Nah.... they're not dangerous. No, they're absolutely fucking not!!!

Owner59 -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 6:59:36 PM)
There`s nothing different with a pit than any other dog.I`ve owned pits and pit-mixes. When I was volunteering at my town`s shelter,there was a golden retriever who bit 4 people pretty badly before being put down.This was during the years pits were getting a bad rep. Because the golden was a "safe" breed.....it was allowed to bite a lot of people. I once saw a Dalmatian tug the flesh and hair off the back of child`s head before being wrestled off her.Right out of the blue, with no prior problems,the Dalmatian just went nuts.Any dog can be dangerous. The stats posted reflect on the owners and not the animals,IMHO. As well,pits are the victim of being the "bad" dog......so a lot of people abuse them for thugging,dog fighting and the like......and there`s more of them so there are more incidents with pits.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:09:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA Hands down... Pit Bulls are my absolute favorite breed of dog and would actively seek out a Pitty rescue over any other breed. Yeah, well if you live in or ever move to Maryland with your two pitbulls and they bite someone or attack another person's pet, you will be held liable. What a lot of people don't seem to get, is that the Highest Court in the State of Maryland, just redefined Maryland Common Law to target one specific breed of dog. There is a bigger picture here.... There have been legislative efforts all over the United States, especially in large urban areas to out law pitbulls or make the owners liable for the actions of their pet. AND those efforts have been defeated almost in total, everywhere they have been attempted. BUT NOW.... again, the Highest Court in the State of Maryland, just redefined Maryland Common Law.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:24:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy There have been legislative efforts all over the United States... For further reading ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation#United_States Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) is bullshit... Blame the Deed -- Not the Breed.

Owner59 -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:29:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA Hands down... Pit Bulls are my absolute favorite breed of dog and would actively seek out a Pitty rescue over any other breed. Yeah, well if you live in or ever move to Maryland with your two pitbulls and they bite someone or attack another person's pet, you will be held liable. What a lot of people don't seem to get, is that the Highest Court in the State of Maryland, just redefined Maryland Common Law to target one specific breed of dog. There is a bigger picture here.... There have been legislative efforts all over the United States, especially in large urban areas to out law pitbulls or make the owners liable for the actions of their pet. AND those efforts have been defeated almost in total, everywhere they have been attempted. BUT NOW.... again, the Highest Court in the State of Maryland, just redefined Maryland Common Law. You say "Highest Court in the State of Maryland" like that has some sort of particular weight. Not sure how you run things in your neck of the woods but in Jersey,one is liable for injuries caused by any breed of dog,regardless.

TNDommeK -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:31:34 PM)
Soft bonds, the only other name for them I have ever heard was a Staffashire terrier. Being that there is a select few that was bred there and they try to separate their dogs from pits, but they are the same. LizD, I have one of those "damn dogs" and she is the sweetest fatest baby ever in the world. Just like anything else, if given enough bad raps, it will look bad as well. Now as far as the new law, let's take a different example. Let's say I want to rent a home. I have two well paying jobs, never late on rent. Now I can't rent this home because of a certain breed of dog I have? That sounds a bit retarded to Me. However, I do understand the people they are trying to stop with this law, unfortunately others have to suffer as well.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:33:06 PM)
I agree with MasterslaveLA on something. The world has turned upside down.

Owner59 -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:37:09 PM)
Me too but don`t tell him.......his head might swell up.[:D]

SoftBonds -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:50:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published in 2000 a study on dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) that covered the years 1979-1998. The study found reports of 327 people killed by dogs over the 20-year period. Using newspaper articles, the CDC was able to obtain breed "identifications" for 238 of the 327 cases of fatal dog attacks; of which "pit bull terrier" or mixes thereof were reportedly involved in 76 cases. I know you were "playing devil's advocate", but I wanted to respond to the above. Noting the bolded part above, it's very clear where the HUGE FLAW in said alleged "study" comes from. Hmmm, dog fighting has significantly increased... Pit Bulls have become the "breed" of choice of said fighting... there's been an explosion in Pit Bull breeding (for fighting)... and the media will report on near every damn time a Pit Bull ever bites -- specifically citing a "Pit Bull" was involved, while frequently not citing the breed if another dog bites. Doesn't take a rocket-scientist to put two-and-two together here. Quite simply, Pit Bulls are NOT the monsters so many completely fucking ignorant people make them out to be: Not disputing the info you posted, but regarding what you were saying about newspapers, I'm pretty sure any death by dog is a news story. In Alaska, everyone knows not to feed the moose, don't get near the moose, etc. Whenever someone got stomped to death by moose, it got in the news. Why, cause like a murder, it was an "unnatural death." (Yes, getting killed by nature is an unnatural death, don't blame me for the definition). As for whether the newspapers were less likely to report breed if it wasn't a pitt bull, I will grant you that, however, that means 1/4th of all dogs that killed folks during those years were pitts, not 1/3rd. Still a pretty big number.

SoftBonds -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:53:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Soft bonds, the only other name for them I have ever heard was a Staffashire terrier. Being that there is a select few that was bred there and they try to separate their dogs from pits, but they are the same. LizD, I have one of those "damn dogs" and she is the sweetest fatest baby ever in the world. Just like anything else, if given enough bad raps, it will look bad as well. Now as far as the new law, let's take a different example. Let's say I want to rent a home. I have two well paying jobs, never late on rent. Now I can't rent this home because of a certain breed of dog I have? That sounds a bit retarded to Me. However, I do understand the people they are trying to stop with this law, unfortunately others have to suffer as well. Ahh, that was the name. Just get your dog certified as a Staffashire and you are set. BTW, someone mentioned Dalmatians. Stay away from them if possible, they are so over-bred it isn't even funny, and they are nuts! If you are lucky they settle down after a year or two (or 6 in my Dal's case), but till then they are destructive and way to energetic.

Owner59 -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 7:56:00 PM)
I`m not clear on if the "studies" considered that more people had pits over other breeds,therefore more pit related problems.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 8:05:11 PM)
Plus Dalmations have health issues, like deafness, prevalent in the breed. And they shed. A lot of breeds have rage syndrome, too. I had a friend whose Briard tore his face off. Any dog can be vicious, it is a management problem, in most cases. quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Soft bonds, the only other name for them I have ever heard was a Staffashire terrier. Being that there is a select few that was bred there and they try to separate their dogs from pits, but they are the same. LizD, I have one of those "damn dogs" and she is the sweetest fatest baby ever in the world. Just like anything else, if given enough bad raps, it will look bad as well. Now as far as the new law, let's take a different example. Let's say I want to rent a home. I have two well paying jobs, never late on rent. Now I can't rent this home because of a certain breed of dog I have? That sounds a bit retarded to Me. However, I do understand the people they are trying to stop with this law, unfortunately others have to suffer as well. Ahh, that was the name. Just get your dog certified as a Staffashire and you are set. BTW, someone mentioned Dalmatians. Stay away from them if possible, they are so over-bred it isn't even funny, and they are nuts! If you are lucky they settle down after a year or two (or 6 in my Dal's case), but till then they are destructive and way to energetic.

SoftBonds -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 8:05:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I`m not clear on if the "studies" considered that more people had pits over other breeds,therefore more pit related problems. You know, it is funny, I was in the "blame the owner, not the breed," camp until I started researching to try to comment intelligently on this thread... http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php 22 out of 31 fatal dog attacks in 2011 were pitt bulls. Pitt bulls are 5% of the US dog population. Nuff said? ETA I still think an owner is mostly to blame for deaths by dog, I like big dogs, and I don't know if the 5% is skewed by large numbers of 5lb dogs that fit in purses, if so then it might be that pitts do 75% of the killing and are 25% of the dogs big enough to kill. Still kinda scary. Also, it is possible that other dogs are just as likely to attack, but for various reasons less likely to kill? Also, look at the rest of the site, it isn't just a "anti-pittbull," site as far as I can tell...

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/27/2012 11:23:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds 22 out of 31 fatal dog attacks in 2011 were pitt bulls. Pitt bulls are 5% of the US dog population. Nuff said? No, not even close to "nuff said". Again, you're talking about a single breed, that's seen an EXPLOSION in both breeding, and specific training for... <drum roll>... fighting/viscious behavior -- and people wonder why the stats are higher?!! If that ain't a great, big, fat, "DUH?!!", then I don't know what is?!! To draw a parallel, there are more murders in large city ghettos, right?!! So is it just the existence of a ghetto that results in higher murder rates, or the circumstances of the ghetto that results in higher murder rates?!! Obviously it's the CIRCUMSTANCES, and it's the SAME thing with Pit Bulls. Just because a dog is a Pit Bull, it doesn't mean it's going to bite or be viscious -- it's the CIRCUMSTANCES resulting from thousands upon thousands of PEOPLE both BREEDING and TRAINING thousands upon thousands to be this way that results in these higher statistics. If the same efforts by these scum-bag dog-fighting assholes was put into German Shepherds, for example, you'd see the statistics for Pit Bulls go down, and the statistics for German Shepherds go up!!! Anyone who actually owns a Pit Bull KNOWS why these dogs have been chosen for fighting... it's not because they're strong (other breeds are just as strong), it's because they're SO SMART... SO LOYAL... AND TRY SO HARD TO PLEASE THEIR OWNERS that they're easily trained to be what their owner wants them to be. If their owner wants them to be mean, they'll be mean... if their owner wants them to be sweet, they'll be sweet. This is why they're such fantastic "family dogs", and were once known as the "nanny dog" -- anyone old enough will remember the dog that was on "The Little Rascals" (Petey) was a PIT BULL. Yeah, so fucking mean and viscious, that he was constantly surrounded by CHILDREN!!! [image]local://upfiles/687741/503212B459434627B15CDAF38E324201.jpg[/image]

MrBukani -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/28/2012 12:02:49 AM)
I always think its funny how people love dogs and dont give a shit about pigs. Cause pigs are food.

VanessaChaland -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/28/2012 12:06:56 AM)
I own Rotties and Pits and your biggest chance of getting bitten is by me. :)

SternSkipper -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/28/2012 12:42:58 AM)
If you want a dog... whatever the breed, RAISE IT LIKE A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY and for the most part you won't have problems. The problems arise when fucking weaklings start thinking a tough breed is the answer. Nearly always ends up in the animal's being neglected or abused in one way or another. I don't think 'dog laws' are a very good answer. But there ought to be some way to convince breeders to lose their sell to any clown that has the green. If only there was a way to chain those PETA loons to a stake out in the front yard of anyone who fucks up with a dog... perhaps the pure annoyance factor would dissuade em.

tweakabelle -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/28/2012 1:00:08 AM)
Here I have noticed that pit bulls are often owned by people who themselves are aggressive, nasty and given to violent behaviour, who seem to regard their dogs as weapons. I am sure they are many responsible owners too who abhor this type of person and the bad image they have given the breed generally. How does one go about ensuring that pit bulls and similar breeds are only owned by responsible people ? I have no idea how that might be achieved. But until it happens, it seems likely that all pit bull owners will have to pay the price for the behaviour of the anti-social element. I agree that this won't be ideal or fair, but there's nothing fair about pit bulls savaging infants, as has happened here on several occasions.

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: MD Court of Appeals: Pitbulls Inherently Dangerous (4/28/2012 1:04:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani I always think its funny how people love dogs and dont give a shit about pigs. That's not true... I "love" bacon!!! [;)][8D]

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