I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our walks

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Toppingfrmbottom -> I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our walks (5/11/2012 9:27:31 PM)
, and to firmly say no. But somehow that seems cruel to me. But when we're walking she lunges and barks and growls and tries to get at the dogs and i just can not stop her, I call to her and tell her no and stop that and she whines and stops for a second, but then continues lunging and barking and carrying on, and i can barely keep a hold of her when she does this. Tonight i figured it was kind of dark lets try for a walk, and she nearly pulled me into the ditch and certainly did jar my elbow. I've stopped taking her for a walk because of it. How do i calm this reaction to other dogs on our walks other than spraying her in the face, or not walking her?

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 9:33:53 PM)
Have you tried grabbing her snout, holding her mouth closed and firmly saying "NO!" Don't wait until she lounges, watch her body language and at the first sign of the dog doing that, grab her. Helps a lot if you put her through her paces regularly to make sure she knows you're the alpha, that behaviour is a bit typical for dogs who think they are the alpha. And if you let her get away with stuff in the house, she's not going to be an obedient dog outside, revoke all furniture privileges, stop her from eating before you give the command, make sure you go through doors first, ignore her if she asks for attention, don't even look at her, only if you call her to you she gets petted. Sounds like she's playing you.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 9:39:58 PM)
There's a show called It's Me Or The Dog, Victoria Stilwell is the dog trainer. It's a great show. You are not being cruel by splashing water in a dog's face. A dog needs to be trained to be a good citizen. That needs to be firm, consistent ALL the time, everywhere training.

mummyman321 -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 9:45:40 PM)
For my german shepard a hard yank on the lease and collar with the heel command at the same time worked very well for me.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 9:47:46 PM)
The water splashing won't hurt, but it's much more important that the dog knows the place in the pack, the dog wouldn't go for other dogs if she knew the place, it would wait for the alpha to give the signal, I would try enforcing discipline and the holding the snout shut, the water is annoying but holding the snout close is a sign of dominance and being more powerful.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 10:37:37 PM)
No. i never thought of that. she doesn't like other dogs it's in her adoption file that she's other dog agressive. Or can be. She's really well behaved i think in the house, but then i am a novice and could be missing a lot. We did have an issue a while back with her snapping nastily at my bf and i if we tried to make her get out of the vehicle if she didn't want to, or refused to move from a spot in the bed, but she stopped doing that. I did try the sit and lay down thing before feeding her but most times she'd only sit and i'd finally get tired an just put the food down. If consistent, will she get it? what if some times it takes all day an she gets no food lol. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Have you tried grabbing her snout, holding her mouth closed and firmly saying "NO!" Don't wait until she lounges, watch her body language and at the first sign of the dog doing that, grab her. Helps a lot if you put her through her paces regularly to make sure she knows you're the alpha, that behaviour is a bit typical for dogs who think they are the alpha. And if you let her get away with stuff in the house, she's not going to be an obedient dog outside, revoke all furniture privileges, stop her from eating before you give the command, make sure you go through doors first, ignore her if she asks for attention, don't even look at her, only if you call her to you she gets petted. Sounds like she's playing you. quote: t away with stuff in the house, she's not going to be an obedient dog outside,

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:01:18 PM)
With a dog you have to be consistent, I got 2 Dobies, the male is a bit daft and it takes him a while to learn something but then he retains it and it needs very little reinforcement, the girl is unfortunately very clever and figures out ways to to not obey without disobeying (like looking away, or closing her eyes when I grab her head and force eye contact), the more clever the dog the more work it takes. Dogs will not starve themselves, it's a power game and at the moment you are losing, if she gets really hungry, she will do what you ask (you got to make sure she does understand though - same command, same tone of voice, praise when she did it right), once you are truly in control of the food, she has to accept you as the pack leader, currently she is fighting you for it. Remember the pack leader tells the dogs when and what to eat. My girl is a fussy eater and she tried that on me and for a while I fell for it, result was that she stopped listening to commands, so I changed, she got the food, she got the command to eat, she sniffed and walked away, hoping I would replace it with something better - I did not, I removed the food, a while later she was hungry and begged, I ignored it until it was feeding time again, she had to wait, then got the command that she could eat (step in between and say NO if she tries to get it before), you wanna bet that she learned really quick and is very obedient now? Dogs are just as good at manipulating as cats are, they just do it a different way, you got to remember you are not doing your dog a fave letting her get away with it. I've got big dogs so I am super conscious about their training and discipline, because most humans are fucking idiots when it comes to handling dogs and I don't want my babies being put down just because of some asshole not having a clue.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:07:01 PM)
Chris, where do you keep getting these inappropriate dogs? If she is other dog aggressive that dog needs an experienced handler.

Karmastic -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:13:49 PM)
FR- disclaimer - i'm no expert. but i've adopted and worked with a few problem dogs. i agree with everything LadyConstanze said. i would add this...you just can't stop or train out how some dogs will feel about other dogs (i.e., be dog aggressive). that may take years, and your honey will still be at risk. but you can control how your dog reacts. the dog furrowing their brow (hair raising) just below and around his neck is a sign of an alpha stance, good early warning sign. the moment you feel the body language indicating aggressiveness, yank the leash at a 45 degree angle backwards towards you, to distract the dog. it's important to let up just before you finish the yank so as to cause a backlash back towards the dog; as the dog resists your initial yank, as you let up quickly, it will stumble. what you're doing first is distracting the dog. and the backlash creates motion pushing the dog away from you, which will cause them to instinctively stop, or even push back towards you (where you really want them to go). don't worry about this technique so much as distracting the dog. also give a sharp guttural low "no" (don't shout, don't show weakness). to me, spraying water is escalating a bit, and i personally prefer more physical methods if escalation is required (sounds like it is for you and your dog). the way i see it, the dog is being physical with you, and it's fine to be physical back. alpha canines and dogs correct betas using physical force. i'm not saying beat the dog - i'm saying take control, yank that leash and spray water. if the dog persists, be prepared to escalate to rolling the dog on their back into a submission position. if my dog was still being aggressive at that point (meaning, sticking up it's head), i would grab it's snout and/or lower jaw, and keep it down. ultimately, just a look or a gutteral grunt from you will be enough to stop or correct behavior. and i can't stress enough what LadyC says, about having to constantly reinforce that YOU'RE the boss, and YOU will set the offensive and defensive tone for your pack. When you're calm, the pack will be too.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:30:43 PM)
SHE did it! I told her to sit and then lay down ans she did, but when I started to praise her she got up so I said no! Lay down. This time I was able to praise her and put the food down for her. That's good right? Lh I got her from a rescue. I signed a contract stating no dog parks and I agreed Calley may would be an only dog for the rest of her life with me.

Kana -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:49:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus There's a show called It's Me Or The Dog, Victoria Stilwell is the dog trainer. It's a great show. I love this show. Ostensibly, VS is training dogs...but what she is really doing is training owners. I have picked up more tips on how to be a good dominant from her than all the BDSM literature I've read combined. The chick knows her shit. Example- According to VS, the three keys to being a good dog master are 1-Be firm 2-Be consistent 3-Never miss a chance to reward good behavior. Now consider how this can apply to BDSM...and think how many relationships you've seen fail for a want of one or more of these three things...

Karmastic -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:50:53 PM)
yes, that's great. putting food in front of her and making her wait until you say okay is a great way to show dominance. keep increasing how far away you can be until you're in the next room. if/when she fails, stop the exercise (or after a few minutes anyway), and show displeasure. she will learn rewards stop if/when she stops listening.

kitkat105 -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/11/2012 11:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus There's a show called It's Me Or The Dog, Victoria Stilwell is the dog trainer. It's a great show. I love this show. Ostensibly, VS is training dogs...but what she is really doing is training owners. I have picked up more tips on how to be a good dominant from her than all the BDSM literature I've read combined. The chick knows her shit. Example- According to VS, the three keys to being a good dog master are 1-Be firm 2-Be consistent 3-Never miss a chance to reward good behavior. Now consider how this can apply to BDSM...and think how many relationships you've seen fail for a want of one or more of these three things... I agree with this. Being that she's a rescue dog, she will possibly have a history of losing her home, maybe abuse or unmanageable behaviours. She needs to know you're the "leader" of the pack. She only learn this through constant reinforcement of the rules. Does she know how to sit on command? It might be worthwhile teaching her this and that way when you see another dog coming, she has to sit and stay till they've gone past. That way she won't pull.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:11:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Chris, where do you keep getting these inappropriate dogs? If she is other dog aggressive that dog needs an experienced handler. The girl was aggressive towards other dogs for a while due to being black and tan, happens other dogs react more aggressively to black dogs, and she got bitten a few times and was insecure and very defensive, once she realized that I would protect her (I kicked one dog who went for her and threw another one into a pond) things changed. Both my dogs are rescues, so they did come with baggage and both didn't know discipline. The food issue is just a way of establishing yourself as the pack leader, seems cruel but if you take the mentality of dogs it really isn't. They need a structure and hierarchy, you treat them as equals and they are confused because they don't know what to do or who is leading them.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:17:43 AM)
I was talking to TFTB, she keeps getting stuck with problem dogs! She has a big heart and no experience, it's not a good mix!

zubedangina -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:24:39 AM)
I have a 15 pound Yorkie who also loves to bark crazily at dogs and squirrels and anything else that runs around outside. Holding his mouth shut hasn't worked for me, but as he isn't that big it is possible I am afraid of hurting him and do not clamp hard enough to keep him quiet. My husband says picking him up works because he doesn't like it and will often try to dodge the man when he tries. I would really like the dog to stop his barking without me picking him up though. The sitting thing has been working really well. Before I give him his food, before he gets to come inside or go outside he has to sit and stay and wait until I tell him to come. A couple of days, I just closed the door and left him out in the hallway until he sat. He picked up really fast and is now sitting and staying until I let him come and go. The first couple of days was annoying as I felt like I had to stand and wait for him for 15 minutes. I have been doing this on his walks a lot too. We just stand there and don't move, until he sits, he doesn't listen as well outside because he is distracted, but since I have been consistent he is getting much better. I also bought him a no pull harness, which doesn't help him walk like a gentleman when he isn't in it, but I dont' have to worry about collapsing his trachea by too much pulling. My dog is a complete lapdog who wants massive amounts of attention, so ignoring him does work for him pretty well also.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:27:19 AM)
BTW dog aggressive means she has not been socialized properly, do not take her to dog parks, find somebody with a well trained dog and have her watch the dog, especially when the other dog is getting praise for doing something right, then in a controlled environment (not the turf of one of the dogs) let them meet. My girl is still freaking out when she sees a Staffie (3 bites from the same breed freaked her out a bit), so I usually calm her down and tell her to stay behind, once I met the other dog and it didn't attack me, she will be willing to take a gentle sniff, still hangs back and is a bit alert, but 2nd and 3rd meeting they start playing. I don't expect her to take to strange dogs straight away (the boy does that and he has plenty of stitches to show how daft he is), girlie has to get to know other dogs first, then it is OK, she's not very sociable and prefers cats and rats as company, but she is not on alert whenever she sees another dog. The boy loves every dog, but I still haven't figured out how to stop him from being manic barking beast while on the lead - off it he will wag the tail and ask every dog to play, on the lead you would think he's the hellhound...

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:30:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I was talking to TFTB, she keeps getting stuck with problem dogs! She has a big heart and no experience, it's not a good mix! Problem dogs need love more than any other dog, but they also need much much more discipline, dogs are essentially wolves and you got to understand how they interact to do your dog justice, and it doesn't matter if they are purse sized or big, same roots and genes, gotta rule them and gotta be the boss, they really want to know a place in the pack!

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:53:12 AM)
I had a reply for kitcat and the kindle ate it. Ill retype it I. The morning when I am on my Pc.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 1:00:18 AM)
She was an owner surrender. The reason given? She had fleas. They'd let it get so bad that she had lost a lot of fur from the constant biting and chewing and stress from the fleas. Its also thought shes been bread by an irresponcible breeder. One who just churned out pups with no concern for the dogs well being then thrown away when they're no good for breeding anymore.

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