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TheHeretic -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 4:53:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Back on topic, I'm not sure what's going on. I've read polls that show Obama with a sizable lead, some that show Romney with a slight lead, and everything in between. I'm wondering what Rove's doing here with his prediction - all I can figure is that he might be trying to pressure Romney into hiring him, or else that he legitimately sees a massive Romney defeat and is positioning himself as the one who could have saved Romney and wasn't consulted. Simple, Steve. He's covering his ass. I imagine Karl Rove would like to continue getting paid to run his mouth after this election, and predicting an Obama victory, "if the election were held today," is an easy way to do that. It costs him nothing, and makes him look all the wiser, if President Obama is reelected. If Romney wins, then it's because the right changes were made, or because of how events of the summer and fall played out. He's probably right, too. Romney isn't "there," yet, if he is ever going to be "there." The Virginia primary result makes me wonder about that. We shall see, though. What are the summer gas prices going to do? How's the Court going to rule on Obamacare? What crisis might be well handled, or bungled?

DarkSteven -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 5:20:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Romney isn't "there," yet, if he is ever going to be "there." The Virginia primary result makes me wonder about that. Funny - the pundits all claimed that Romney's weak showing during the primary with various groups meant something. I've always disagreed - the fact that he got clobbered by Santorum/Gingrich/Paul in a specific state by a specific group meant to me that he wasn't conservative enough to win against a GOP conservative but will win that group easily against Obama. It's the demographics that favored him that I expect to go for Obama.

Mupainurpleasure -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 5:31:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Obama has some weak points. Most importantly, his failure to prosecute white collar criminals and massive public wealth transfer to the super-rich. I would hammer this point hard, it resonates with general public well. Romney as a recipient of "special benefits" is not a good candidate, but I guess, it would still work against Obama well. If youare talkigng about tarp that was a bush program and it was Bush who minsisted it have no strings attaxched which is why they got to redistribute billions of it in bonus money. The question is if Heath insurance companies and wall st investment baker, Hedge fun managers are giving so much to the republicans is what is good for your insurance companies bototmline and a bankers ability to dodge regulation good for you? I think the bigger issue withwhite collar crime is how much crime has been slowly legalized the last 30 yrs through deregulation. We have had corrupt bubble after corrupt bubble since Ronny

Mupainurpleasure -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 5:35:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Obama has some weak points. Most importantly, his failure to prosecute white collar criminals and massive public wealth transfer to the super-rich Is There Like ANYTHING You Post That's Based On Reality???? white collar prosicutions are flat. they are up from Bush though. The deceptive thing in that argumjent nis the nature of the prosecutions. The DOJ never webt after insider trading and influence peddling like they have in Hedge funds rthe last yr. the fols who think it's persecution dont understand when they make an extra 10 billion on insider knowledge it's your money theystole

SternSkipper -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 5:42:56 PM)
quote: You do know what that successful Bush strategy that he was the architect of was right? Yeah and probably the rest of America is onto "divide and conquer" By the way, it was the strategy HE USED most successfully. He definitely didn't invent it. The timing was just right. They've tried using it on the Occupy Movement to no avail. It's a gas bag that just may be out of wind.

SoftBonds -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 6:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow Obama has some weak points. Most importantly, his failure to prosecute white collar criminals and massive public wealth transfer to the super-rich. I would hammer this point hard, it resonates with general public well. Romney as a recipient of "special benefits" is not a good candidate, but I guess, it would still work against Obama well. Yes, the Republican party will hammer Obama for failing to go after the rich... in other news, scientists have successfully crossbred a goose with a pig, and expect the offspring to be capable of flight at about the same time as that Republican ad campaign begins.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 6:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Call woman whores and sluts? Nope,already did that.....[X(] Try to scandal monger the president? Not work`n out to well......[:D] Say he wants to harm Israel? Still not stick`n.....[:'(] Well.....you cons`ll think of something......[;)] http://www.examiner.com/article/karl-rove-predicts-romney-loss-to-obama "Republican strategist Karl Rove, who is considered the architect of George W. Bush's two successful campaigns for the White House, is predicting that Mitt Romney will have a difficult time beating Barack Obama in the general election in November. According to Rove, the situation is so dire that if the election were held today, Obama would win handily. Romney is the presumptive Republican nominee, although he does not yet have enough delegates to win. Rove is known for his pinpoint accuracy in predicting how the states will vote in general elections. In 2008 he correctly predicted the election results in 48 out of 50 states. In an interview with NewsMax yesterday, Rove states that if the election were held today, Obama would win 284 electoral votes compared to Romney's 157. A candidate must win at least 270 electoral votes to gain the presidency." I'm going to assume you meant "What Would (YOU) Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection?" I would presume that Obama is a phenomenal speaker and he's got an amazing edge....because he's an amazing speaker. And he's likely to win on that issue alone. The guy is velvet. Don't matter what I think....the guy can wrap you around your finger without a trace. (He's gifted).

AurumCaminus -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 8:07:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: You do know what that successful Bush strategy that he was the architect of was right? Yeah and probably the rest of America is onto "divide and conquer" By the way, it was the strategy HE USED most successfully. He definitely didn't invent it. The timing was just right. They've tried using it on the Occupy Movement to no avail. It's a gas bag that just may be out of wind. No, the strategy was that the overwhelming majority of so called swing voters are in fact nothing of the sort, they still tend to vote the same way every time. The very small percentage of votes that really are up for grabs can quite easily be overcome by turning out the base. Whoever can do that better wins. The truth of that has been obvious every election since, the side that is demoralized gets clobbered. What is also obvious is that Romney simply does not inspire the Republican base. Some might say that it is his policies, that he is too moderate, some that it is presentation, that he doesn't have the charisma, others might say it is religious, that evangelical Christians just won't line up behind an LDS. But while the cause may be debatable the effect is not. Most of the people who vote for him will do so because he is NOT Obama. In a crowded primary with disorganized opposition a candidate can play whack-a-mole and skate to the finish line. But in a general election with an organized opponent holding the full advantages of incumbency... Winning by default will be an up hill battle. On that I don't believe Romney really knows how to fight, let alone win. But no matter what the result it will certainly be ugly.

SternSkipper -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 9:14:49 PM)
quote: white collar prosicutions are flat. they are up from Bush though. The deceptive thing in that argumjent nis the nature of the prosecutions. The DOJ never webt after insider trading and influence peddling like they have in Hedge funds rthe last yr. the fols who think it's persecution dont understand when they make an extra 10 billion on insider knowledge it's your money theystole While what you're saying is pretty much true... I was getting more at the delusional pattern of fellow's posts of late... Since nothing he posts is based on any reality, I was trying to figure out what dimension this shit is coming from.

SternSkipper -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 9:25:11 PM)
quote: No, the strategy was that the overwhelming majority of so called swing voters are in fact nothing of the sort, they still tend to vote the same way every time. The very small percentage of votes that really are up for grabs can quite easily be overcome by turning out the base. Whoever can do that better wins. Oh, I'm sorry I figured you meant the strategy most political analysts considered his 'most' successful strategy. My bad... it doesn't matter. I pointed out that this was simply a scare tactic to do the following: "Relax ... it's the warm-up of Karl's campaign of terror aimed at the republicans who'd grown so weary of the neo-con bullshit they otherwise might stay home. " There isn't a so-called swing vote or small percentage voter anywhere in the mix... He's worried about real right-wingers giving up on this election cycle. Either way, it's nothing even CLOSE to masterful. And I doubt it will work cause the pretty much everybody, except the dumbest posts in the neo-con compliment.

Fellow -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 9:48:52 PM)
quote: Is There Like ANYTHING You Post That's Based On Reality???? Not in your alternate reality world. Have you ever heard of TARP, Quantitative Easing, Too Big to Fail, zero interest for selected few, and so on?

SternSkipper -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 10:05:06 PM)
quote: Not in your alternate reality world. Have you ever heard of TARP, Quantitative Easing, Too Big to Fail, zero interest for selected few, and so on? Yeah keep changing topics/talking points ... Sooner or later you'll score one for team Canada.[:D] By the way, in my 'alternate reality' I talk about MY OWN country's politics ... as opposed to you coming off with this shifting topic gibberish about a country I don't even live in.

Owner59 -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/28/2012 10:15:01 PM)
Yeah!......[sm=cheerleader.gif]

Hillwilliam -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 6:43:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Call woman whores and sluts? Nope,already did that.....[X(] Try to scandal monger the president? Not work`n out to well......[:D] Say he wants to harm Israel? Still not stick`n.....[:'(] Well.....you cons`ll think of something......[;)] Gee. I suppose we could always talk about the economy and unemployment... I wish to fuck they would.

subrob1967 -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 8:41:23 AM)
Frankly I wouldn't give a shit what Rove had to say, he became irrelevant 1/20/2004

Mupainurpleasure -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 8:58:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AurumCaminus quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: You do know what that successful Bush strategy that he was the architect of was right? Yeah and probably the rest of America is onto "divide and conquer" By the way, it was the strategy HE USED most successfully. He definitely didn't invent it. The timing was just right. They've tried using it on the Occupy Movement to no avail. It's a gas bag that just may be out of wind. No, the strategy was that the overwhelming majority of so called swing voters are in fact nothing of the sort, they still tend to vote the same way every time. The very small percentage of votes that really are up for grabs can quite easily be overcome by turning out the base. Whoever can do that better wins. The truth of that has been obvious every election since, the side that is demoralized gets clobbered. What is also obvious is that Romney simply does not inspire the Republican base. Some might say that it is his policies, that he is too moderate, some that it is presentation, that he doesn't have the charisma, others might say it is religious, that evangelical Christians just won't line up behind an LDS. But while the cause may be debatable the effect is not. Most of the people who vote for him will do so because he is NOT Obama. In a crowded primary with disorganized opposition a candidate can play whack-a-mole and skate to the finish line. But in a general election with an organized opponent holding the full advantages of incumbency... Winning by default will be an up hill battle. On that I don't believe Romney really knows how to fight, let alone win. But no matter what the result it will certainly be ugly. 2000 was unifier Bush 2004 real deal2004 was about the base not swing voters. I am not sire where you get that from. It was a Sherman type campaign of slash and burn and fire the base up "In 2000, Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative," reaching out to moderates and seeking a large number of votes from the middle of the political spectrum. But in 2004, Rove and others switched to a fairly radical strategy of focusing on increasing turnout from the party's conservative base. " Anyway whats the republican platform in 2012 taxcuts and deficit reduction? lololol fool me once

Fellow -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 9:42:29 AM)
quote: Yeah keep changing topics/talking points ... Sooner or later you'll score one for team Canada. By the way, in my 'alternate reality' I talk about MY OWN country's politics ... as opposed to you coming off with this shifting topic gibberish about a country I don't even live in. Sorry man, the only thing I am pointing out is the truth. You have the right to love your Man, Russians still love Stalin. Canada and the US are basically the same country.

MrRodgers -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 12:19:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy Who's paying Karl's paycheck these day??? You are on the right track. Rove may be right and of course he had better be but I think...he just wants a raise to do more of what the repubs call 'politicking.'

AurumCaminus -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 3:15:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mupainurpleasure 2000 was unifier Bush 2004 real deal2004 was about the base not swing voters. I am not sire where you get that from. It was a Sherman type campaign of slash and burn and fire the base up "In 2000, Bush ran as a "compassionate conservative," reaching out to moderates and seeking a large number of votes from the middle of the political spectrum. But in 2004, Rove and others switched to a fairly radical strategy of focusing on increasing turnout from the party's conservative base. " Anyway whats the republican platform in 2012 taxcuts and deficit reduction? lololol fool me once 2000 was also backed up by a highly targeted get out the vote effort behind the scenes. Its success proved the fundamental point. Naturally the next time around was going to look significantly different after the, "Go after the swing voters" strategy was shown to be counter productive.

Fellow -> RE: What Would Do If A Top GOP Strategist Predicted Obama Will Win Reelection? (4/29/2012 10:15:37 PM)
quote: Yes, the Republican party will hammer Obama for failing to go after the rich... in other news, scientists have successfully crossbred a goose with a pig, and expect the offspring to be capable of flight at about the same time as that Republican ad campaign begins. At first, I think, Obama chances to win the second term are very slim. Karl Rowe is wrong. Obama has essentially betrayed the left and in some sense the nation as well. He has not enacted any effective economic program to deal with the crisis. Shoveling borrowed cash to the banks (lot of it to foreign banks as well) and to the large corporations does not count as a meaningful response. His war policies and assault on civil liberties does not play well with the left and libertarians. Compare him with the great presidents from the past (FDR, Reagan who dealt with the crises) and it is clear he is an empty suit, a con man. The only thing Republicans need to do to increase their chances is to spread the truth. They can use proxies to do this. I believe the only chance for Obama to win would be if Ron Paul decides to run as a third party candidate.

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