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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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The law says that if you hire someone who has crossed the border illegally the penality is 5 years in the federal slam and a $250,000 fine for each violation.
If no one is in jail for this who's fault is it?
City cop,county sherriff,or private citizen may make an arrest of a fellon in commission of a felony.
So if you are not in favor of folks crossing the border illegally you now know how to stop it.

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Surely, accusations require evidence; evidence requires search warrents for records. How does the average citiizen go about making such an accusation? Does one run down to the County Sheriff or to the FBI and say: yanno, I think General Electric is employing illegal aliens? Not likely.

For the cops:
The same process that leads the ins to raid some business to sweep up the illegals would be the same process to sweep up the board of directors. This usually occurs when the e verify process starts ringing bells.
For the bigots:
Do their homework to verify their suspicions and then bring that data to the authorities. If the authorities fail to act on it take the to court for failure to do the job they were hired to do or go to the press

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There are some laws that are too impolitic or too awkward to enforce.

There seems to be no problem enforcing the misdomeanor.

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This seems to be one of them. Liberals are against for humanitarian reasons; Agriculture and Hospitality corporations are against for cheap labor reasons.

Kinda like the laws against bank robbing. The gangsters are against it because it deprives them of a livelihood and the banksters are for it to ensure their livelihood

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You are spitting into the wind on this one, I think.

You have a firm grasp of the obvious...bigotry and greed will usually win out over ethical behaviour.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Mupainurpleasure

who is in jail for five yrs for hiring illegals?

The law says that if you hire someone who has crossed the border illegally the penality is 5 years in the federal slam and a $250,000 fine for each violation.
If no one is in jail for this who's fault is it?
City cop,county sherriff,or private citizen may make an arrest of a fellon in commission of a felony.
So if you are not in favor of folks crossing the border illegally you now know how to stop it.
I understand there is a bounty paid by the fed for the arrest and conviction of felons...I do not remember exactly the percentage...something less than 5%.
What would be the snitche's portion of a $250,000 per violation fine on someone who had only 100 workers who had crossed the border illegally...somewhere between $250,000 and $1,250,000?

How does an employer know if an illegal has crossed the border illegally or legally? As far as I know there is no way for an employer to tell that.. they can check e-verify if the ssn is valid or not but that still does not tell an employer if the illegal entered legally or illegally.. If the illegal entered as a student with the appropriate visa but then overstayed or if the illegal entered as a visitor and then overstayed or if the illegal entered under a temporary worker visa but then overstayed, and so on, they entered legally and then became illegal..

so if this law actually states that employers that hire someone who has crossed the border illegally, how does an employer actually knowing that get proven? If that law exists exactly as you state, then its almost unenforceable, imo..

An employer uses e verify. If the ssn bounces, the employer is required to go through a validation process to see if there is a glitch in the system or if the ssn is in fact not the employee in question.
Early on I noted the distinction between those who cross the border illegally and those who have overstayed their visa. In he later case the expired visa would be on record. If no such expred visa is on record we would have someone who had crossed the border illegally.

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eta- anyone legal, illegal or even not in the US can incorporate an LLC or company and get a number from the IRS and work for other companies as a subcontractor, many illegals do that also to get around e-verify, etc.. so this law you are speaking of does not seem to cover that situation anyway.. so therefore illegals will still be in the US & working..

The tip(taxpayer identification number)is issued for the purpose of collecting taxes and does not confer the right to be in the country legally or to work.
With the irs it is all about the money...will the irs snitch you off to ins???? in a fuckng heart beat they would.

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Sure, people might snitch to the irs if they know something about someone and it doesnt benefit them to keep quiet or if they dont like the person and want to cause trouble.. Snitching seems to be the American way about a lot of things, not just illegals, thats one thing that gives me such a warm fuzzy feeling about the US.. But imo, if the irs was so gung ho about reporting illegals to the ins, most would be gone and as you say, they would use this law to go after employers but they dont seem to.. other than a few high profile raids on companies like walmart, etc.. which just get a slap on the wrist at most.. Imo, someone losing out on contract work is much more likely to be the source of ins tips.. The govt seems to turn a blind eye to illegals that pay their taxes and hire other people that pay taxes, not to mention the social security and other deductions they pay into without ever being able to get those deductions back or benefit from them..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Why do so many people, automatically assume that because someone is not 100% PRO illegal immigration, and supporting it 100%, that the person is a racist, a bigot, or has some sort of hatred against the Hispanic population?

To shut you up.

That is the only reason. To some, playing the race card is the wild card. Can't be beat. And, even if you overcome the charge (you know, by exposing the truth), the damage has been done.

That's why. It's all about winning, regardless of telling lies or truths.

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You like many folks including myself, don`t want an open border or our wages driven down by cheap illegal labor.

Every union in America feels this way, as well as the president.

It does tho,need to be handled within the law and with respect.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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You like many folks including myself, don`t want an open border or our wages driven down by cheap illegal labor.

Every union in America feels this way, as well as the president.

It does tho,need to be handled within the law and with respect.

Thank you Owner, for saying how I feel so succinctly!
I agree,everything should be handled within the law and with respect.
In the end, I guess things will work out just as they should.