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Fightdirecto -> GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 8:13:06 PM)

GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected

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The Greene County, Virginia Republican Committee publishes a monthly newsletter for members called “The Constitutional Conservatives.” The newsletter is heavy on Tea Party rhetoric about how Obama and liberals are ruining America, and so forth. But even by these standards, an item in the March newsletter stands out.

In the “Whitehouse Watchdog” column, editor Ponch McPhee says that American cannot survive four more years under Obama, a “political socialist ideologue” who is “unlike anything world history has ever witnessed or recognized.”

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We have before us a challenge to remove an ideologue unlike anything world history has ever witnessed or recognized.

An individual who has come to power within a Nation which yields it’s strength over the entire world.

An elected leader who shuns biblical praise, handicaps economic ability, disrespects the honor of earned military might.

In the coming days and weeks ~ we the people must come to grasp as a common force, our very soul’s, that our future as a sovereign nation is indeed at risk.

If every single individual that you know, would contact 25 other individuals ~ we can make a difference that will be heard across the Commonwealth and in Washington.

The ultimate task for the people is to remain vigilant and aware ~ that the government, their government is out of control, and this moment, this opportunity, must not be forsaken, must not escape us, for WE SHALL NOT HAVE ANY COURSE BUT ARMED REVOLUTION SHOULD WE FAIL WITH THE POWER OF THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER ~ This Republic cannot survive for 4 more years underneath this political socialist ideologue.


The Greene County GOP apparently realizes that McPhee and the newsletter are a potential liability, judging by the disclaimer on the back page claiming that views expressed are individual only.


As of yet, no other member of the Greene County GOP has denounced their newsletter's editor - so we can only assume that they all agree with him.

So, if the majority of the American voters once again decide to elect Barak Obama President this year - would this justify an "armed revolution" against the will of the majority of the American voters by the minority of the American voters who lost the election??




BamaD -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 8:19:55 PM)

Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.




Fightdirecto -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 8:29:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.


1) I am not a member of Mr. Maher's party organization or his show's staff.

2) Until you wrote this, I was unaware Mr. Maher ever said this - but then, I do not listen to his shows as I do not have cable TV.

Classic False eqivilancy argument/fallacy - have you denounced Reverend Fred Phelps for his sermons at the Westboro Church?

After all, you probably have as much personal or professional connection with Reverend Phelps as I have with Bill Maher.




subrob1967 -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 10:46:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.


1) I am not a member of Mr. Maher's party organization or his show's staff.

2) Until you wrote this, I was unaware Mr. Maher ever said this - but then, I do not listen to his shows as I do not have cable TV.

Classic False eqivilancy argument/fallacy - have you denounced Reverend Fred Phelps for his sermons at the Westboro Church?

After all, you probably have as much personal or professional connection with Reverend Phelps as I have with Bill Maher.


POT MEET KETTLE...

You're not a member of the Greene county Republican party either, therefore it's not up to you to say who should speak out, or up... IOW STFU.




tweakabelle -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 11:24:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.


1) I am not a member of Mr. Maher's party organization or his show's staff.

2) Until you wrote this, I was unaware Mr. Maher ever said this - but then, I do not listen to his shows as I do not have cable TV.

Classic False eqivilancy argument/fallacy - have you denounced Reverend Fred Phelps for his sermons at the Westboro Church?

After all, you probably have as much personal or professional connection with Reverend Phelps as I have with Bill Maher. and


POT MEET KETTLE...

You're not a member of the Greene county Republican party either, therefore it's not up to you to say who should speak out, or up... IOW STFU
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This is a nonsensical point to make. There is a big difference between a member of a 'mainstream' political party making calls for "armed revolution" in an official GOP newsletter (properly described as "sedition") and media antics. IOW there is zero equivalence again.

It is a gravely serious matter when an official of a major political party advocates illegal violent revolution to attain power against the expressed democratic wishes of the US people. The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Not to mention the rule of law, a matter supposedly close to every conservative heart or so they would have us believe ....




BamaD -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 11:37:25 PM)

I have heard of Westboro "church" and when I was selling sunday school supllies I refused to even talk to them. You are absolutly correct, since the vast majority of republicans have never heard of this guy it is absured to say their lack of condimnation constitutes agreement. That was the point I was making but I guess it was too subtle for you. Just because you haven't heard the condemnation doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Or because they think the disclaimer covers that. By the way have you denounced Bill Maher because one of his guests said that there would be a race war if Obama losses. No? then i guess you agree with that.


1) I am not a member of Mr. Maher's party organization or his show's staff.

2) Until you wrote this, I was unaware Mr. Maher ever said this - but then, I do not listen to his shows as I do not have cable TV.

Classic False eqivilancy argument/fallacy - have you denounced Reverend Fred Phelps for his sermons at the Westboro Church?

After all, you probably have as much personal or professional connection with Reverend Phelps as I have with Bill Maher. and


POT MEET KETTLE...

You're not a member of the Greene county Republican party either, therefore it's not up to you to say who should speak out, or up... IOW STFU
.

This is a nonsensical point to make. There is a big difference between a member of a 'mainstream' political party making calls for "armed revolution" in an official GOP newsletter (properly described as "sedition") and media antics. IOW there is zero equivalence again.

It is a gravely serious matter when an official of a major political party advocates illegal violent revolution to attain power against the expressed democratic wishes of the US people. The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.





BamaD -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 11:42:50 PM)

Should the entire Democratic party be condemed because one county organization put Obama's face an the U S flag and Democrats did not flock to denounce it. Did you denounce it or will you claim ignorance again?




tweakabelle -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/8/2012 11:58:46 PM)

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BamaD
I have heard of Westboro "church" and when I was selling sunday school supllies I refused to even talk to them. You are absolutly correct, since the vast majority of republicans have never heard of this guy it is absured to say their lack of condimnation constitutes agreement. That was the point I was making but I guess it was too subtle for you. Just because you haven't heard the condemnation doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is not a response to the point I was making. I said nothing about GOP rank and file or GOP supporters. I've no doubt most ordinary Republican supporters would be horrified by the antics of this nutcase.

The person responsible for this piece of petty sedition is an office holder within the GOP. It is for this reason that the
GOP is implicated as a party, and why it is incumbent upon the GOP, as a political party, to dissociate itself from this nutcase, and throw him out of the GOP, as I proposed in my post.




Kirata -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:06:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.




BamaD -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:21:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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BamaD
I have heard of Westboro "church" and when I was selling sunday school supllies I refused to even talk to them. You are absolutly correct, since the vast majority of republicans have never heard of this guy it is absured to say their lack of condimnation constitutes agreement. That was the point I was making but I guess it was too subtle for you. Just because you haven't heard the condemnation doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is not a response to the point I was making. I said nothing about GOP rank and file or GOP supporters. I've no doubt most ordinary Republican supporters would be horrified by the antics of this nutcase.

The person responsible for this piece of petty sedition is an office holder within the GOP. It is for this reason that the
GOP is implicated as a party, and why it is incumbent upon the GOP, as a political party, to dissociate itself from this nutcase, and throw him out of the GOP, as I proposed in my post.

So both he and the nutcase who replaced the stars in the flag with a picture of Obama at a couty Democratic headquarters in Florida should both be fired or both parties are evil beynd belief?




joether -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:24:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.



Its not 'freedom of speech' when one is willing to resort to violence and destruction to get what they want in a political forum. That's called 'treason'. Its one thing to say you do not like the chances of Mr. Obama being elected and the Democrats retaking the House. Its another when you state 'unless your demands are met, you'll (insert horrible and illegally violent stuff here)'. Is that how a Democratic Republic that has a document called a 'US Consitution' is suppose to work?

I'm sure law enforcement (i.e. the FBI) are keeping an eye on this situation and will take steps to protect people before things get out of hand. Still, it would be wise for the GOP at a national level to denounce this attitude quickly.




tweakabelle -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:25:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.


Then perhaps you will be kind enough to point out specifically where the US Constitution authorises or protects seditious calls for "armed revolution" against the constitutionally elected Government and President. Because I for one am unaware of any such provisions.




BamaD -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:25:44 AM)

You demanded my reaction to Westbrook then pretended that I brought it up and that it is not relevant.




erieangel -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:35:23 AM)

If I remember right, that flag you are complaining about was given to a Democratic party headquarters, flew for several weeks before anybody complained and voluntarily removed when veterans did complain, though no crime had been committed.

There seems to be a huge difference between that and an editorial in a GOP newsletter calling for armed rebellion if they don't get their way. Right there, that is a crime, it is called sedition, possibly even treason. For sure treason if republicans go that route after Obama is declared the winner.






tweakabelle -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:36:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You demanded my reaction to Westbrook then pretended that I brought it up and that it is not relevant.


If that is directed at me, BamaD, I am afraid I have no idea what you are referring to. I haven't mentioned "Westbrook" (Westboro ?) in this thread.

I'm beginning to believe you are confusing my posts with those of FlightDirector.




Kirata -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 12:52:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Then perhaps you will be kind enough to point out specifically where the US Constitution authorises or protects seditious calls for "armed revolution" against the constitutionally elected Government and President. Because I for one am unaware of any such provisions.

Really? Then you should read it sometime. The First and Second Amendments are in part crafted to protect the right of the People to foment a rebellion and to assure they have the means to raise one.

K.




joether -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 2:29:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Then perhaps you will be kind enough to point out specifically where the US Constitution authorises or protects seditious calls for "armed revolution" against the constitutionally elected Government and President. Because I for one am unaware of any such provisions.

Really? Then you should read it sometime. The First and Second Amendments are in part crafted to protect the right of the People to foment a rebellion and to assure they have the means to raise one.

K.



Neither one of them states it directly OR implies it!

The first explains that citizens have the right to "Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, and Freedom of the Press". It also states, they have the right to sue the goverment over greviance. If you believe a law tramped over your right to a firearm, you could 'sue' the goverment to show the law is unconstitutional and therefore must be removed. It doesnt state ANYWHERE in that amendment that persons have the right to 'main, maul, kill, destroy and drop atomic bombs on each other's heads'!

The second explains the concept of a 'well regulated militia'. That the role of said militia is to protect population from foreign elements (invasions by the English, French, Indians, Brigands, Bandits, etc) and domestic issues (riots, famine, floods, highwaymen preying on travelers, etc). And that those in the milita have a rank akin to a professional military (Sergeant, Captain, Colonel, etc), and should have their arms ready if needed at a moment's notice (i.e. the minute men). And that their right to have firearms is more to do with their nature in the militia, than....just for the hell of it! Likewise, if the governor could command a town's militia into action (stop highwayman, put out a fire, etc) it was feared he could command them to lay down their arms as a precursor to creating a tryannical state. Its has NOTHING to do with people that wish to over thrown the country and install their own version of the US Constitution (were they rule with fear and intimidation, NOT, the rule of law).

The idea was to protect the nation FROM a tyrannical goverment, NOT, to install one because the previous one WASN'T!




DomKen -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 2:30:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.


Does not protect sedition.




YSG -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 3:04:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The GOP needs to dissociate itself from this nutcase and ensure he no longer holds any position or even membership of the party immediately. Failure to do so will justify serious questions being asked about the commitment of the GOP to the US Constitution and its values.

Oh really? How odd. I thought the Constitution and its values included freedom of speech.

K.


Doesnt apply if you're advocating revolution. See the Smith Act and the Communist Party trials from the early 50's: http://www.english.illinois.edu/maps/poets/g_l/jerome/smithact.htm




DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP Newsletter Calls for Armed Revolution if Obama Re-Elected (5/9/2012 3:37:21 AM)

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies;...


While I am in support of revolution when it is necessary, and there has been at least one time in American history when it was necessary, the case for any current revolution has not been made as it was in the document quoted. There is definite concern over Constitutional over-reach by the current President, as there were with the previous President. Neither has yet to reach the level of despotism and tyranny requiring armed revolution. Re-election of President Obama would still not constitute adequate indications for armed revolution, either.

I do believe Ponch McPhee needs to have some sort of consequence to his writing. You have the right to say whatever the fuck you want, but if what you say brings about negative consequences (that are legal), deal it.

IMO, Ponch is going to have to - and should - deal with some legal (as opposed to illegal) consequences.




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