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jlf1961 -> RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to Beat Their LGBT Kids (5/4/2012 3:55:10 PM)
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This is so heartbreaking to read. And now this pastor is simply going to be contributing to more runaway children, more psychologically messed-up young adults, more broken families? And how exactly is this good for us as a society, regardless of whether one is theist, atheist, or whateverist?
I suppose any homophobic flake might say as much. What's heartbreaking to me is that this guy is accepted as a freaking pastor. But I guess that's the state of affairs you end up with when your definition of religion is any set of beliefs "generally agreed upon by a number of persons."
K.
generally imo when God reflects a believers prejudices they may have great faith but it's in a God they created in their own image. There just isnt enough hate in any of the majot religous texts main themes to justify the image of God zealots create. ialways liek the jeffersonian bible when looking at broad theme the books a a moral roadmap
Then please, someone explain something to me.
I understand that many Christians believe that homosexuality is prohibited by the Bible (let's just assume this one for a moment, because I know all Christian groups do not agree on this point).
My understanding is that Christ died on the cross to save Christians from their sins. And my understanding of Christianity is that sin is ultimately forgiven (by God, not man).
My understanding is also that Christianity believes in the concept of "free will".
My understanding is also that it is a commandment to honor thy father and mother.
So, while I get, in the narrowest sense, that a Christian parent might feel their children should honor them by behaving as they are told, why does any Christian feel they have anything to say about some other person's "choice" (using the term loosely here - not suggesting homosexuality is an actual choice) of homosexuality. Where does it say in the Christian religion that a father will not go to heaven if his son turns out to be gay? What Christian group believes that the children's choices/free will affects what happens to them as parents on judgment day. If anything, isn't it the other way around - sins of the father etc.
Where exactly in Christianity does this concern for other people's free will and other people's sins come from when the religion is based on the concept of individual free will and forgiveness of sin to begin with? In other words, Christianity seems to be about making one's own moral choices and then ultimately being forgiven for your own sins that occurred not other people's sins. So why so much concern about what other people do when it has NO spiritual impact on one's own salvation?? From a philosophical perspective, it seems like a whole heck of a lot of worry over....well....absolutely NOTHING.
Some of this would be much more tenable if it at least made some sense. But I have to be honest...it doesn't.
First of all, not all sins are forgivable, suicide being the most prominent. There are others.
If you wish to see ALL the bible versus that deal with homosexuality go here. There is no way any christian group can deny the biblical prohibitions against homosexuality. Also sex for any reason other than procreation can be considered a sin, and anything other than straight intercourse IS a sin, but ultimately forgivable.
Christianity does promote free will. Thus the idea of acceptance and tolerance should be practiced and leaving judgement to God and God alone.
The sins of the child are not visited on the father or mother. The sins of the father can be visited unto his children and descendants, something that is spoken about in the old testament not the new testament. Personally I feel that one is accountable for his or her sins personally and no one else is accountable.
The point that you are missing is that Christians, by the very idea of being christian must minister or spread the faith. Therefore they are concerned with another person's salvation. However, I stress the point that if the other person does not accept being told of the message of god, then let it go.
Many Christians have accepted that homosexuality is not a choice, that there is some mental or psychological aspect to homosexuality. The choice then becomes one of acting on desires or urges or acting in a manner that is acceptable to god. But that is true of all sin.
I also believe that since homosexuality is not a choice, then god knows this and will deal with it accordingly.
As I said, I have a lesbian daughter, and I accept how she lives her life. She has lived a good life and I dont personally believe that god will condemn her to hell over being lesbian.
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