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Zonie63 -> RE: France (5/10/2012 11:02:05 AM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
I asked you for sources to back up your rhetoric. So far you have been unable to do so as your own source contradicts you.
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I think you have me confused with someone else.
Then you are mistaken.
Obviously, I'm not mistaken since you've attributed a post written by YSG to me.
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Here is your post
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As far as beleif in god, yes, it was illegal in the old Soviet Union, and beleivers of all faiths were persecuted, especially during the Stalin and Brezhnev eras. However, Russia today makes no such laws, to my knowledge.
I did not write this. YSG did. I responded because you pulled this same disingenuous nonsense with me a few weeks ago, so I thought I would take the opportunity to set you straight on the matter.
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I then went on to point out where the source you cited contradicted your position.
How so? My position is that religious people were persecuted in the old Soviet Union, and the sources I cited agreed with that position. The only point of contention here is that YSG said that religion was "illegal," which is incorrect. However, I did not say that religion was illegal in the Soviet Union, so you're mischaracterizing my position.
If you can't be bothered to look at the names of the posters you're responding to, don't blame me.
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In history there are no good guys and bad guys only the shit that happens. If you want to have good guys and bad guys go discuss sociology.
I am not an apologist for anyone. I point out that in the history of russia the tsars protocol for control was vastly different than the bolshiviks. The state under the tsar had all power over all of the assets of the state...same same for the bolshiviks. The differences are in how that power was exercised. For example how exactly does collectivization differ fom agribiz?
You mean, apart from the famine and mass murder?
That you take an amoral view on history is your own business, but I think that most reasonable people would agree that mass murderers would be rightly considered "bad guys." The Tsar was also a mass murderer, so he was a bad guy, too.
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I don't know how you could have served in the U.S. military or gotten a high security clearance with political views like yours, so I have reason to doubt your claims in that area.
In the u.s. we are allowed to hold any political opinion we choose...were you not aware of that?
Top secret is not a particularly high clearance. All commissioned officers have a ts. All warrent officers have a ts. All enlisted men in a "tech" mos will have at least secret clearance and depending on the hardware they work on many have ts clearances.
Perhaps you should take your doubts to the va maybe they will revoke my id card and stop my welfare checks.
Of course I was aware that we can hold any political opinion we choose, but those who hold extremist views, whether pro-communist or pro-fascist, would be considered suspicious in sensitive positions. Maybe you were cagey enough back then to conceal your political positions - or perhaps your views changed over time. Obviously, you're not going to tell us, and to be honest, it's hard to believe anything you say.
I should just put you on ignore and be done with you, but despite our disagreements, you seem like a rather fascinating character. I don't get to meet very many people like you in real life, so I guess I'm just somewhat bemused by your presence here.
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