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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:35:36 PM   
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I agree that the dj is a first class moron, but I honestly can not see how saying "have someone screw your daughter straight' = rape.

Can someone help me figure out how we got from a to b there?



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Responding to a father who happened upon his teenage daughter kissing another girl, Dieter said, “You should get one of your friends to screw your daughter straight.”


One of the father's friends... not one of the girls.

The assumption is that the girl is lesbian by the "straight" comment.... hence the DJ is telling the father to get one of his friends to force his gay daughter into sex... as most lesbians do not want sex with a man.

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the other side of that coin no one wants to admit, is that the shock jock also made what he considered a logical jump (however unlikely it is) - that it's possible for a gay person to have straight sex without it being rape. there's a name for that - it's called being bi, or bi-curious.


Actually, thats not what he meant. Someone who is bi will have already had been fucked by someone of the opposite sex and fucking them again would not "straighten" anything out.

Just how I see it.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:36:29 PM   
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I wonder if there'll ever be a time when radio audiences will get tired of hearing stupid, crude and nasty opinions masquerading as 'brave, down-to-earth and anti-PC views'. What an arse.

No - sad to say.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:37:30 PM   
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I am gonna go with ignorance IS bliss on this one!

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:37:57 PM   
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I agree that the dj is a first class moron, but I honestly can not see how saying "have someone screw your daughter straight' = rape.

Can someone help me figure out how we got from a to b there?

along the lines of what tazzy said.... the missing word here is CONSENT

that's how you start the long and arduous road from a to b

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:40:17 PM   
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This is PC run amok.

Hmmm... Being opposed to sex crimes is PC? Maybe you should run for Congress; that'd make a great campaign issue for the Neanderthal Right.


^^^ great example of taking HUGE absurd logical jumps. joining in the mob rule chorus. sensationalizing and snarky belittling.

since when is being for free speech translate to being for sex crimes? you're against sex crimes, so anyone who brings up PCism (a valid discussion point) is for sex crimes? pardon my french, but do you realize just how fucking stupid you sound?

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:43:57 PM   
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It isn't even a matter of being PC.  Some things are just so outrageous, they shouldn't be tolerated in a civilized society.  

i strongly disagree with you. the foundation of American society and laws is to protect the right of even the most vile opinions in the marketplace of ideas.

what you're suggesting is even more vile than flippantly suggesting corrective rape

what get's me is the chorus of people condemning the obvious (rape)

when you are broadcasting to possibly millions of people you can't " flippantly suggest corrective rape"
If that is something you are your mates want to chat about in a bar then go ahead, most people here will not be joining you

and what exactly is getting to you about people condemning rape?

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:45:06 PM   
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Words fail me.

My irksome sense of fairness does compel me to note that Dieter apologized. That doesn't make what he said okay, of course.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:45:35 PM   
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the other side of that coin no one wants to admit, is that the shock jock also made what he considered a logical jump (however unlikely it is) - that it's possible for a gay person to have straight sex without it being rape. there's a name for that - it's called being bi, or bi-curious.


Actually, thats not what he meant. Someone who is bi will have already had been fucked by someone of the opposite sex and fucking them again would not "straighten" anything out.

i agree it's absurd thinking you can "convert" someone. they are what they are.

all i'm saying is just like some people made logical jump that it had to be rape, i pointed out that it's possible for a gay person to have straight sex, and it's not rape. we can't have it both ways, where one side gets to assume it has to be rape, while not allowing the other side to point out it doesn't have to be. both are making logical jumps, both are valid.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 4:54:35 PM   
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It isn't even a matter of being PC.  Some things are just so outrageous, they shouldn't be tolerated in a civilized society.  

i strongly disagree with you. the foundation of American society and laws is to protect the right of even the most vile opinions in the marketplace of ideas.

what you're suggesting is even more vile than flippantly suggesting corrective rape

what get's me is the chorus of people condemning the obvious (rape)

when you are broadcasting to possibly millions of people you can't " flippantly suggest corrective rape"
If that is something you are your mates want to chat about in a bar then go ahead, most people here will not be joining you

and what exactly is getting to you about people condemning rape?

lol, why do you get so emotional, that you stoop to childish disparaging narratives of me gulping beer while chatting it up about rape with my mates at a bar? really? kinda lame and boring.

why can't you grasp that i'm not defending corrective rape, or even saying it's a good thing to espouse, flippantly or not. i'm defending some asshole's right to do that. and saying it's even more dangerous when people of your ilk "flippantly" disparage people who speak up for that asshole's right to speak.

because next week, it will be someone speaking up against my right to discuss or practice BDSM. don't you get that?

*astonished looks*


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:07:12 PM   
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If you choose to discuss BDSM I will back you, if you choose to flippantly suggest corrective rape in BDSM I will argue against you, and I will continue to argue against anyone who doesn't seem bothered about rape, get that?

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:18:55 PM   
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didn't notice the childish dispararing negatives in my post' only in yours.

really?

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If that is something you are your mates want to chat about in a bar then go ahead, most people here will not be joining you


i'm not even a drinker, and don't hang out in bars, nor do i enjoy discussing rape with my friends as a past time. are u rly that disingenuous to be claiming you weren't being childish in an attempt to be trollishly cute? doooood!

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If you choose to discuss BDSM I will back you, if you choose to flippantly suggest corrective rape in BDSM I will argue against you, and I will continue to argue against anyone who doesn't seem bothered about rape, get that?

we're all obviously against rape, no duh. it's fine to commiserate about how horrible the shock jock was.

again, i spoke up when someone even hinting at PCism and free speech issues was slammed down by the mob.

and i sure hope you're still around to back me after all the other undesirables are gotten rid of.



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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:25:31 PM   
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There is seriously something wrong with you.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:26:54 PM   
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I agree that the dj is a first class moron, but I honestly can not see how saying "have someone screw your daughter straight' = rape.

Can someone help me figure out how we got from a to b there?


"have someone screw your daughter straight' = "corrective rape" = rape

Did you see my two posts on this on the last page?

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:40:30 PM   
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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:56:17 PM   
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Good god K... he didn't say you drank! You come in and tell everyone what they do wrong in posting or position, take offense to a great deal and in every thread you are on, you have a debate of some sort that amounts to you thinking everyone that debates you is part of a mob.

There is seriously something wrong with you.


doood, get over yourself. you're acting very sychophantically (sp). is that what u do, spot your fav stalkees, and jump in? it's getting old.

it's okay for him to snark me by suggesting i like to talk about rape while drinking beer with buddies, but me snarking him back means something is wrong with me?

you're one weird fucking person. does twisting shit around work fer ya IRL? is this supposed to be entertaining? it's kinda boring me.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 5:58:35 PM   
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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 6:01:25 PM   
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I think we have exposed one of those "old fashioned" men who do not know the difference between Dom and misogynist.

translation: waaa waaaa waaa more crying and stupid indirect wussy sniping, this time calling me a misogynist, and sychophantically trying to suck kalikshama into it.

*yawn*

be a fucking man or woman and do your sniping directly.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 6:29:31 PM   
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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 6:47:40 PM   
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It isn't even a matter of being PC.  Some things are just so outrageous, they shouldn't be tolerated in a civilized society.  

i strongly disagree with you. the foundation of American society and laws is to protect the right of even the most vile opinions in the marketplace of ideas.

what you're suggesting is even more vile than flippantly suggesting corrective rape. and more dangerous because this is some shock jock mouthing off to get ratings and attention, while you're seriously suggesting fascism without even realizing it.

sure, the shock jock was absurd. what get's me is the chorus of people condemning the obvious (rape); and the only person who stood up for the right to speak is slammed down. granted, a one liner saying this is PCism wasn't the best way to state the obvious (freedom of speech).

nope Which types of speech are not protected by the First Amendment?

Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:

•Obscenity
•Fighting words
•Defamation (includes libel, slander)
•Child pornography
•Perjury
•Blackmail
•Incitement to imminent lawless action
•True threats
•Solicitations to commit crimes
free speech is not limitless speech Why Rush is in hot water. Calling somene a slut and aprostitute on public airwaves is defamation and slander if they are not a slut and a prostitute but instead a law student.
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Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, traducement, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. This can be also any disparaging statement made by one person about another, which is communicated or published, whether true or false, depending on legal state. In Common Law it is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defame http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 4/30/2012 6:51:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		To me, the first problem addressed here is that anyone would take bad advice from a radio DJ and actually follow through with it. If the collective intelligence of our society is so low that we have to worry about someone hearing something this outrageous and actually doing it, well, that leaves a lot to be desired in terms of intelligence in our culture.

Clearly the statement was over the top, rude, offensive, and otherwise something most would vehemently disagree with, but I stand on the side of free speech and have to say, everyone should have the freedom to say, write or otherwise broadcast whatever they think, feel, believe or otherwise want to express. It is the cornerstone of our free society to be able to do so, and limiting it, even in the case of someone so infantile and irresponsible as this DJ obviously is, even if he were joking or otherwise being sarcastic, is to further the erosion of free speech about virtually any belief or topic you may at some point wish to express yourself.

The simple solution for those who disagree with this DJ's views, including myself, is to simply not listen to what he has to say. As that stance reaches consensus, the DJ finds himself out of work and talking to himself.

Sociologically, we are rapidly approaching a point where if we don't learn to keep our nerves under our skin, and make choices based on our own internal guidance systems, we are going to find ourselves in a spot where we are not allowed to voice our opinions at all. And for the crowd that frequents this website, that could turn into a very ugly way of life. Imagine if those who had the influence in our society were able to use these very posts as a means to imprison you because you choose an alternative lifestyle that they for whatever arbitrary reason consider offensive and undesirable for free people in our society? Then you find yourselves whisked away to a camp for indoctrination. Not a pretty scene (though some masochists might like the idea, at least in fantasy).

It all boils down to this, you have to live the courage of your convictions, and if you do, what other people say simply doesn't matter all that much. It's a price you pay for being free.

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