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I posted the court decision in an earlier post. There were warrants. I also read the underlying documents from the original Federal court case, particularly the memorandums submitted by defense counsel. He never made any argument that the defendant didn't know that he was illegal, although when originally questioned, the defendant said he was "unsure".
As for your contention that immigrants are not aware of various laws, defense counsel had this to say, in his client's defense:
Counsel would submit that other than being here illegally, illegal aliens are probably the
most law-abiding people in the United States. They, better than most, know of how bad their homeland is and don’t want to go back there
I certainly saw no hint in any of the documents that he did not know that he was illegal, or was ignorant about the requirements of the law, for what it is worth. In fact, when questioned later, he admitted being in the country illegally. He was actually in possession of three guns, one of which was an AK 47.
In a larger sense, though, are you trying to say that ignorance of the law should be a defense? Because it isn't. Or are you trying to say that only in the case of illegal immigrants should it be a defense, because they are "passive"?
This case was a facial challenge to the 1968 law, which the court found to be constitutional, as have 2 other Circuits, the 5th and the 8th.
I would be happy to send you a copy of the charging document, if you would like to see it and I can figure out how to do it. It is a PDF, and I can't get it to copy to a post.
No, what i wondered was, did he own the guns before he found out he was illegal? It was just more my curiousity as it seems 18 year olds can buy firearms (depending on the state requirements, etc).. My thing about them being passive was more that they generally dont do anything to call attention to themselves.. So yes, I would agree that illegals are usually very law abiding.. which is why this case surprised me.. for an illegal to have firearms, more than one, is very unusual (to take that kind of risk).. which is also why i was wondering about the search warrants.. what caused them to be issued..
As for kids falling in love with a non-American.. the heart wants what the heart wants.. it might not be intended to happen but many times just happens.. My mother was not born Canadian,.. some of my fathers brothers and sisters were very against their marriage,.. I felt that as a child, the dislike simply cuz my mother was born in the wrong country.. That kind of thing can tear families apart..
As far as anchor babies go and thinking they should be sent back too.. its not that simple.. other countries have their own citizenship laws and might not allow them in at all.. Just because my mother was German does not give me German citizenship (even had my father also been German).. What is a citizen is becoming quite a problem for some people, for instance, if an American woman living outside of the US has invitro, the govt wants proof that the baby is genetically hers before they give the baby US citizenship.. if she has had to use donor eggs, then what? it becomes a worse problem if she/a couple uses a surrogote outside the US,.. even if the baby is 100% genetically theirs, the baby must be adopted.. Of course its not just the US that has these problems, but it all hinges on what each country accepts is one of their citizens or isnt..
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