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Lucylastic -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 3:35:35 PM)
sheeit, I missed that load of crap, WND is the birther site eh?? yeah we can rely on them, SNORTS

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 3:40:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA More info... Occupy partners with anarchy group While Occupy leaders attempt to distance their group from the Ohio anarchists, WND reported last week Occupy has partnered with an anarchy movement to deploy joint chaotic actions aimed at protesting capitalism. Two weeks ago, Occupy D.C. and an anti-capitalist group calling itself the Anarchist Alliance D.C. Network caused a ruckus at an International Monetary Fund convention. Protesters reportedly attached climbing ropes to security barricades outside the main IMF entry checkpoint and pulled them down. Other ropes were used to pull down obstacles along the path delegates used to attend the meetings. Protesters stormed several hotels where IMF delegates were staying, including the Washington Circle Hotel and the Mayflower. A Facebook “anarchy” page was created in the run-up to the IMF event. The page, titled “Anarchy Spring training and IMF protest in DC-April 19th to 20th-2012,” served as an online planning forum. The Occupy Wall Street website initiated a subsection titled “anarchy” in which related events are posted. The site boasts of a Manhattan protest earlier this month, following an anarchy book fair, in which agitators marched through the streets turning over trash cans and spraying anarchy symbols on local businesses. Protesters reportedly used eight-foot-long metal pipes to smash the windows of a Starbucks in New York’s East Village. One group, calling itself the First of May Anarchist Alliance, has partnered with Occupy to protest the Trayvon Martin shooting. The anarchy tactics apparently come directly from the playbook of a direct-action organization known as the Ruckus Society, which helped to spark the 1999 World Trade Organization protests in Seattle that turned violent. Ruckus is directly tied to Occupy. WND previously reported how official direct-action training resources for Occupy events include several manuals from the Ruckus Society. Ruckus was also listed as a “friend and partner” of Occupy events, including the movement’s Days of Action held in October 2011. Ruckus is funded by the George Soros-financed Tides Center, which has been involved in Occupy since the movement’s onset. Another grantee of Tides is the Adbusters magazine, which first announced the Occupy movement. MoveOn.org, which has joined Occupy, is funded by Tides. LINK: http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/ohio-bridge-bombing-suspect-was-occupy-member/?cat_orig=us Regardless, the five people who are accused of the bomb plot on the bridge are not affiliated personally with any Occupy movements. And "anarchist" is a GENERIC term for a political belief. Just because there were white people in the Occupy movements doesn't tell us anything about any particular white person out there in the rest of the world. Not every white person is now part of the Occupy movement simply because there were white people in the Occupy movement. Just saying....

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 3:41:45 PM)
World nut daily where all the tinfoil hats gather to hear the truth they want to be the truth.... anyne catch Mit complainng we werentstickingnup for a persecuted chinese didisdent? me thinks he has an issue w ith persecution in his own campgay means shouldnt be able to work? OMG is someone going off on theTIDES again??????? Werent they the ngroup some conservative wa on his wayy to kill when stopped by police?ahh yes anon violence inciting host talked about them off course those that hate the group probably never actually learned what they actually dophilanthrophy the new leftist plot I find it amazing an individual makes a web page and he has an offocal capacity and yet the offical twitter acount of tea party patriots doesnt have offical status LOLOLOL I know most KKK members are membver sof the republican party can I use the same faulty logic to reach the same faulty conclusions?

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 3:42:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA More info... Occupy partners with anarchy group While Occupy leaders attempt to distance their group from the Ohio anarchists, WND reported last week Occupy has partnered with an anarchy movement to deploy joint chaotic actions aimed at protesting capitalism. Two weeks ago, Occupy D.C. and an anti-capitalist group calling itself the Anarchist Alliance D.C. Network caused a ruckus at an International Monetary Fund convention. Protesters reportedly attached climbing ropes to security barricades outside the main IMF entry checkpoint and pulled them down. Other ropes were used to pull down obstacles along the path delegates used to attend the meetings. Protesters stormed several hotels where IMF delegates were staying, including the Washington Circle Hotel and the Mayflower. A Facebook “anarchy” page was created in the run-up to the IMF event. The page, titled “Anarchy Spring training and IMF protest in DC-April 19th to 20th-2012,” served as an online planning forum. The Occupy Wall Street website initiated a subsection titled “anarchy” in which related events are posted. The site boasts of a Manhattan protest earlier this month, following an anarchy book fair, in which agitators marched through the streets turning over trash cans and spraying anarchy symbols on local businesses. Protesters reportedly used eight-foot-long metal pipes to smash the windows of a Starbucks in New York’s East Village. One group, calling itself the First of May Anarchist Alliance, has partnered with Occupy to protest the Trayvon Martin shooting. The anarchy tactics apparently come directly from the playbook of a direct-action organization known as the Ruckus Society, which helped to spark the 1999 World Trade Organization protests in Seattle that turned violent. Ruckus is directly tied to Occupy. WND previously reported how official direct-action training resources for Occupy events include several manuals from the Ruckus Society. Ruckus was also listed as a “friend and partner” of Occupy events, including the movement’s Days of Action held in October 2011. Ruckus is funded by the George Soros-financed Tides Center, which has been involved in Occupy since the movement’s onset. Another grantee of Tides is the Adbusters magazine, which first announced the Occupy movement. MoveOn.org, which has joined Occupy, is funded by Tides. LINK: http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/ohio-bridge-bombing-suspect-was-occupy-member/?cat_orig=us Regardless, the five people who are accused of the bomb plot on the bridge are not affiliated personally with any Occupy movements. And "anarchist" is a GENERIC term for a political belief. Just because there were white people in the Occupy movements doesn't tell us anything about any particular white person out there in the rest of the world. Not every white person is now part of the Occupy movement simply because there were white people in the Occupy movement. Just saying.... its better jsut to laugh at the dervishes. they use no reason nor do they wish to

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 4:06:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess ...the five people who are accused of the bomb plot on the bridge are not affiliated personally with any Occupy movements. Not according to U.S. News & World Report -- but I guess they've CONSPIRED with the other media that have reported OWS has ties to anarchists as well, huh?!! [8\|] "According to an affidavit unsealed on Tuesday, five Cleveland men—at least three whom are self-described anarchists—were recently arrested for plotting to blow up a bridge as part of the May Day protests, according to the Daily Mail. A member of Occupy Cleveland revealed that some of the men had ties to the group as well, but their media coordinator denied any knowledge of the planned attacks." http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/05/01/occupy-wall-street-seeks-to-reinvigorate-movement-with-may-day-protests

Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 4:48:06 PM)
Affirming The Consequent:

PeonForHer -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 4:48:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee So, Brandon Baxter, one of the Cleveland 5, who was the organizer and point of contact for the Occupy festival last weekend, is NOT part of the occupy movement? I wonder why he was doing all that organizing for them. If he was not part of it. This line of argument really isn't going to go anywhere for you, Aylee. You want me to tell you all about the wonderful things certain Christians did before they went nutty at Waco, or doing some hearty fiddling with underage children (re the latest scandals about paedophiliac Catholic priests in Ireland). Or, the viciously violent police who've dealt with entirely non-violent protests by Occupy people around the globe but, of course, most especially in the USA. Sorry, but there it is. If you don't want us lefties to tar all police, or all priests, or all 'fine upstanding Christians' in America, with the same brush - then you have to play by the same rule. Heads up: There isn't one rule for those who have the power, and another for those who don't. That isn't how it works.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 5:38:22 PM)
FR Even if Baxter helped organize a recent Occupy event, 4 of the 5 seem to not have a connection to the Occupy movements. Are we now going to say that anyone who did anything for any Occupy movement anywhere, that if they commit any crime elsewhere that somehow the Occupy movements are responsible?? Again I don't quite understand the logic of one of them was at Occupy, therefore this bombing attempt is related to the Occupy movements. This logic just doesn't hold. I understand the ANARCHY part. But the attempt to try to connect this to the Occupy movement (i.e., that this is a planned part of the Occupy movement) is simply not holding water. Just because Baxter might have been involved in both still doesn't say anything about this incident as an Occupy movement initiative. It still seems to me that we are talking about a group of 5 anarchists who tried to bomb a bridge....

SternSkipper -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:08:47 PM)
quote: well that came from Newsbusters with a side angle from fox that said (From Fox) “It is unknown if the bridge incident was connected to Occupy Wall Street’s plans for nationwide protests Tuesday.” Hey ... here's what I want to know,.... a LARGE concern like US News & World Report has to rely on the Daily Mail? Anyway, I spoke to a friend in NYC who's been talking to Peter Schanz and this Brandon kid was a volunteer a few times. An action against eviction and he got arrested once. No way he was any more than that to the group. And the other two said to be affiliated? "They mostly came by for meals and a place to sleep when either their parents or girlfriends came over". My friend also says this informant was a local roofer who fed these kids some work and that he made close to $6k from the feds. He also said the informant had been approaching LOTS of people not just these three and that he was told several times to go away because he represented a drug issue. That's all I have been able to find out so far. Aylee's smoking pistol turns out to be a dripping penis... get it looked at will ya?

Aylee -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:14:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Regardless, the five people who are accused of the bomb plot on the bridge are not affiliated personally with any Occupy movements. So. . . being the point of contact and the organizer is not being personally affiliated. I must get myself a new dictionary.

TheHeretic -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:16:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Oh I don't know, TH. When the screwballs at Waco went whacko, other Christians dissociated themselves from those 'Davidians', and most of us were happy to accept that. Me, I didn't then go around calling all Christians - or even all Davidians - "scum", as does, for instance, MSLA. That Waco is the example you went to, Peon, makes me think you aren't very familiar with the realities of that case. If the fucking ATF hadn't developed a desire to entrap and bust them, they'd still be living happily in their compound, waiting for the end. It never needed to happen. And mainstream Christians generally dismiss the end-timer cultists, well before the shooting starts, if not immediately.

PeonForHer -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:26:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic And mainstream Christians generally dismiss the end-timer cultists, well before the shooting starts, if not immediately. Blimey, TH: You must surely know what I'm going to say . . . . Mainstream Christians generally dismiss the end-timer cultists. Similarly, Occupy activists have dismissed these 'bridge bombers'. So, what's the difference? Why should we accept the words of one bunch of mainstreamers who distance themselves from 'nasties who aren't part of us, despite what they say', but not the other?

Aylee -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:33:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee So, Brandon Baxter, one of the Cleveland 5, who was the organizer and point of contact for the Occupy festival last weekend, is NOT part of the occupy movement? I wonder why he was doing all that organizing for them. If he was not part of it. This line of argument really isn't going to go anywhere for you, Aylee. You want me to tell you all about the wonderful things certain Christians did before they went nutty at Waco, or doing some hearty fiddling with underage children (re the latest scandals about paedophiliac Catholic priests in Ireland). Or, the viciously violent police who've dealt with entirely non-violent protests by Occupy people around the globe but, of course, most especially in the USA. Sorry, but there it is. If you don't want us lefties to tar all police, or all priests, or all 'fine upstanding Christians' in America, with the same brush - then you have to play by the same rule. Heads up: There isn't one rule for those who have the power, and another for those who don't. That isn't how it works. Mr. Baxter organized Occupy events and was a point of contact for them. Are you still telling me that this makes him unaffiliated with them? Sarah Palin was blamed for the Arizona shooting. That guy was a nutcase from the other party. Yet her and her website was blamed. And you are telling me that an organizer for Occupy events is NOT to be considered an Occupier? What kind of logic are you using?

SternSkipper -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:34:12 PM)
quote: Blimey, TH: You must surely know what I'm going to say . . . . Mainstream Christians generally dismiss the end-timer cultists. Similarly, Occupy activists have dismissed these 'bridge bombers'. Hahahaha ,... You can't blame the guy for sympathizing with the bombers' feeling of abandonment. Poor guy has probably known a lot of heartache over just those very issues.

Lucylastic -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:36:10 PM)
he made the facebook page. thats deep.... yeah loughner was a only lib cos he had mein kamph in his reading material!

SternSkipper -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:36:15 PM)
quote: Mr. Baxter organized Occupy events and was a point of contact for them. Are you still telling me that this makes him unaffiliated with them? Sarah Palin was blamed for the Arizona shooting. That guy was a nutcase from the other party. Yet her and her website was blamed. Least you see the equivalence between the two fantasies. That's a step in the right direction.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:38:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess Regardless, the five people who are accused of the bomb plot on the bridge are not affiliated personally with any Occupy movements. So. . . being the point of contact and the organizer is not being personally affiliated. I must get myself a new dictionary. I'm reposting this because obviously you didn't see it: Even if Baxter helped organize a recent Occupy event, 4 of the 5 seem to not have a connection to the Occupy movements. Are we now going to say that anyone who did anything for any Occupy movement anywhere, that if they commit any crime elsewhere that somehow the Occupy movements are responsible?? Again I don't quite understand the logic of one of them was at Occupy, therefore this bombing attempt is related to the Occupy movements. This logic just doesn't hold. I understand the ANARCHY part. But the attempt to try to connect this to the Occupy movement (i.e., that this is a planned part of the Occupy movement) is simply not holding water. Just because Baxter might have been involved in both still doesn't say anything about this incident as an Occupy movement initiative. It still seems to me that we are talking about a group of 5 anarchists who tried to bomb a bridge....

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:43:14 PM)
Liberal Dictionary Definitions [;)] Victim: a poor, deluded individual forced by a paternalistic, capitalistic society mired in an old-fashioned sense of morality to act out against that oppression with deeds that may inconvenience other members of society. See also “The Oppressed”, “The Good Guys”, or “Bestselling Prison Author” Criminal: a member of the ruling socio-economic-ethnic class or their hired thugs who use their badges of authority to aid in the oppression of “victims” and the imposition of their oppressive, outmoded morality on the oppressed classes. See also “the rich”, “Christians”, “police”, or “oppressor”. What’stheirname?: one of the members of society inadvertently affected when a victim strikes out against the criminals of society, their irrational moral values, their ill-gotten property, or their inconvenient timing. While those heroic acts against the oppressors may leave these members of society (often members of the oppressed classes themselves) in some discomfort or, well, dead, the pain of these whoeverytheyweres pales in comparison to the oppressive oppressiveness the oppressors oppressed the poor victims with. See also “martyr” Murder: The public execution of a victim by the criminal class after a sham “trial” usually featuring a racist jury of oppressors. See also “the Chair”, “the Needle”, or “cruel and unusual”. Rape: What happens to a Victim in a court unless you get a good JUDGE; also, the greedy confiscation of natural resources and the exploitation of Victims by the Criminals. Judge: hopefully, a person enlightened enough to recognize the efforts of criminals to victimize victims and stop them before the tools on the jury try to rape or murder the victim. http://ferrellgummit.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/liberal-dictionary-definitions/ [image]local://upfiles/687741/EC3DB0F52DB34F51BE57C6DE635DB1C4.jpg[/image]

SternSkipper -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:43:42 PM)
quote: he made the facebook page. thats deep.... She's gonna go on and on with that clump of BS. WHAT'S BRANDON'S PHONE NUMBER THEN???? All occupy Cleveland's "points of contact" publish their numbers.

PeonForHer -> RE: Just some fun loving Occupy bridge bombers (5/3/2012 6:43:47 PM)
Sorry Aylee, but I don't think you're getting the point here. I refer you to the question I put to The Heretic in post 52, above. The logic is there - I think you just need to apply it to all sides.

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