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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 1:14:13 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Conservatism relies on Capitalism, which is looked on as "Free Market" principles.

Then you are fucked wholly and without let or hindrance, since there is no free market in the entire universe. 

Did you know that the whole S & L crisis was caused, in no small part, by regulations?


Well, you have to sort of learn the language if you are going to speak english to many here, there is a difference between deregulation and regulation, and the deregulation that Reagan and the neo-cons loosed allowed exactly what happened with banks when they deregulated them, the speculative investing side could finance its dogshit thru the depositors side of the bank.

And, yeah.....we know that, it was in the news then, and it was in the news now.

But fuck the facts, lets get a photo id, cuz we need it.


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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 2:35:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: joether

The goverment has dont studies on this, and the rate of actual voter fraud is less than 1% per state at best.

Why should I have to show my ID for something that happens less than 1% of the time?



On November 8, 2000, the Florida Division of Elections reported that Bush won by a margin less than 0.5%. The resulting outcry seems to suggest that even under 1% is significant enough to be concerned about.

yeah I'd be concerned if it was 1 percent but since it is instead .00005 percent it is a non issue. I would think in fla where they wrongly strck 12k african americans from the roles as felons who werent. if protecting why do republicans in FLA keep striking so many blacks off the rolls who arent felons? How do they only strike 63 republican voting cubanos and thousands of blacks who vote democrat as they attempted in 2004 and we not call it something other than disenfranchisement?

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 2:36:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your right now want to answer the question? What frauid???? SHOW ME. the bush Doj spent millions and found 100 cases

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 2:38:44 PM   
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Cut the shit about the hassles and "expense" of getting a photo ID. Plain and simple, The Democrats want no ID voting so they can "stuff" the ballot boxes.

How will that happen without an ID? Explain to me how exactly.

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 2:41:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: papassion


Cut the shit about the hassles and "expense" of getting a photo ID. Plain and simple, The Democrats want no ID voting so they can "stuff" the ballot boxes.

Suuuuuuuuuuuure they do. Got a shred of evidence for that theory? I mean, what would keep the Republicans from doing the same thing? Are the Democrats so much smarter that they can figure out how but the Republicans can't?.

republicans strike extra names form loists that arent felons in the african american community and dont strike the ones that are in the cuban communitty in FLA. it hink by that act alone we can say their policy is disenfranchisement of minorities who dotn vote republican. If fraud were the issue the id would be needed to register not vote but...that would mean all the republicans would have to reregister too

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 2:59:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, let me spell it out for ya bucky. ACORN fills out a few hundred bogus voter registrations in each precinct. Then on election day, they haul a few busloads of volunteers from precinct to precinct and they cast ballots for the not existant voters. Alternate method: go cast an absentee ballot for a legitimate voter ahead of the election, and when (and if) the voter in question shows up, the vote MAY be held up until after the results are settled, but like as not turnout is bad enough that there's no telling how many never come to light. By the way, BOTH of these tactics have neen ised by the Democrats in the past, PLUS casting votes for the deceased (why they also resist any efforts to "clean up" the voter registratio.n rolls)

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:02:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		And the republicans get at the voting machines.  So theirs is the bigger fraud.  They can do thousands and thousands with one line of code, or the flick of one switch.



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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:12:28 PM   
CharmCityCpl


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Status: offline 		Check your facts before you speak. The Democrats are the ones wanting to go to a computerized system with no 'hard copy to fall back on for a physical ballot recount. The Obama Administration itself is conyracting with a SPANISH company to tabulate the votes. How do you figure the Republicans are behind this?

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:15:41 PM   
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The Obama Administration itself is conyracting with a SPANISH company to tabulate the votes


That's interesting. Do you mind sharing your source so I can learn more? I'd always thought the mechanics of voting were handled at a state or local level.

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:20:16 PM   
mnottertail


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And that is --------- E Pluribus Unum. (you know what that means, right?  I have even better ones.....lol, but you should watch it all the way thru, so you can get your talking points straight, cuz this is a pretty detailed public reasoning)

Maybe-------uh-----well just sorta YOU should check your FACTS before you speak, or it may be possible for most people to consider you a bullshitter.

I guess that my idea would be that the Spanish really don't have any dogs in the fight for our elections, and we know we cant trust republicans to run fair counts.

Oh, and because I know that the rushfelchers will dig up something that is touted as the 'modus operandi' of the teabaggers, neocons and whatnot, I will preload the 'You were for it before you were against it', link...and tell you that somebody down there better coordinate policy, or it will appear that the Grand Old Party is floundering.....
http://www.wpi.edu/news/20045/evoting.html


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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:26:29 PM   
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LOL, I will let you gather your rosebuds.....

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 3:27:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CharmCityCpl

Ok, let me spell it out for ya bucky. ACORN fills out a few hundred bogus voter registrations in each precinct. Then on election day, they haul a few busloads of volunteers from precinct to precinct and they cast ballots for the not existant voters. Alternate method: go cast an absentee ballot for a legitimate voter ahead of the election, and when (and if) the voter in question shows up, the vote MAY be held up until after the results are settled, but like as not turnout is bad enough that there's no telling how many never come to light. By the way, BOTH of these tactics have neen ised by the Democrats in the past, PLUS casting votes for the deceased (why they also resist any efforts to "clean up" the voter registratio.n rolls)

You apparently have no idea how voter registration works.

No matter who fills out a registration form it is up to th election commission, or equivalent, to verify the validity of each registration, in most places in the US all completed forms must be submitted even if the submitter has good reason to believe the registration is fraudulent. The most common way to verify a registration is to send a postcard, specifically a no forwarding service postcard, to each registrant. If hundreds of fraudulent registrations are all for one address then the election commission is certainly going to know something isn't kosher.

BTW your fantasy never happened. ACORN did particpate in GOTV efforts like many other groups but after millions of dollars and many hours of investigations by right wingers their has never been a case where a ACORN fraudulent registration was allowed to vote.

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RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 4:59:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CharmCityCpl

Ok, let me spell it out for ya bucky. ACORN fills out a few hundred bogus voter registrations in each precinct. Then on election day, they haul a few busloads of volunteers from precinct to precinct and they cast ballots for the not existant voters. Alternate method: go cast an absentee ballot for a legitimate voter ahead of the election, and when (and if) the voter in question shows up, the vote MAY be held up until after the results are settled, but like as not turnout is bad enough that there's no telling how many never come to light. By the way, BOTH of these tactics have neen ised by the Democrats in the past, PLUS casting votes for the deceased (why they also resist any efforts to "clean up" the voter registratio.n rolls)

let me spell it out ta yah....didnt happen the names were struck as they were supposed to be before they were registered and it's something that happens with paid vter regoistration drives run by republicans as well. Now that you told me your assumptions why not back it up with some proof of illegally REGISTERED voters not names signe d uo to register which were rejected. yeah about that dead people voting. your fantasy requires the Bush DOJ spend millions and not discover itFaux still lieing

It's propaganda and your swallowing it


  • Dont worry brown people us white people will help u true the vote....it isnt suppression honest

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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 7:26:41 PM   
    DesideriScuri


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    ORIGINAL: DomKen
    All these laws will do is disenfranchise honest people who are poor or disabled.


    Oh, bullshit. That's such a crock of crap.

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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 7:31:13 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: DomKen
    You apparently have no idea how voter registration works.
    No matter who fills out a registration form it is up to th election commission, or equivalent, to verify the validity of each registration, in most places in the US all completed forms must be submitted even if the submitter has good reason to believe the registration is fraudulent. The most common way to verify a registration is to send a postcard, specifically a no forwarding service postcard, to each registrant. If hundreds of fraudulent registrations are all for one address then the election commission is certainly going to know something isn't kosher.
    BTW your fantasy never happened. ACORN did particpate in GOTV efforts like many other groups but after millions of dollars and many hours of investigations by right wingers their has never been a case where a ACORN fraudulent registration was allowed to vote.


    Happened in Ohio. People were allowed to register and vote on the same day. I think the "early voting" time was 2 weeks before the vote. Jennifer Brunner lost her job because she flat out refused to verify all the questionable registrations.

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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 7:44:06 PM   
    DesideriScuri


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    ORIGINAL: mnottertail
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    Conservatism relies on Capitalism, which is looked on as "Free Market" principles.


    Then you are fucked wholly and without let or hindrance, since there is no free market in the entire universe. 


    You are correct that there does not exist a 100% completely free market. But, that's just fine.

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    Did you know that the whole S & L crisis was caused, in no small part, by regulations?


    Well, you have to sort of learn the language if you are going to speak english to many here, there is a difference between deregulation and regulation, and the deregulation that Reagan and the neo-cons loosed allowed exactly what happened with banks when they deregulated them, the speculative investing side could finance its dogshit thru the depositors side of the bank.
    And, yeah.....we know that, it was in the news then, and it was in the news now.
    But fuck the facts, lets get a photo id, cuz we need it.


    Yep, you have *all* the facts. Well, all the facts you require to keep in the bliss.

    Why did the Fed's de-regulate S & L's? The S & L's were about to go under because of regulations that capped the interest rates they could offer to depositors. Banks did not have this problem and could offer rates as high as they wanted. So, the Fed's de-regulate S & L's, allowing them to offer competitive rates, also increased the types of loans they could offer, and relaxed the "on hand" requirements closer to what was required of banks. S & L's started to grow again. Their business was booming. There was hanky-panky going on at some S & L's and the Fed's came in and forced the old regulations back onto them. Immediate fire sale of holdings that were no longer allowed. S & L's crashed because the mortgage industry was their money-making arm and they were stuck with the high interest rates offered to savers with no way to earn that money.

    But, yeah, let's just say it's all about DE-regulation.

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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 8:54:23 PM   
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    Happened in Ohio. People were allowed to register and vote on the same day. I think the "early voting" time was 2 weeks before the vote. Jennifer Brunner lost her job because she flat out refused to verify all the questionable registrations.


    Yeah... that sounds a lot like your state was lax in construction of registration laws. So fix it with a decent waiting period like the majority of states,
    But let me say this about your perception of "questionable registrations".
    In the last 20 years, and PARTICULARLY since 2000, there has been a rather active tactic of challenging the opposing candidates in their race challenging nearly ALL of the registrations of voters signing balloting petitions (usually on the part of seated republicans seeking re-election, though I have heard of at least one democrat doing so). Scott Brown wants this to be a two-horse race so bad he's currently got an intern at every town and city hall in Massachusetts challenging the petitions of the the independent candidate and the secondary democratic candidate.
    And he isn't even ASKING to examine Warren's or his OWN ballots. What happens when a signature or registration? The local registrar make ONE attempt, usually by phone (if a number is available) and mail. If there is no response within two weeks (in most towns), the voter's registration is invalidated.
    Besides the obvious consequence of the 'other' candidates having to get nearly twice as many signatures, voters may show up at the polls and find out the best they can do is a "provisional" ballot, which may not get counted at all.
    It's of course fair to not count the voter's signature on the petition, because the balloting rules are the rules... BUT REALLY... invalidate their registration?????
    Those fucks know exactly what they are doing and they are eliminating as many of those votes that after the primary are no longer pledged to the will probably in this case get behind Warren. Now, if those voters get to the polling place during the general election and get called on their voter registration. It happened to me last time Brown ran and I was furious. In all previous years since I have lived here, I have volunteered as a poll worker, only this year have a properly filed a letter recusing myself.
    So I dunno...
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    ORIGINAL: DomKen
    All these laws will do is disenfranchise honest people who are poor or disabled.



    Oh, bullshit. That's such a crock of crap.


    Seems to me that your local experience isn't exactly reflective of what's going on in the rest of the country.
    And it definitely at least in my state is a matter of scummy characters pulling dirty tricks. And we have realtime examples of legitimate voters being given hurdles to overcome to excercise their right.
    If I changed anything in your state, it would be to merely monitor 3rd party registration.


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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 9:53:21 PM   
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    Why did the Fed's de-regulate S & L's? The S & L's were about to go under because of regulations that capped the interest rates they could offer to depositors.


    Not exactly... that was a smaller aspect of de-regulation. It was of course used as a justification. A lot of well qualified analysts call that BS. The real demon for the states that failed (I headed the collection/enforcement arm in RISDIC in RI in the early 90s) The two largest issues were that these small banking concerns now all of a sudden were having to make large commercial loans to stay competitive with either inadequate or no insurance.
    In RI, it shouldn't have even happened, except that Ed Diprete got defeated in a gubernatorial race by Bruce Sundlun and on the eve of his innauguration, fellow republican George Herbert Walker Bush placed a call to the Fed and the following morning, the Fed ceased funding any inadequately and uninsured credit unions, causing a run on more than a dozen financial institutions.


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    RE: photo id required - 5/8/2012 10:59:15 PM   
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    ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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    ORIGINAL: DomKen
    You apparently have no idea how voter registration works.
    No matter who fills out a registration form it is up to th election commission, or equivalent, to verify the validity of each registration, in most places in the US all completed forms must be submitted even if the submitter has good reason to believe the registration is fraudulent. The most common way to verify a registration is to send a postcard, specifically a no forwarding service postcard, to each registrant. If hundreds of fraudulent registrations are all for one address then the election commission is certainly going to know something isn't kosher.
    BTW your fantasy never happened. ACORN did particpate in GOTV efforts like many other groups but after millions of dollars and many hours of investigations by right wingers their has never been a case where a ACORN fraudulent registration was allowed to vote.


    Happened in Ohio. People were allowed to register and vote on the same day. I think the "early voting" time was 2 weeks before the vote. Jennifer Brunner lost her job because she flat out refused to verify all the questionable registrations.

    I'm sorry I missed the story about those arrests for fraud. fraud is a felony. Again how about some proof and please spare me a WND or Powerline or some other trash site article. I wouldnt insult you by claiming Daily Kos as a source

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    RE: photo id required - 5/9/2012 2:25:15 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: DomKen
    You apparently have no idea how voter registration works.
    No matter who fills out a registration form it is up to th election commission, or equivalent, to verify the validity of each registration, in most places in the US all completed forms must be submitted even if the submitter has good reason to believe the registration is fraudulent. The most common way to verify a registration is to send a postcard, specifically a no forwarding service postcard, to each registrant. If hundreds of fraudulent registrations are all for one address then the election commission is certainly going to know something isn't kosher.
    BTW your fantasy never happened. ACORN did particpate in GOTV efforts like many other groups but after millions of dollars and many hours of investigations by right wingers their has never been a case where a ACORN fraudulent registration was allowed to vote.


    Happened in Ohio. People were allowed to register and vote on the same day. I think the "early voting" time was 2 weeks before the vote. Jennifer Brunner lost her job because she flat out refused to verify all the questionable registrations.

    Brunner prevailed in every court case and did not lose an election so she did not lose her job. Also the state did have the standard procedures for validating registrations and early votes that did not meet the eligibility requirements could be thrown out.

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