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tj444 -> RE: And the hole gets deeper (5/15/2012 3:37:26 PM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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LOL You are so funny.. so this cute lil rat becoming extinct will cause people of Riverside County, CA to starve? Its food for coyotes, not humans ffs.. Your ability to exaggerate is amazing..
I did not say that you did. I asked if you understood what the food chain was...you clearly do not.
sure i do, the coyotes eat the rats,.. the farmers shoot the coyotes,.. the farmers sell the coyote skins to fur coat manufacturers.. there is yer food chain
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In your previous post you didnt know what rat i was talking about, now all of a sudden you "remember Daon"? you just googled it, didnt you?.. lol..
I dd not say I did not know what the skr was. I ask you if you knew what it was.
No one who understands what the food chain would ever make such a foolish statement.
no, you simply asked what rat it was and why there would be a fee to save it or if i couldnt that my brain was not in gear
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I dont believe for a second that the $150/new building permit (which imo is not a small amount) actually goes to the rats.. Its a fee that has been collected since 1988, how does this fee help the rats in any way, shape or form? Imo, the only "rats" it helps are the ones in govt for another layer of bureacracy and fat salaries.. JMO..
Had you read the stuff you cut and paste you would have noticed that the fee was to acquire new habitat. The purpose is to acquire the same amount of habitat as was compromised. In that sense where can you buy land the size of a city lot for $150?
they live in the desert,.. undeveloped desert land in inland empire is actually cheap but thats cuz its undeveloped and no hope in hell of developing it at a reasonable cost. In riverside county there is bogart park 400 acres, idlywynd park 200 acres, lake cahuilla 700acres, lake skinner 1400 acres, rancho jurupa 200 acres, plus various other parks and undeveloped areas.. how much land do this varmints need??? how much land did they actually buy and how much money did they collect? i would bet most of that have gone to rich salaries..
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My point being there is a mirad of fees, charges, taxes that the cities and counties collect.. and it all adds up to mega bucks.. Why is the cost of the various fees to the tune of 50,000/building permit reasonable when in Florida the impact & other fees for a building permit is only 10% or less of that?
Perhaps you should ask them?
I dont need to ask them, the court case spells it out.. govt greed
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Its the overcharging for fees that is the problem, imo.. As I previously pointed out, of one case where the county wanted $250,000 but a court reduced that to a more reasonable $10k..
With that sort of reduction what did the courts order the city to do as a result?
did about what? as far as i know the couple can build after paying the $10k.. I doubt its changed for anyone else
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You seriously think its the builder/developer that pays those fees? no, its passed on to struggling homebuyers, which is why CA has some of the highest housing prices in the US..
Why is someone who is strugling buying a house they cannot afford?
Perhaps you might want to look at the housing prices in california.
There is a mission style in the wrigly park section of long beach that was purchased 2006 for $725,000
sold last week for $285,000. The last owner was a general contractor who did extensive upgrades which would have pushed the house to over a million. The economy went in the tank he and she divorced and walked away from the whole thing.
Bargains ar where you find them.
of course, people are buying foreclosures now which is why builders arent building anywhere near what they were or they are just renting out the units that they cant sell until the market comes back. Oddly enough, rents have been rising in OC.
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And if the fees were more reasonable, there would be more construction so more jobs and lower unemployment which CA needs badly.. its killing the golden goose.. not that i see that changing any in most cities/counties..
You mentioned the exorbatant fees that dana pont charges to put solar on your roof.
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If you want to put a solar system on your house in dana point the city wants $14,000 for the permit to do just that.. so much for being green..
Perhaps you should call the dana point building dept. I did.
They told me that it was a sliding scale depending on how much you constructed with a modest 1-3 kw system being $250. to a max of $700 for 5 kw and up.
So now they have reduced the flat fee from $14,000 down to a sliding scale up to $700.. I guess they should get a medal, huh? just shows how greedy they were in the first place, they werent the only city either.. At that time I did look it up on their website because it was so high i couldnt believe it. I got that figure on dana point fees from an article (either in the LA Times or OC Register) before Arnie required green building & solar prewiring added to the building codes in CA in 2011 & in that article dana point was the highest, thats why i remember it & looked it up myself.. There have been various studies into what various cities have been overcharging for solar permits which is why that article was written (I cant find it online anymore tho).. and since that article the sierra club asked the cities that charge more than $5,000 to reduce their fees and I expect Arnie and the state asked the cities to as well, it looks like most but not all have dropped them down, some down to $0. I see Yorba Linda just dropped theirs this April (give them a medal too!), so people were grossly overcharged before that.. When nearly all drop their fees like that, it shows that all the cities in CA are greedy, greedy, greedy, which was my point..
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