thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961 France's new president faces a budget crisis for the country. Read one story here. Look, I am a democrat and a moderate liberal. I will admit that I agree with the idea of universal health care, however, nobody has come up with a good way to fund such a program. Free college tuition is a good idea on paper, but someone explain to me how you are going to pay for it. IF, and that is a big word, the United States closed loopholes in the corporate tax laws, it would do a great deal to get rid of the deficit in our own country, but it would not fund universal health care OR free college tuition. France is in the same boat as far as government revenues are concerned. You can have all the social programs you want but you have to pay for those programs. Would you hazard a guess as to the amount of money that is spent on corporate welfare in the u.s.? Would you hazard a guess as to the amount of money that is spent on the constant war that the u.s. is involved in? Would you hazard a guess as to the value of the comodoties the govt gives to private capitalist to sell? We are speaking here of oil,gas,coal,timber,gold silver etc. The natural resources of the u.s. are the exclusive property of the citizens of the u.s. and are currently leased for a pittance to private individuals for private profit at the public expense. Is it possible that if the govt were to cater to the needs of all of it's citizens instead of just the rich that there would be sufficient funds to cover all social programs with the taxes now in place? quote:
The current costs of BOTH wars is $1,329,772,000,000 plus. For the record I think we should get all of our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. According to th census bureau there are about 181k college students in the u.s.1,329,772,000,000/181,000=$7,346,806.63 per student. quote:
Corporate Welfare costs the Federal government billions with no real amount listed. Now, as for natural resources, being a land owner, I can tell you that the minerals under my land are MINE, according to the mineral rights. So the resources belong not to the American People but to the people who own the mineral rights to those resources. Sorry buy you are misinformed, most resources in this country are privately owned. Not true except in the most rare of circumstances. If you have a mortgage you do not have mineral rights to the land you occupy the lien holder does. Most property in this country is owned by lien holders and not the resident. Thus the mineral rights to those properties are held by corporate interest and not private individuals. Also consider how you and most everyone else in the u.s. acquied your property. If you trace it back your title will eventually come from the federal govt. which may or may not attach the mineral rights to the deed. Most corporatins do not own the land or the minerals rights under thier store. To my knowledge Sears is the only corp. to demand and get ownership of the land their stores sit on in shopping malls. quote:
Resources on public land are owned by the public but are mined or otherwise processed by independent companies per agreement with the federal government, and the government has made great strides in controlling those resources. When the govt gets .50 per acre for a mining lease that is developing a million ouncs of gold a year how is that controling anything? quote:
One more point on this, per agreements in the 70's, resources found on Indian Reservations are under the control of the tribal governments and owned by the tribe collectively. It is interesting to note that the defense department still carries reservations on the books as "prisoner of war camps". quote:
Private ownership of natural resources are part of capitalism. Nowhere in the constitution do I find any reference to the u.s. being constituted as a capitalist nation quote:
Most people who deal in large tracts of land negotiate the ownership of mineral rights to that land. Walmart will not purchase any land unless they have full mineral rights to that land. Most corporations operate in the same fashion. Most people do not deal in large tracts of land,captalist corporations do. So it would appear that your point is that capitalist corporations are land owners and have the mineral rights but normal citizens do not. quote:
Unfortunately, the government is influenced by who has the money, the Republicans are great examples. They would rather worry about corporate or the interests of the wealthy rather than the interests of everyone. I remain unconvinced of any signifigant difference between the demopubs and the republicrats. quote:
HOWEVER, IF the tax laws for corporations were redone so that companies like GE paid taxes instead of paying zero taxes, Federal revenues would be increased, but I dont think that would provide enough money to cover ALL the social programs that some extreme liberals want. As I said, social programs have to be paid for. To do that you have to raise revenues, and the Republicans are fighting the very things needed to raise revenues, i.e taxes. I suppose it is dificult to manage ones expenses at university on a mere 7 million a year.
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