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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/13/2012 11:05:09 PM   
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would someone please tell me why everyone in the world seems to think they need a "license" to get married? That is the funniest shit I think I ever heard.

Someone please tell me a rational reason for it. Ok how about an irrational reason?




It permits the sharing of benefits and allows you to see your loved one in the hospital.

Plus, it's got the same reasons that straight people want to get married - the commitment itself, and the recognition of the relationship.



good answer....

ok now lets say 2 people draw up a marriage contract under common law, (the law of the land) they keep the contract and record the ackowledgment with the county recorder so the gub is not a 3rd party to the marriage are they any less married and does not the government have an obligation to honor all lawful contracts made between private partys?

The reason of course is that if the gub is not a 3rd party they cant storm in and take your kids ecept under very narrow circumstances without getting sued into the next century. On the other hand if they issue a license you are getting their permission.

So in lite of that even though that was a good answer I do not see any purpose for gub recognition with permission by "license" since there is another way to skin that cat which is marriage by "right"?






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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 12:00:42 AM   
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In the really old days, the king (since he was God), would grant someone protection by license to do something outside the rigors of common law at a price of course for both his services and protections and of course that came with conditions of the contract.

When you write up your own contract and issue an acknowledgment to the public that cuts out the middleman and you puts you into a different law form.

One very easy thing to prove it exists is to look up the public nuisance laws where most states will stipulate that the nuisance laws are not restricted only to the statutes. Your rights extend to common law property rights and of course they know it. Unfortunately very few people have a clue they exist or that it works that way because they have no idea the true meaning of equal protection under the law which is NOT the same as equal protection "by" law.

Oh the nasty web those wabbits weave.

So bottom line if the state creates the license you remove yourself from common law jurisdiction on that subject and acquiesce to the states terms and conditions, however whimsical over time they will inevitably become.

If I were to get married I would do a common law marriage and let them dare try not to recognize it in their system.

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His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the state, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution.

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his rights are NOT the same as his constitutional rights.




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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 1:38:04 AM   
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I honestly don’t get how gay marriage would affect straight marriage.
It doesn't.

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 5:49:39 AM   
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The Catholic Church denies marriage to its priests and nuns. Why are they saying that it's the cornerstone of our society? That's like Santorum saying that people shouldn't go to college.


That is not quite true. Nuns are married to Jesus Christ.

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 6:25:09 AM   
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WASHINGTON—Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), issued the following statement:

President Obama’s comments today in support of the redefinition of marriage are deeply saddening. As I stated in my public letter to the President on September 20, 2011, the Catholic Bishops stand ready to affirm every positive measure taken by the President and the Administration to strengthen marriage and the family. However, we cannot be silent in the face of words or actions that would undermine the institution of marriage, the very cornerstone of our society. The people of this country, especially our children, deserve better. Unfortunately, President Obama’s words today are not surprising since they follow upon various actions already taken by his Administration that erode or ignore the unique meaning of marriage. I pray for the President every day, and will continue to pray that he and his Administration act justly to uphold and protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman. May we all work to promote and protect marriage and by so doing serve the true good of all persons.

Source: USCCB. Emphasis mine.


Fits wonderfully in the antichrist agenda of the democrats and parts of the republicans.



"Antichrist". Such an adorable fairy-tale. I wonder, do those who believe in the "Antichrist" also believe in the Tooth Fairy?

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 6:45:37 AM   
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Perhaps I’m blinded by my homosexual agenda, but I honestly don’t get how gay marriage would affect straight marriage.


Of course it won't affect straight marriage in any way. But there are a few reasons why this particular terminology is used.

Firstly it is code to convey a whole range of anti-gay prejudices without sounding overtly bigoted.
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Perhaps more importantly, many straights quite erroneously see straightness as innately and naturally superior to gayness/queerness. This belief is rationalised through an imaginary heterosexual monopoly of reproduction (historically lots of queers have reproduced; today various artificial insemination technologies make this rationalisation even more tenuous)

Gay marriage challenges this assumed superiority - it challenges one of the last remaining bastions of assumed heterosexual superiority and real privilege. Many of these people might tolerate queers, but the thought that they are actually equal in all respects is too much for them to contemplate.

It's a bit like: it's OK giving them the vote but under no circumstances are they joining the golf club.

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 8:56:58 AM   
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The Catholic Church denies marriage to its priests and nuns. Why are they saying that it's the cornerstone of our society? That's like Santorum saying that people shouldn't go to college.


That is not quite true. Nuns are married to Jesus Christ.

Doesn't that make him a polygamist?

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 8:59:46 AM   
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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 10:00:24 AM   
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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 10:02:27 AM   
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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 10:04:05 AM   
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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 6:31:04 PM   
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Fits wonderfully in the antichrist agenda of the democrats and parts of the republicans.


If you had written, "the anti-Roman Catholic agenda" I would have let your comment go by without comment.

However, a select, splinter group of Roman Catholic bishops do not represent all Christians - in fact, there are some of us Christians, including some Roman Catholics, who aren't all that sure that this select, splinter group of Roman Catholic bishops are actually Christians. Their "Christianity" doesn't match my Christianity - or the Christianity of millions, Protestant and Roman Catholic, here in the United States and in other nations as well.


Modern day roman catholicism has little to do with Christianity. It is a pagan, heathen occult system bases on Mitraism and Babylonian Dagon worshipping and Egptian Isis_Horus worshipping. The vatican is loaded with pagan and heathen symbolism. The mitre of the pope comes from Babylon. The fishgod Dagon wore it. The worshipping of Mary directly comes from the Isis worshipping in Egypt.

Just sit and watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDXaJIP4Jsg

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/14/2012 6:36:30 PM   
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The Catholic Church denies marriage to its priests and nuns. Why are they saying that it's the cornerstone of our society? That's like Santorum saying that people shouldn't go to college.


That is not quite true. Nuns are married to Jesus Christ.

Doesn't that make him a polygamist?


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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/15/2012 4:57:39 AM   
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Modern day roman catholicism has little to do with Christianity. It is a pagan, heathen occult system bases on Mitraism and Babylonian Dagon worshipping and Egptian Isis_Horus worshipping. The vatican is loaded with pagan and heathen symbolism. The mitre of the pope comes from Babylon. The fishgod Dagon wore it. The worshipping of Mary directly comes from the Isis worshipping in Egypt.


Modern? So these pagan symbols were adopted recently? Perhaps Vatican II is to blame?

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/15/2012 5:00:47 AM   
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I am going to buy a Boston Globe in the morning and if there's a word of this nonsense in the paper, I'm going down to my diocese to chat with the bishop myself (and maybe a friend from the globe in tow to catch the "Bishop Refuses To See Parishioner In His Diocese" story).


Google turned up nothing recent for "Boston Globe + Timothy Dolan" or "Bishop Refuses To See Parishioner In His Diocese"

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/15/2012 6:32:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		catholics alreadty don't view most marriages as equal to catholic marriages so the idea gay marriage would change their view of marriage is ludicrous. if we want to use what catholics consider religous or sacramental marriage then I guess there are a lot of protestants and remarried catholics who have invalid unions

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RE: "Undermine the Institution of Marriage" - 5/15/2012 6:34:03 AM   
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Fits wonderfully in the antichrist agenda of the democrats and parts of the republicans.


If you had written, "the anti-Roman Catholic agenda" I would have let your comment go by without comment.

However, a select, splinter group of Roman Catholic bishops do not represent all Christians - in fact, there are some of us Christians, including some Roman Catholics, who aren't all that sure that this select, splinter group of Roman Catholic bishops are actually Christians. Their "Christianity" doesn't match my Christianity - or the Christianity of millions, Protestant and Roman Catholic, here in the United States and in other nations as well.


Modern day roman catholicism has little to do with Christianity. It is a pagan, heathen occult system bases on Mitraism and Babylonian Dagon worshipping and Egptian Isis_Horus worshipping. The vatican is loaded with pagan and heathen symbolism. The mitre of the pope comes from Babylon. The fishgod Dagon wore it. The worshipping of Mary directly comes from the Isis worshipping in Egypt.

Just sit and watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDXaJIP4Jsg

please you know the same applys to all the Abrahamic religons and sects? They all borrowed heavily from the other religons of the region. Your take on the Mitre is ridiculous. I wonder how it is you can say Catholics borrowed from thre Horus myth and not other christians? The idea the catholic church is based on what was a dead religon by the time of it's advent is ludicrous...dagon was in the same pantheon as Yahweh but was no longer worshipped. They borrowed heavily from those they converted. dagon not being one of the sources. Sol Invictus, sure, germanic beliefs, sure...babylonia lolololol. Ichys or the fish ......ΙΧΘΥΣ (Ichthys) is an acronym for "Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, Θεοῦ Υἱός, Σωτήρ", (Iēsous Christos, Theou Yios, Sōtēr), which translates into English as "Jesus Christ, God's Son, Savior". i suppose you are a true christian and know the pope to be the anti christ....folks like you make em gald to be an aethist. If you are an aethist learn the difference between disbelief and slanderous propaganda. furthermore the idea thew Roman empire would of done anything but persecute a relious belief birthed near Ctesiphon is laughable

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