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Then perhaps you will be kind enough to point out specifically where the US Constitution authorises or protects seditious calls for "armed revolution" against the constitutionally elected Government and President. Because I for one am unaware of any such provisions.

Really? Then you should read it sometime. The First and Second Amendments are in part crafted to protect the right of the People to foment a rebellion and to assure they have the means to raise one.

K.

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The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies;...

While I am in support of revolution when it is necessary, and there has been at least one time in American history when it was necessary, the case for any current revolution has not been made as it was in the document quoted. There is definite concern over Constitutional over-reach by the current President, as there were with the previous President. Neither has yet to reach the level of despotism and tyranny requiring armed revolution. Re-election of President Obama would still not constitute adequate indications for armed revolution, either.

I do believe Ponch McPhee needs to have some sort of consequence to his writing. You have the right to say whatever the fuck you want, but if what you say brings about negative consequences (that are legal), deal it.

IMO, Ponch is going to have to - and should - deal with some legal (as opposed to illegal) consequences.

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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies;...

While I am in support of revolution when it is necessary, and there has been at least one time in American history when it was necessary, the case for any current revolution has not been made as it was in the document quoted. There is definite concern over Constitutional over-reach by the current President, as there were with the previous President. Neither has yet to reach the level of despotism and tyranny requiring armed revolution. Re-election of President Obama would still not constitute adequate indications for armed revolution, either.

I do believe Ponch McPhee needs to have some sort of consequence to his writing. You have the right to say whatever the fuck you want, but if what you say brings about negative consequences (that are legal), deal it.

IMO, Ponch is going to have to - and should - deal with some legal (as opposed to illegal) consequences.

thanks althugh i disagree qwith the idea of constitutionaol over reach I commend you for being the only conservative to condemn the writings. I hasd no stomach for the Bush as a nazi liberal myself.


The thing I would say to others is this isnt a lone event references to sedition, seccdession, armed conflict, the next revoloutiobn have come from the mouths of not the fringe right jiust the far right th elast few years. it is distrurbing when the minority speak of vilence to over throw the will of a majority and thre ide a what followed wouldn't be textbook tyranny is absurd. thre far right has made ansurd charges against this President. Does anyone remeber the Americorps reeducation camps?

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Re-election of President Obama would still not constitute adequate indications for armed revolution, either.

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What do we call it when a group prevents a free and fair elction result from standing? We call it tyranny

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Should the entire Democratic party be condemed because one county organization put Obama's face an the U S flag and Democrats did not flock to denounce it. Did you denounce it or will you claim ignorance again?

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Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.

1) I am not a member of Mr. Maher's party organization or his show's staff.

2) Until you wrote this, I was unaware Mr. Maher ever said this - but then, I do not listen to his shows as I do not have cable TV.

Classic False eqivilancy argument/fallacy - have you denounced Reverend Fred Phelps for his sermons at the Westboro Church?

After all, you probably have as much personal or professional connection with Reverend Phelps as I have with Bill Maher. and

POT MEET KETTLE...

You're not a member of the Greene county Republican party either, therefore it's not up to you to say who should speak out, or up... IOW STFU.

This is a nonsensical point to make. There is a big difference between a member of a 'mainstream' political party making calls for "armed revolution" in an official GOP newsletter (properly described as "sedition") and media antics. IOW there is zero equivalence again.

It is a gravely serious matter when an official of a major political party advocates illegal violent revolution to attain power against the expressed democratic wishes of the US people. The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Not to mention the rule of law, a matter supposedly close to every conservative heart or so they would have us believe ....

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Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.

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What a crock of shit, McPhee is the EDITOR of a newsletter, that's it... He's no more an official of the GOP than I am. How is this any different than ANY opinion piece printed in the NYT, or on TV by a Pundit?

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Not if you're Australian it doesn't:

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It differs in that the newsletter McPhee edits is published by the GOP.

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~ all this rip roar Media hype..... is all about.....being armed with the voices of We the people.....you must arm yourself with a spoken word to be heard ~ just as the founding fathers spoke out during the revolution......So, Yes, arm yourself with many voices for the people and by the people....as your constitution allows....should the vote fail ....this November or at anytime......

~ Being Armed with Your Voices of We The People is The Only Way if Any Vote Should Fail No Matter Who You Vote for ~

" your voice being heard is the best method "

~ God Bless America ~ http://www.gcrcgop.com/

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How? Oh that's right, it differs because it's from the GOP, those rat bastards!

Again, the guy is an editor, not a ranking member of the GOP. There is a disclaimer on the news letter already, what more do you fucking want?

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The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.

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It differs in that the newsletter McPhee edits is published by the GOP.

How? Oh that's right, it differs because it's from the GOP, those rat bastards!

Again, the guy is an editor, not a ranking member of the GOP. There is a disclaimer on the news letter already, what more do you fucking want?

THOUGHTS AREN'T ILLEGAL.

Perhaps this

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~ all this rip roar Media hype..... is all about.....being armed with the voices of We the people.....you must arm yourself with a spoken word to be heard ~ just as the founding fathers spoke out during the revolution......So, Yes, arm yourself with many voices for the people and by the people....as your constitution allows....should the vote fail ....this November or at anytime......

~ Being Armed with Your Voices of We The People is The Only Way if Any Vote Should Fail No Matter Who You Vote for ~

" your voice being heard is the best method "

~ God Bless America ~ http://www.gcrcgop.com/

is what McPhee is talking about, and FD is lying out of his ass, like he always does.

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How? Oh that's right, it differs because it's from the GOP, those rat bastards!

Again, the guy is an editor, not a ranking member of the GOP. There is a disclaimer on the news letter already, what more do you fucking want?

He's an editor employed by the GOP.
And, on his current showing, not a very competent one.

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~ all this rip roar Media hype..... is all about.....being armed with the voices of We the people.....you must arm yourself with a spoken word to be heard ~ just as the founding fathers spoke out during the revolution......So, Yes, arm yourself with many voices for the people and by the people....as your constitution allows....should the vote fail ....this November or at anytime......

~ Being Armed with Your Voices of We The People is The Only Way if Any Vote Should Fail No Matter Who You Vote for ~

" your voice being heard is the best method "

~ God Bless America ~

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18 USC § 2385 - Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.