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thishereboi -> photo id required (5/4/2012 6:17:10 AM)

I remember several threads about how terrible the right was because they were pushing for a law to require a photo id at elections. I was told that it proved they were trying to stop the poor and minorities from voting. It proved they were racist. Now I questioned that at the time and still do. Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend. Does this mean they are trying to stop the poor and minorities from showing up? Where is the outrage about this? Will I now see threads about the Democratic voter suppression plan?

According to the email..."The caucus is a great opportunity to come out, meet other supporters in your area, and make your voice heard. And even though we already know that President Obama will be our nominee, it's important that we let him know we're standing with him, now and this November."

"Who can caucus: You must be 18 or older and registered to vote (or, if you'll be eligible to vote by November, you must pledge that you'll register by then).

What to expect: Bring proof that you live in the area served by the caucus location -- photo ID is required."

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.




Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 6:22:48 AM)

caucus are not el;ections. Why do we need a voter id law ehen we have no voter fraud case in point TX 4 cases of fraud and 7ook voters w/o an id explain again why 4 frauds justify 700k disenfranchised voters




Lucylastic -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 6:35:17 AM)

WHy arent you protesting about it??? seems to me a perfect opportunity to be outraged in person. I didnt get an email so I cant be outraged.
Plus most of the argument here was because most of the reasons voter id laws was the unpopular reasoning behind it...that there was massive voter fraud... AND the people who would have difficulty getting photo ID. You may not be allowed to say bring photo ID for voting(yet), but as its not an election, they can ask for your first born, that is YOUR decision/choice to go or not.
its not gonna stop you VOTING.




tj444 -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 6:49:42 AM)

Imo...

(a) the Democratic party is private and can regulate their own rules, sorta like rules that CM has a right to set up

(b) having photo id doesnt always actually prove that a person has citizenship as there are some states where you can get photo id without proving that.. so, imo, if they (at the voting booth) want tru proof of citizenship then they should require a birth certificate/passport/citizenship docs along with the photo id...

but thats jmo since i am not an American so its all pretty inconsequential to me in real life..




thompsonx -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 8:51:08 AM)

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I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


Don't you think it more productive to ask those who sent you the invitation that question rather than those of us who did not send it to you?




thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 3:11:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


Don't you think it more productive to ask those who sent you the invitation that question rather than those of us who did not send it to you?

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the people who sent the email are not the ones who said on this board that the only reason the repubs wanted people to show id at the voting booths was because they were trying to stop a certain segment of the population from voting. I just wanted to see if they felt differently when it was the democrats who were requiring it. And apparently they do.




littlewonder -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 3:33:39 PM)

When I lived in PA, a few years back there was a problem with some people voting twice or others coming in who weren't registered to vote or people voting in more than one area or in the wrong area. So after that, they started making people come in with photo id's and they would be ticked off a list as living in their voting area and a name written in a book so they made sure you could only come in once.

Yeah, your vote was still private. You just had to prove who you were and where you lived because of the problems.

It had nothing at all to do with keeping the poor or minorities from voting and I doubt that is the point in most places.




joether -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 3:46:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I remember several threads about how terrible the right was because they were pushing for a law to require a photo id at elections. I was told that it proved they were trying to stop the poor and minorities from voting. It proved they were racist. Now I questioned that at the time and still do. Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend. Does this mean they are trying to stop the poor and minorities from showing up? Where is the outrage about this? Will I now see threads about the Democratic voter suppression plan?

According to the email..."The caucus is a great opportunity to come out, meet other supporters in your area, and make your voice heard. And even though we already know that President Obama will be our nominee, it's important that we let him know we're standing with him, now and this November."

"Who can caucus: You must be 18 or older and registered to vote (or, if you'll be eligible to vote by November, you must pledge that you'll register by then).

What to expect: Bring proof that you live in the area served by the caucus location -- photo ID is required."

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


I believe its more likely for the Taliban to report its 'soldiers' to the UN than the GOP to state the percentage of voter fraud in each state/commonwealth/location of the country (46 states, 4 commonwealths, and 6 locations), not to mention 'abstentee ballots' from Americans overseas or the serving abroad in the US Armed Forces. Now why do you suppose that is?

We would find that vote fraud accounts for less than two to three percentage of the full total. In fact, most people in the USA do not go out and vote that could. That should be even more alarming to us as citizens, that a sizable percentage of Americans do not even bother to go to the polls and vote on stuff. Not a local/town, state, or federal levels. But yet, we should create laws and regulations that pertain to something that takes place, at best, only 2-3% of the time?

I've held the opinion, that one need only state who and where they live to go vote. That's the way it was done in Colonial America after that big war with the King of England. Funny that Republicans, in their zealous manners to have things 'back in the days of the 13 states' they overlook this very obvious concept. If someone believes that I am NOT who I say I am and/or where I live, its up to them to present the burden of proof! Why should I have to violate my own 4th Amendment right to applease some fear-mongering Republican moron whom doesnt have an arguement to begin with? Last I checked, the 4th amendment trumps state laws. To bad most people will just go blindly to the polls, showing their ID and giving up one of their most precious freedoms....freely.

Heck, the grand majority of Americans couldn't rattle off what the 3rd Amendment talks about! You expect them to know what the 4th Amendment is define as in the Bill of Rights?




thompsonx -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:16:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


Don't you think it more productive to ask those who sent you the invitation that question rather than those of us who did not send it to you?

`

the people who sent the email are not the ones who said on this board that the only reason the repubs wanted people to show id at the voting booths was because they were trying to stop a certain segment of the population from voting. I just wanted to see if they felt differently when it was the democrats who were requiring it. And apparently they do.


The people who sent you the invite aren't asking for your id to vote. When they do then your rant would have some validity.




Lucylastic -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:19:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


Don't you think it more productive to ask those who sent you the invitation that question rather than those of us who did not send it to you?

`

the people who sent the email are not the ones who said on this board that the only reason the repubs wanted people to show id at the voting booths was because they were trying to stop a certain segment of the population from voting. I just wanted to see if they felt differently when it was the democrats who were requiring it. And apparently they do.

And you conveniently missed the REASON why
again




Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:21:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
I remember several threads about how terrible the right was because they were pushing for a law to require a photo id at elections. I was told that it proved they were trying to stop the poor and minorities from voting. It proved they were racist. Now I questioned that at the time and still do. Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend. Does this mean they are trying to stop the poor and minorities from showing up? Where is the outrage about this? Will I now see threads about the Democratic voter suppression plan?

According to the email..."The caucus is a great opportunity to come out, meet other supporters in your area, and make your voice heard. And even though we already know that President Obama will be our nominee, it's important that we let him know we're standing with him, now and this November."

"Who can caucus: You must be 18 or older and registered to vote (or, if you'll be eligible to vote by November, you must pledge that you'll register by then).

What to expect: Bring proof that you live in the area served by the caucus location -- photo ID is required."

I guess if you are a member of a racial minority, student or young voter, working poor, elderly or disabled, they don't want you there. After all that's what I was told it meant when the other side asks for it.


I believe its more likely for the Taliban to report its 'soldiers' to the UN than the GOP to state the percentage of voter fraud in each state/commonwealth/location of the country (46 states, 4 commonwealths, and 6 locations), not to mention 'abstentee ballots' from Americans overseas or the serving abroad in the US Armed Forces. Now why do you suppose that is?

We would find that vote fraud accounts for less than two to three percentage of the full total. In fact, most people in the USA do not go out and vote that could. That should be even more alarming to us as citizens, that a sizable percentage of Americans do not even bother to go to the polls and vote on stuff. Not a local/town, state, or federal levels. But yet, we should create laws and regulations that pertain to something that takes place, at best, only 2-3% of the time?

I've held the opinion, that one need only state who and where they live to go vote. That's the way it was done in Colonial America after that big war with the King of England. Funny that Republicans, in their zealous manners to have things 'back in the days of the 13 states' they overlook this very obvious concept. If someone believes that I am NOT who I say I am and/or where I live, its up to them to present the burden of proof! Why should I have to violate my own 4th Amendment right to applease some fear-mongering Republican moron whom doesnt have an arguement to begin with? Last I checked, the 4th amendment trumps state laws. To bad most people will just go blindly to the polls, showing their ID and giving up one of their most precious freedoms....freely.

Heck, the grand majority of Americans couldn't rattle off what the 3rd Amendment talks about! You expect them to know what the 4th Amendment is define as in the Bill of Rights?

The Bush DOJ made finding voter fraud apriority they spent millions end result 120 charged 86 convicted most wer e gven a slap on the wrist because it wasnt actual fraud it was actula explainable error. It is ironic to me Ann Coulter committed voter fraud and if held to the standards she wanted she'd be in jailhttp://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=4019 and she previously had an apt in NY and a Home in FLA and used her Parents address to register to vote in CT....sniff sniff




DaddySatyr -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:28:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I remember several threads about how terrible the right was because they were pushing for a law to require a photo id at elections. I was told that it proved they were trying to stop the poor and minorities from voting. It proved they were racist. Now I questioned that at the time and still do. Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend. Does this mean they are trying to stop the poor and minorities from showing up? Where is the outrage about this? Will I now see threads about the Democratic voter suppression plan?



You'll have to wait until this hits the national level or until someone asks the DNC. At that point, the DNC will establish some "talking points" and then, the PPLs here (and around the country) will be able to come up with some kind of answer. It probably won't make sense or it might even be just mis-directed clap-trap but, it will be words (almost intelligible, even).

Since it is "just a caucus", I would say that it's actually an attempt by the DNC to make people who don't have a photo ID (according to those aforementioned threads; the elderly, the poor, and the non-citizens) feel less than welcome. After all, I'm told their's is the party of inclusion.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




SternSkipper -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:36:40 PM)

quote:

You'll have to wait until this hits the national level or until someone asks the DNC. At that point, the DNC will establish some "talking points" and then, the PPLs here (and around the country) will be able to come up with some kind of answer. It probably won't make sense or it might even be just mis-directed clap-trap but, it will be words (almost intelligible, even).


Or if you werren't blocking half the country you'd see that the question HAD ACTUALLY been answered.




Dom4subssub4doms -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 4:53:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I remember several threads about how terrible the right was because they were pushing for a law to require a photo id at elections. I was told that it proved they were trying to stop the poor and minorities from voting. It proved they were racist. Now I questioned that at the time and still do. Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend. Does this mean they are trying to stop the poor and minorities from showing up? Where is the outrage about this? Will I now see threads about the Democratic voter suppression plan?



You'll have to wait until this hits the national level or until someone asks the DNC. At that point, the DNC will establish some "talking points" and then, the PPLs here (and around the country) will be able to come up with some kind of answer. It probably won't make sense or it might even be just mis-directed clap-trap but, it will be words (almost intelligible, even).

Since it is "just a caucus", I would say that it's actually an attempt by the DNC to make people who don't have a photo ID (according to those aforementioned threads; the elderly, the poor, and the non-citizens) feel less than welcome. After all, I'm told their's is the party of inclusion.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


is a caucus an election? Whydo we need those id laws?




thishereboi -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 6:26:51 PM)

quote:

is a caucus an election? Whydo we need those id laws?


Well from the answers I have read so far it looks like this....if the repubs ask for id, it's because they are trying to oppress a portion of the people from participating. If the dems do it, it's ok and they don't have an ulterior motive.




kalikshama -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 8:31:43 PM)

[image]http://fryingpannews.org/files/2011/12/voter-fraud-chart.jpg[/image]




kalikshama -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 8:41:50 PM)

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Today I received an email asking me to participate in this saturdays caucus and it says I have to have a photo id to attend.

It's practice for the general election [:D]

http://www.lwvmi.org/

Voter suppression

The League of Women Voters believes that voting is a fundamental citizen right that must be guaranteed. The League has long supported the integrity of the voting process. A series of measures, including requiring a photo ID when voting absentee, have recently been introduced in the Michigan legislature. These new requirements would erect unnecessary barriers to voting. "The League believes that voting should be fair and safe, but erecting unnecessary barriers to voting, such as requiring photo ID, is not fair and is not needed for voting to be safe," says LWVMI President Sue Smith. We are concerned that the new laws, if passed, could disproportionately suppress turnout of younger voters, minorities and low-income voters.

The proposed effort to suppress voting in Michigan is part of a nation-wide push that relies on two falsehoods: (1) that voter fraud in the form of voter impersonation is rampant and (2) that every honest voter can easily produce a photo ID . The first premise, that voter fraud in the form of voter impersonation is rampant, is not true. Clerks who run our elections have attested that there is no evidence of voter impersonation in Michigan. Michigan has strong election laws to protect the integrity of our elections. Michigan already establishes the identity of voters by means of the Qualified Voter File, the state's voter registration data base. Additional identification in the form of a photo ID is not necessary.

The second premise, that everyone can easily produce a photo ID is also false. Obtaining the necessary documents, such as an original birth certificate, can be costly and difficult. Some voters don't have an original birth certificate. A person's inability to take time off from work as well as the lack of transportation and/or mobility make it hard for some voters to get the photo identification they would need.

LWVMI has taken an active role of fighting these voter suppression laws in Michigan by challenging their necessity in Senate hearings (see testimony given 11-2-11 before the Senate Local Government and Elections Committee) , House of Representatives hearings (see testimony given 4-17-12 before the Michigan House Redistricting and Elections Committee) and working to alert our members and the public to join with us in fighting this legislation. Click here to view our advocacy initiatives to work against voter suppression in Michigan, and join us in our campaign to guarantee every Michigan citizen the right to vote.

Voting law changes that passed the MI Senate on February 14 are "an attempt to suppress the vote either by making it harder for people to register to vote or by making it harder for them to vote at the polls," said LWVMI President Sue Smith in one of many, post-vote radio interviews. The bills require MI voters to present photo ID when registering to vote and obtaining an absentee ballot in person. Certification and training requirements for groups that register people to vote would also be required. The bills now move to the House.

Pres. Sue Smith comments on the bills and their impact in a live chat with Rep. Barb Bryum. (click here to watch the video)




jlf1961 -> RE: photo id required (5/4/2012 9:27:08 PM)

Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud.




vincentML -> RE: photo id required (5/5/2012 12:45:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Look, I feel that there should be some proof of citizenship, and there should be some system to prevent voter fraud.


Voter fraud is a well honored American tradition. It has always been tolerated at the margin. A few deceased voters here or there. Obviously, this recent spat of Legislation is a Republican War on the Dead.




SternSkipper -> RE: photo id required (5/5/2012 12:54:05 PM)

quote:

Obviously, this recent spat of Legislation is a Republican War on the Dead.


That's only because they've seen how much more life-like the mannequins from the nuclear test sites look and their garages are now full . They never should've made the movie "The Hills Have Eyes".




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