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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 1:12:36 AM   
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So. . . let me get the math straight.

George Zimmerman, is 1/4th black. Which makes him white.

Warren is 1/32 Native American. Which makes her not-white?

The math is not adding up.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 5:09:22 AM   
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Elizabeth Warren's "Birther" moment

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Despite her [Elizabeth Warren's] personal belief in her origins, her opponents have seized this moment in an unnecessary fire drill that guarantees media attention and forestalls real debate.

This tactic is straight from the Republican cookbook of fake controversy. First, you need a rarefied elected office typically occupied by a certain breed of privileged men. Both the Presidency and the Senate fit this bill. Second, add a bit of interracial intrigue. It could be Kenyan economists eloping with Midwestern anthropologists, or white frontiersmen pairing with indigenous women. Third, throw in some suspicion about their qualifications and ambitions. Last but not least, demand documentation of ancestry and be dissatisfied upon its receipt. Voila! You have a genuine birther movement.

The Republican approach to race is to feign that it is irrelevant — until it becomes politically advantageous to bring it up. Birthers question Obama’s state of origin (and implicitly his multiracial heritage) in efforts to disqualify him from the presidency. They characterize him as “other.” For Warren, Massachusetts Republicans place doubts on her racial claims to portray her as an opportunistic academic seeking special treatment. In both birther camps, opponents look to ancestral origins as the smoking gun, and ride the ambiguity for the duration...

For the Cherokee Nation, Elizabeth Warren is “Indian enough”; she has the same blood quantum as Cherokee Nation Chief Bill John Baker. For non-Natives, this may be surprising. They expect to see “high cheekbones,” as Warren described her grandfather as having, or tan skin. They want to know of pow wows, dusty reservations, sweat lodges, peyote and cheap cigarettes.


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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 1:15:18 PM   
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The Republican approach to race is to feign that it is irrelevant — until it becomes politically advantageous to bring it up. Birthers question Obama’s state of origin (and implicitly his multiracial heritage) in efforts to disqualify him from the presidency. They characterize him as “other.” For Warren, Massachusetts Republicans place doubts on her racial claims to portray her as an opportunistic academic seeking special treatment. In both birther camps, opponents look to ancestral origins as the smoking gun, and ride the ambiguity for the duration...


Which is EXACTLY what the OP and a few ripely scented posts by sycophantic pals really express. If they didn't he wouldn't have to CONSTANTLY re-invent the story-line.
Scot Brown and the other disingenuous creeps riding the wave of birther nut jobs need to either ADMIT that's what they're doing and knock it off. I love how they recruit the crazy now. The very same crazy fringe element they used to ridicule. But it fits so neatly into a platform that is SO based on conspiracy theory crap it looks like the old "Gemstone Files" than used to kick around the Internet. Ludicrous with a CAPITAL FUCKING "L" .
And as I was treated to an example of in an email this afternoon, what we see here in the forum from the deep thinkers (or should a mod button-happy, bottom feeders) is this intellectually tragic attacking of the liberal poster's character implying they have difficulty living with themselves while boohooing that THEY are the poor victim of a 'personal attack' ... Can I get a hand job with that?
You know what will impress me? When I see them discussing GOP platform without even mentioning the opposition. Because i am pretty sure they can't put anything forth without captioning it with BS about socialism, the other party, or some other divisive horseshit.
Go ahead and prove I'm wrong republicans... start posting informationally as opposed to these feeble attack ads. You'd be shocked at how willing we are to talk common sense and about real issues, we'll be happy to match ya.
Otherwise quit hiding behind the boohoo act while throwing rocks. it's so metrosexual.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 7:46:56 PM   
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What a blathering you've found, Fightdirecto. Spin, spin, spin, blah, blah, blah, then make wild accusations about Republicans and hope, hope, hope, like a muthafucker, that nobody calls you on your bullshit. Ain't happening.

Elizabeth Warren took that little bit of ancestry, great-great-great-grandma, and she used it, just because she could.

I came across something interesting today, it even mentions people at exactly the same connection Ms. Warren has.

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Actually, the more I think about the non-Indians--or people with very, very tenuous Indian ancestry who know nothing about the culture--trying to be Indians, the more I think it's not so bad. I will admit, I can get very annoyed by wanna-be's. Especially, when I was younger they used to think I knew about drugs, and I could get them magic mushrooms or something. Now they just think I can get them a spirit guide. I guess that's progress. But anyway, my point is this: assimilation has devastated us. They took us and sent us to boarding schools as children to rob us of our languages. They made our religions illegal. They turned our culture into something for history class only. Now, some yuppie white girl finds out she had a Cherokee great-great-great-grandmother, or somebody says she did, and she wants to be a Cherokee. Well, why not? In the past, a lot of Indians had rituals where you could take the place of the dead. So if someone killed my son, maybe he could end our families' fighting by giving me one of his sons, to take the place of the one he killed. Maybe these "wannabes" have come to take the place of what we have lost. Why not accept them? Not make them citizens of our nations, perhaps, but let's take them in and teach them our ways and our languages and help them raise their children to be some of us. Maybe they do have a little bit of Indian blood and it's finding its way back to us. That's what I think. White people assimilated us. Why turn away those who want to assimilate back?


Now I happen to think this is a pretty good approach and attitude. My own 3/16 blood quantum doesn't matter a bit to me, but the 3/32 I pass along might very well become significant to the next generation. Perhaps they will choose to seek out and embrace the traditions, learn the language and participate in keeping it alive, explore the culture, learn the dances and stories. But they don't get to go after the goodies.

Is that what Elizabeth Warren did, though? Did she seek out the tribe and traditions? It isn't hard to do, in Oklahoma. Nope. Learn and live the ways and language? Nope. She says she checked the box in hopes that it would somehow, maybe a luncheon, come to her. And then, when the teacher had the gig at Harvard locked in, and Harvard had held her up as a symbol of their "diversity," did her lifelong connection to those wonderful cheekbones inspire her to give back to the ticked box heritage that sure as hell hadn't hurt on her rise? Hmmm... That's when she stopping ticking the box.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 7:51:20 PM   
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She's fucking fantastic. If ever there was someone who is direct, plain spoken, and on the side of the consumer and banking customer, its Elizabeth Warren.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 8:15:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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I heard that she'll claim to be a Kennedy next


Perhaps someone who has experience CLAIMING to be a cop should step in and coach her.



Nah, she's been lying to you fools in Massivetwoshits for years, she doesn't need my help... Got proof I'm not a cop?




You did state just a few days ago that you were not cop.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 8:17:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

So. . . let me get the math straight.

George Zimmerman, is 1/4th black. Which makes him white.

Warren is 1/32 Native American. Which makes her not-white?

The math is not adding up.

Perhaps you should brush up on your math?
If you are done being obtuse.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 8:21:55 PM   
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My opinions on your opinions.........




But since I'm still saying that it was a bullshit claim, made to play in a bullshit game, I won't be feeling any need to worry about that much, will I?




What is bullshit is your post whining that you are unhappy with who she is.
Your post fail to point out anything that she has done either illegal or unthical yet because you wish to post up your umbridge that she gets more than you your post somehow hint that she is not entitled to say the truth about her ancestry.

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 8:40:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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I heard that she'll claim to be a Kennedy next


Perhaps someone who has experience CLAIMING to be a cop should step in and coach her.



Nah, she's been lying to you fools in Massivetwoshits for years, she doesn't need my help... Got proof I'm not a cop?




You did state just a few days ago that you were not cop.


I did? Care to prove that?


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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 9:41:39 PM   
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Not sure how remotely relevant to the thread this is, but when you have a head full of trivia, you sometimes times can't stop yourself.

Edith Bolling Galt Wilson--Woodrow's second wife, whom he married in 1915, while in office--was a direct descendant of Pocahontas, and this connection was a source of deep pride. To this day, four images of the Indian princess adorn Mrs. Wilson's bedroom in DC's Woodrow Wilson House, where the couple spent the rest of their lives after leaving office. (I work as a part-time guide there, and pointing out Pocahontas always gets under my skin a bit, because she was the one answer I missed on Jeopardy!)




Mrs. Wilson was nine (I think) generations removed from Pocahontas and lily white, but that didn't stop her from cherishing that bit of heritage. (It probably helped that Pocahontas was a princess; Mrs. Wilson had a snobbish streak.)

Interestingly, her "Indian blood" was also an issue for some White House servants, recorded maid-memoirist Lilian Rogers Parks. Some of the butlers grumbled at having to serve an "Indian." And a concerned citizen wrote to the scold the President for breaking the law (which then forbade providing alcohol for Indians) by pouring wine for the First Lady!

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RE: What? No Elizabeth Warren thread? - 5/7/2012 10:35:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

So. . . let me get the math straight.

George Zimmerman, is 1/4th black. Which makes him white.

Warren is 1/32 Native American. Which makes her not-white?

The math is not adding up.



True dat.



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