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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/14/2012 6:58:57 PM   
CougarRick


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They have those for guys?

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Ignore him when he's pushy and yes, the chastity device might be a great idea...


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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/15/2012 6:03:23 AM   
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They have those for guys?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm

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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/15/2012 9:57:54 AM   
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My husband and I have been working towards a 24/7 Mistress/Sub relationship for about 8 years. I have come a VERY long way towards enjoying having control and dominating him. ....I have come to love getting my way and having control.

At first he seemed to know way more than I did and was always giving me advice and ideas. Now I feel like I have really settled into my role, but it seems like he gets whiney or gets mad when we don't play every night or when he doesn't get his way. He seems to push back more as I gain more control. (Which doesn't sense cause this was his freaking idea!)



You specifically asked for advice from the ladies, but I'm going to offer you a male sub's perspective.

Firstly, there are going to be bumps in the road. After all, this started out as a kinky fantasy in his head. In his mind, the fantasy always went his way. But now, you're controlling things, and it doesn't sound like they always go the way he wants them to. That's normal and natural. He's topping from the bottom, but only because this whole thing started based on his fantasies. So you've got to teach him that it's no longer about his fantasies. It's now about pleasing you. Make sure that he understands that.

Then you need to give him a set of rules. I know that some have stated that they don't believe in doing that, but I think it's necessary. What rules do, is they serve as a constant reminder of his place. They're like a collar, that he doesn't have to wear physically. So even when you're not around, they remind him of your dominance. This is particularly helpful, because you have children, so sometimes the D/s has to be invisible. Rules will help establish that.

For example, you could make rules about how he is to do certain things. The rules could be very specific, so they reenforce your dominance, yet they can still be invisible to the children. For example, you could make sure that he always eats all of his vegetables before he is allowed to eat his meat at dinner. Or you could make him wash the dishes and clean the kitchen before he is allowed to have dessert. Or you could make him always come into the bedroom and greet you in private when he comes home from work. You could tell him that he is to go into the bedroom and wait for you until you come to acknowledge him. Once you come into the bedroom and close the door so the children can't see, you could make him greet you by kissing your feet, or kissing your ass. Or you may decide that he only gets to watch sports on certain nights, and that all other nights you will decide what the two of you watch on TV. Regardless of what the rules are that you decide to implement, make sure that he ALWAYS follows the rules that you put in place for him.

I don't believe that physical punishment is appropriate for your spouse since you have kids around. But I would suggest you have other types of punishment that you utilize anytime he violates your rules. For example, I would use chastity as the primary type of punishment. Make sure that he knows how many days of chastity he'll earn for each violation. Also, make sure that he wears a chastity device. It will help to keep him honest.

I know that you said that chastity devices have difficulties, but deal with those. For example, make sure that he wears pleated pants. Those are looser in the crotch area, and he should be able to wear a CB-_____ to work while wearing pleated pants without drawing attention to himself. Also, you may want to use duct tape with the chastity device. Tape it down to further eliminate the bulge. Have him untape and retape it anytime he has to go to the bathroom.

As far as cleaning goes, you will have to take it off and allow him to clean himself. But make sure you supervise so he doesn't cheat and masturbate while he's cleaning himself. Once he's cleaned himself, immediately put the device back on him.

Remember, this all started as a fantasy that was driven by his cock. So punish him where it hurts most; in his cock. Take complete control of his sexual satisfaction. Let him know that you will be dictating when the two of you engage in D/s play, when you will have intercourse, when he is allowed to masturbate, and most importantly, when he is allowed to cum. His sexuality is now completely under your control. If he whines, add a few more days to his chastity.

If he's like most sub males, he may resist at first, but he'll actually be happy that you are taking greater control. It's what he's wanted all along. He just has to get used to the fact that you are going to orchestrate the action, because in his fantasies, he always controlled things. But be firm. Don't get soft on him when he whines. Punish him for being stubborn.

I hope that helps. Good luck.

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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/15/2012 5:43:57 PM   
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Thanks, I'll take a look at it


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ORIGINAL: CougarRick
They have those for guys?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm

Start with the non fiction.



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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/15/2012 10:30:33 PM   
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Get one of those crates they make for taking a Malamute to the Vet.

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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/16/2012 9:14:01 PM   
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Get one of those crates they make for taking a Malamute to the Vet.



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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 5/19/2012 6:40:54 PM   
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MistressDeeSTL;

Forgive my tardy sharing; so many wonderful thoughts have been shared here, I cannot imagine that you have not found some creative ways to explore improvement in this transitional problem. . . .

I would like to emphasize a few thoughts that have been shared here as being incredibly important, and perhaps add another thought or two?
The Male DNA is similar to that of a Birth Defect, there are certain things they have little control over, sincere dedication and much work is required to work through these awkward problems; as with children, consistancy has more weight than anything else you can do; Insuring that he is providing sufficient assistance around the house is of paramount importance to find balance enough for your energies to be available to share fun time with him; while submission is not exactly what he fully fantisized it should be; the fundamental arrangement must appropriately suit each participant, if it doesn't, then it's not well grounded and or balanced to begin with, and therefore cannot evolve and flourish.
The primary source of misunderstandings between men and women is that when Men are satisfied sexually, they are emotionally happy; yet Women cannot be sexually satisfied without being emotionally satisfied = this is simplistic, but TRUTHFUL and extremely relevant = if you Mistress are in charge and control, then it is your responsibility to help him to learn and better understand how to truly please and satisfy you = emotionally = . . . this is the only road to you finding the sexual appeal in playing with him as he hopes and dreams of. . . . if you cannot help him understand how to better draw your desires, then you will remain in this confusing impass perpetually?

and Yes, he needs physical reminders of the invisible leash, perhaps try a simple satin ribon tied around his package, ran through a hole in his pocket so that you can access it any time to gently remind him of that leash? Personally, I think he needs to be kept hard, dripping and begging to cum for over 24 hours = oh, that might require the assistance of someone? ooops, giggles. . . but then again, I have a warped sense of balance?

Best of Wishes,

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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 6/7/2012 8:20:01 PM   
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What you are trying to achieve is a rather complex psychological dance. Guys are basic creatures. Allow him some pleasure when he behaves appropriately and frustrate him when he doesnt. Just because he is having pleasure doesnt mean you have to do anything more than send him to the closet to cum in his underwear like the naughty one he is. There are similar ideas, but he first obtained permission from you and the act of hiding and cumming in his underwear will play into the role that he is naughty and needs controlled.
If he's bad, give him something that appears more embarassing than it is. For instance, send him to the store to buy some diapers that are in his size. Have him put them in the closet and tell him, next time, He'll be putting them on and who would want to sleep next to him like that, and make him sleep on the floor or the couch. Nobody said he had to use them. LOL

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RE: How to deal with a stubborn sub? - 6/8/2012 4:33:14 AM   
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I had only a couple of wobbles when my partner moved from being a sub I saw professionally( when I was a PD) to being my romantic partner in an FLR.

He did have some play expectations and I had a huge amount of D/s expectations. He quickly learned that I would not be pushed into playing or giving him fun unless I wanted to do it.

He soon took on board that life is not one long paid PD session and so after only a couple of moments when he got a bit sulky, he soon buckled down to living in our 24/7 D/s acknowledging this is what he has always wanted and wouldn't want it any other way.

I am not into big/and/or regular punishments so I don't control him that way. We have what I call a 'consequence' dynamic rather than a punishment one. So, if he upsets the harmony of our D/s, he must take the consequences he has brought upon himself.

I am strict with him, not in a micro-managing or domineering way, just firm and consistent about what I expect, when, how and why. He was very quick to align himself to my wishes and understand that although we talk, and I value his opinion, he is not the one who makes the decisions, leads the relationship or creates the atmosphere.

I wish I could say that my approach would be universally effective but what worked for Paul and I would not necessarily work for anyone else.



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