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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 5:34:09 PM   
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but we are not talking 'practical purposes' even that quote of yours said the ohms are greater than zero.  We use stuff to measure with and by god that is how we tell a dead short. You get the needle bounce on even cheap ass volt-ohm meters.

But why did you have to go to yahoo for that one, couldnt you come up with some esoteric link to tesla that didnt actually say anything that was just as accurately incorrect as yahoo?  

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 5:37:31 PM   
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We've agreed from the outset that it works.  I have informed each and everyone on this thread (none of the tesla geeks did, and were most likely unaware of it) that it is used in every television, cell phone and computer.  I have also said that nothing moves faster than the speed of light as defined.

Nobody has said it doesnt work.  now, these nodes are interesting but not consequential in any way I see, they appear arbitrary, nobody is cutting these wire lengths using a vernier caliper and resonance balancing and therefore I dont see standing waves involved by exacting the lengths to some waves frequency integers and creating them betwixt and between these points.  Have you clipped  a millimeter off  (or added one to) the wire that trails the bulb allowing it to light?  does it still light the bulb?   


People are talking about different things at the same time. I haven't done the "hairpin" circuit myself, only read Tesla describing the experiment. He states that the experimenter might take care to be quite alone when doing the experiment in case of being the subject of the joke of his assistants who propose it. In this case the nodes are absolutely relevant because this is where the bulbs light. There are points of high potential and low potential along the length of the loop, or what could be said to be standing waves, all being dependant on the frequency.

As for coil design, the length of the wire determines the resonant frequency of the coil. As with a radio transmitter if you want a particular frequency then you need to use particular values of components. You can try to force resonance through various tuning, but then it's not optimised, you need amplifiers and so on. Here we don't necessarily want or need it to be tunable over a wide frequency band, we want maximum magnification factor at the intended frequency, so the coil must resonate at that frequency naturally.

One wire light bulbs, the wire leading out of the bulb is absolutely key to making the bulb light. Though not so much the wire itself, just a some conductive mass that has capacitance. If you make the wire shorter the bulb will get dimmer, make it longer and it will get brighter. Replace the wire with your hand and it can get to full brightness because you have a lot more capacitance than the wire. You can even hold the coil output in one hand, the bulb in the other and have someone else hold on to the other side of the bulb and light it as in the video I previously posted. As long as there's enough of a potential difference over the filament then it will light. It seems to prefer certain resistances or bulb wattages though. It's not enough to say that a 12v 5w bulb will be easier to light than a 240v 15w bulb. The 12v bulb may not light at all, but the 240v bulb will get to full brightness. All depends on the frequencies and resistance of the filament etc. If the resistance is too low then it will just flow straight through it and produce no light.

[edit] It's also possible to hold the coil output in one hand and light fluorescent tubes in the other hand, becoming the transmission line, but this only works at lower frequencies approx 1000 kc and below. Different effects are seen by using different frequencies.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 5:48:19 PM   
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There are points of high potential and low potential along the length of the loop, or what could be said to be standing waves, all being dependant on the frequency.

this and the peroration (last paragraph) is an absolute argument against standing waves.

Again, I see nothing of gain here, it works, ok. but I am absolutely lost when it comes to what does it buy us?   Why would we pursue this, what is to be gained?  It has not been pursued for 100 years by other than home experimenters and there is nothing in the way of leverage to get it off the ground. 

Same reason we wouldnt design a new and incompatible chip for computers that does nothing to make it worth the switch.

But you are right, with the hysterical tomfoolery and circle chasing nothingness heretofore demonstrated, what could have been a minor oh, interesting moment has been lost in the untutored braggadacio of fantasies here. 

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 5:56:05 PM   
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but we are not talking 'practical purposes' even that quote of yours said the ohms are greater than zero.  We use stuff to measure with and by god that is how we tell a dead short. You get the needle bounce on even cheap ass volt-ohm meters.

But why did you have to go to yahoo for that one, couldnt you come up with some esoteric link to tesla that didnt actually say anything that was just as accurately incorrect as yahoo?  




there isnt a meter on the market capable of measuring resistance that is that low.

the resistance across 1 foot of that tube is to the tune of .0003 and change ohms.

The only possible way to even measure resistance that fucking low is with a wheatstone bridge.

that is why they say practical, yet is is so fucking low for piratical purposes it is a dead short and makes your point moot. Especially since yo uhad it complete bassackwards.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 5:59:38 PM   
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There are points of high potential and low potential along the length of the loop, or what could be said to be standing waves, all being dependant on the frequency.




bullshit the light got brighter as they drew it closer to the source, however that can be adjusted by certain design changes. If what you said were correct it would have spots of complete blackouts.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 6:09:52 PM   
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Again, I see nothing of gain here, it works, ok. but I am absolutely lost when it comes to what does it buy us?   Why would we pursue this, what is to be gained?  It has not been pursued for 100 years by other than home experimenters and there is nothing in the way of leverage to get it off the ground. 




you can rip out 90% of all the hi lines through out the world, and ultimately move from cars to planes and reducing the asphalt requirements immensely and live in a jetson society.

You would only need a few watts to transmit and talk directly to someone on the other side of the earth clear as a bell.

Now you know the real reason the technology was not brought forward.

Cant have next to free world wide communication and power reception.

imagine if we coult talk with anyone we wanted in china and russia 100 years ago when there was so much money to be made in wars and money to be made from OIL. Nope cant have that now can we.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 6:12:50 PM   
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It has not been pursued for 100 years by other than home experimenters and there is nothing in the way of leverage to get it off the ground.


It hasn't been pursued, that's the point. Hence my intolerance for the youtube facebook group Tesla "fans" who speak of conspiracies and coverups, all the while spreading crap information themselves and ignoring the truth. I got banned from one group because I had the nerve to quote Tesla's own words and gave them equations to get building something, in a Tesla fan page would you believe!! Well that went against all their beliefs so they couldn't have that. They want the magic.

Anyway, search any "Tesla coil" on youtube or whatever and look at it. These people claim to be replicating Tesla, using words such as Magnifying Transmitter and Wardenclyffe etc. Then, search google for image of Tesla, look at the so-called Wardenclyffe patent, look at the construction of the Magnifying Transmitter at Colorado Springs.

An example of the coils Tesla was working with:

http://www.nbuv.gov.ua/new/2006/tesla.files/tesla_elektricni_oscilator.jpg

http://www.mentallandscape.com/Tesla_fig10.jpg

The coil with the huge sparks is the extra coil. The wooden frame around the outside is the secondary, 15 metres diameter by 1 metre high, 17 turns. The primary is below the secondary, same diameter, 2 turns.

http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/tesla_in_lab2.jpg

http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/ntesla12.jpg

Now if we are going to "replicate Tesla", then you would think that you would begin by actually replicating Tesla. That is not the case.

Now we search for "Tesla coil" (AKA an example of crap):

http://spot.colorado.edu/~gurarie/images/tesla.jpg

http://teslatech.info/ttmagazine/v3n1/els10.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/98272227_4f6f848bd4.jpg

This is the crap the "experts" are dealing with. They only see high voltage. They believe the output is the high voltage top of the coil, and the wireless is via the air. Tesla said time and time again this is useless, the energy is radiated into space and wasted. But this incorrect understanding forms the basis of all study on "Tesla coils" in the last 100 years or so.

You personally probably have nothing to gain. The power infrastructure certainly won't accept such a thing with open arms either, they have billions invested in the system so there is no business sense in changing that. The door is open with radio, communications and undeveloped areas, where the cost of installing cables isn't profitable. There are many benefits to be seen as a developer, but through the eyes of an existing consumer then it's all pointless. There are obvious future advantages if it will be possible to power vehicles without onboard power source, but that will certainly take some development. Aquatic vehicles are relatively easier as they are in contact with the water.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 6:46:15 PM   
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you can rip out 90% of all the hi lines through out the world


"Can", but won't. Not unless some hurricane or earthquake or something brought the lot down and they'd have to think about paying to repair it. Even though ultimately the consumer is already paying for all this as a part of the service.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 6:53:23 PM   
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here is an interesting guy who once upon a time had lots of videos up and he demonstrated exactly how to tune coils and coils systems to fine tune their natural frequency.

Here he has only a ground wire hooked up as a reference

No Battery and No Transistor

granted its only an led, but then there is another guy out there who lit to the tune of 100 of them with his tuned coils.

I have not personally verified this in so far as juice for nuttin goes, but if you can get your hands on the videos where he shows people how to tune these coils and optimise the system to their natural fequency using a spectrum analyser that may be useful to you.

The guy sounds like he is older than dirt and he has if nothing else good taste in equipment. LOL

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 7:30:03 PM   
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Ah, Dr. Stiffler. He's responsible for most of the SEC work. This circuit here seems somewhat similar to a crystal radio receiver. I'm not sure exactly what he's picking up so I can only speculate. Assuming whatever signal there is is coming from the earth connection, then the next step in that is the Crystal Radio Initiative as put forth by Eric Dollard. Here a TMT is to be built to the frequency of a local radio station to receive the Telluric signal, and power loads from the energy received. The transmitted energy already powers the crystal radio, hence Tesla's wireless energy transmission, and there is likely several thousand watts being transmitted. The challenge is to have a massive magnification factor, or maximum selectivity for the chosen frequency, so the small signal is magnified by a massive degree.

This is "back to school" for understanding Tesla


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 9:20:01 PM   
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right,

when you use an open transmission line in air its like a fly spec on a huge planet even if you have a million watt transmitter. On the other hand if you have even a small transmitter and pound it into the earth it takes very little power by comparison to get it to the other side.

I built a crystal radio when I was a child, had a huge antenna that was several hundred feet long and ran a ground wire both to the house water pipes and then to a swamp so the reception was phenomenal.

Grounding is extremely important.

yeh so that will work even though they are using an inefficient pig sticker because of the consequential reflected wave upon the earth, just be on the weak side. Few people know that you get better signals through the ground than you do through the air. at least for lf and mf amplitude modulation.


well you need high q coils, the primary on the tesla transmitter is for all intents and purposes the hairpin. 1/4 wave is the least wire version but any odd wave will work. tuning to the natural freq is imperative and likewise knowing precisely where your nodes are, otherwise you cannot set up a proper standing wave..





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 11:20:29 PM   
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Grounding is even more important in this case because that's your (underground) antenna. Obviously the better it is then the better signal you will get. The above ground part (the coil) is basically just a resonator/magnifier. The top end of the coil radiates the signal as a passive relay station allowing you to put a regular antenna (or pieces of metal) near it and hear the signal clearly even if there's "no reception" through the antenna normally. It becomes a small beacon able to relay the signal to places where the radio won't work otherwise, all still powered from the source transmitter so doesn't even require additional power sources in those locations to extend the broadcast range.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/22/2012 3:58:25 AM   
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you can rip out 90% of all the hi lines through out the world, and ultimately move from cars to planes and reducing the asphalt requirements immensely and live in a jetson society.

You would only need a few watts to transmit and talk directly to someone on the other side of the earth clear as a bell.

Now you know the real reason the technology was not brought forward.

Cant have next to free world wide communication and power reception.

imagine if we coult talk with anyone we wanted in china and russia 100 years ago when there was so much money to be made in wars and money to be made from OIL. Nope cant have that now can we.




Here we have it, technology in the west has been halted to stop me talking to people in China.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/22/2012 4:07:12 AM   
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An open circuit is one where the continuity has been broken by an interruption in the path for electrons to flow. (extremely high resistance)


Realone..... Your addition of "extremely high resistance" is laughable.

There is no resistance since the circuit is incomplete due to the device causing the resistance not being incorporated in the circuit.

http://dictionary.kids.net.au/word/resistance

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/22/2012 7:03:47 PM   
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quote:

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you can rip out 90% of all the hi lines through out the world, and ultimately move from cars to planes and reducing the asphalt requirements immensely and live in a jetson society.

You would only need a few watts to transmit and talk directly to someone on the other side of the earth clear as a bell.

Now you know the real reason the technology was not brought forward.

Cant have next to free world wide communication and power reception.

imagine if we coult talk with anyone we wanted in china and russia 100 years ago when there was so much money to be made in wars and money to be made from OIL. Nope cant have that now can we.




Here we have it, technology in the west has been halted to stop me talking to people in China.


fuck yeh, the FBI was literally waiting at the door for tesla to die so they could come in and confiscate everything AND THEY DID!




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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/22/2012 7:10:10 PM   
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quote:

An open circuit is one where the continuity has been broken by an interruption in the path for electrons to flow. (extremely high resistance)


Realone..... Your addition of "extremely high resistance" is laughable.

There is no resistance since the circuit is incomplete due to the device causing the resistance not being incorporated in the circuit.

http://dictionary.kids.net.au/word/resistance



thanks for your childrens reference. I told you that you are not a lineman. Everyone comes out here blatting their qualifications then when put on the hot seat fall face first in their own shit. Not only are you not a lineman neither do you know anything about electricity or you would know that there is resistance in an open circuit and stop pouring your loonacy on innocent people out here.

The resistance of an open switch in dry air at room temperature is approx. 15x10^12 ohms per mm. Since you dont know what that means, another way to say it to layman is 15, mega-mega ohms.

When the potential exceeds the resistance value an arc will occur completing the circuit.





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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/22/2012 7:21:00 PM   
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Grounding is even more important in this case because that's your (underground) antenna. Obviously the better it is then the better signal you will get. The above ground part (the coil) is basically just a resonator/magnifier. The top end of the coil radiates the signal as a passive relay station allowing you to put a regular antenna (or pieces of metal) near it and hear the signal clearly even if there's "no reception" through the antenna normally. It becomes a small beacon able to relay the signal to places where the radio won't work otherwise, all still powered from the source transmitter so doesn't even require additional power sources in those locations to extend the broadcast range.




I found a dollard video and about the 57 mark he is transmitting through the ground and from the power levels he describes one woud think it should not work, however it works very well. I noticed that his receiver is under the bluff. nice.

http://vimeo.com/11917342

another interesting observation is that there does not appear to be a "carrier". so it appears he is transmitting the signal carrierless.











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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/23/2012 6:55:31 AM   
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fuck yeh, the FBI was literally waiting at the door for tesla to die so they could come in and confiscate everything AND THEY DID.
 
Yes, because he was yammering on that he had perfected a 'death' beam while we were in a world war.  He didnt, they took his plans to patterson AFB and they were shit.
 
In 1952, Tesla's remaining papers and possessions were released to Sava Kosanovic´ and returned to Belgrade where they reside in a museum.

Conspiracy over.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/23/2012 11:37:54 AM   
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thanks for your childrens reference. I told you that you are not a lineman. Everyone comes out here blatting their qualifications then when put on the hot seat fall face first in their own shit. Not only are you not a lineman neither do you know anything about electricity or you would know that there is resistance in an open circuit and stop pouring your loonacy on innocent people out here.

The resistance of an open switch in dry air at room temperature is approx. 15x10^12 ohms per mm. Since you dont know what that means, another way to say it to layman is 15, mega-mega ohms.

When the potential exceeds the resistance value an arc will occur completing the circuit.




FFS there is no resistance across an open circuit, thats why it is called open. Your constant trolling would be better served if you turned off yahoo answers and read a book on the subject. I sugest you read about "infinity" first, because thats what you get on an open circuit.

Maybe lineman means something different in the US than here, I dont know. But it doesnt make my qualifications invalid, in fact you mentioning them every other post just shows you up for what you are.... A troll

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/23/2012 12:15:59 PM   
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You climb poles and do tranformers and sub stations and distribute power to the individual dwellings and commercial buildings and whatnot?

Unless you live in North Umbria, it might be different there.

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