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ORIGINAL: JanahX

I think its pretty fucking funny comparing a dogs brain and the way it interacts to the world to a human being.

TONS and TONS of similarities ... Just SO MANY OF THEM.

I get these types of messages all the time on the other side -
I guess I dont see myself as some object or thing that is just going to blindly take orders from someone. As a person, I like to have someone include logic / reasoning / and common sense in requests. Otherwise, I find the person to be rather annoying and irritating.

As for training -(to me), its just a bunch of internet BDSM jibberish. One of my most favorite things people ask me on the other side is : Are you trained?

Its like wtf? I always reply: what are you talking about, trained in what? - and of course they never reply.

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ORIGINAL: subbyinlosangele

I understand your point, but I think the way you are expressing it would be offputting to most people. I think the large majority of submissives wouldn't want to be in a relationship where there are being compared to a dog in the way you are laying this out.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
...the dog brain and the human brain just flat out works differently...

totally agree, but still too many similarities to dismiss; i.e., it's a valid discussion.

...One lives it's life nearly completely in the moment and simply reacting to that moment. Only swayed by taught, instinctual triggers.

The other spends more of it's life attempting to reason and problem solve. Constantly reacting to their own brain tape recorders and filtering their triggers and reactions through that.

i agree conceptually, but believe you're over-simplifying it. i disagree on there being such polar differences for all humans and all dogs. It's two intersecting continuums. i've seen humans react entirely in the moment, only swayed by instinct. And, i've seen dogs problem-solve and filter triggers and reactions.

Certainly there is overlap in many aspects...

But there are as many, if not more, differences than similarities. Even though many of us, for various reasons, would like to believe otherwise.

that's a nebulous thing to gauge and measure. of course it's human-centric to suggest we start an analysis of dogs by starting with how humans think. but it's just as folly to be dismissive, and suggest that it's not a valid thing to discuss because you believe there are more differences than similarities.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Internal enslavement requires a great deal of CONSCIOUS effort on the part of the slave. It's not all pavlovian bell-ringing.

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ORIGINAL: Lucifyre
The command is the bell, the arousal is the drooling.

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ORIGINAL: Lucifyre

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Internal enslavement requires a great deal of CONSCIOUS effort on the part of the slave. It's not all pavlovian bell-ringing.

Not all maybe, but you have to admit that there are tons of things that D/s partners do that have a similar effect.
For instance: "Take an enema and put your buttplug in and cuffs on before I get home" might make some submissives hard as a rock or wet as Niagra falls...knowing the what comes after master or mistress comes home. The command is the bell, the arousal is the drooling.

Lucifyre

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

good post LaTig. sorry i got lazy, see my answers in bold...

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
...the dog brain and the human brain just flat out works differently...

totally agree, but still too many similarities to dismiss; i.e., it's a valid discussion.

...One lives it's life nearly completely in the moment and simply reacting to that moment. Only swayed by taught, instinctual triggers.

The other spends more of it's life attempting to reason and problem solve. Constantly reacting to their own brain tape recorders and filtering their triggers and reactions through that.

i agree conceptually, but believe you're over-simplifying it. i disagree on there being such polar differences for all humans and all dogs. It's two intersecting continuums. i've seen humans react entirely in the moment, only swayed by instinct. And, i've seen dogs problem-solve and filter triggers and reactions.

Certainly there is overlap in many aspects...

But there are as many, if not more, differences than similarities. Even though many of us, for various reasons, would like to believe otherwise.

that's a nebulous thing to gauge and measure. of course it's human-centric to suggest we start an analysis of dogs by starting with how humans think. but it's just as folly to suggest that it's not a valid thing to discuss because you believe there are more differences than similarities.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I don't believe I said it was an invalid thing to discuss or said that it shouldn't be discussed. If my opinions of validity, or what I want to discuss on any given day, was the limitation of the forums, it would be a pretty quiet place.

On topic, I see the possibility for over simplification on both sides of the fence. My opinion, valid or not, is that an awful lot of dogs are a lot smarter than an awful lot of people. But, that is neither here nor there within the potential for discussion of this topic.