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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 2:48:06 PM   
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2256 and now its 3356 khz or some shit, you aint talking about increasing frequency.

Then why do we care about those numbers, answer we dont because they come from nothing and mean that much

OK, now you are at super luminal velocities, so fine, in what way (what is the minkowski space) that you are distorting to exceed the speed of light in normal space (are tachyons at work here?) WHAT IS THE FIELD?

Nobody gives the glimmer of a fuck if you are polite or rude here, between us.

Say your shit and fuck the length of the wire, and dont for one instant consider I dont know what I am talking about you untutored buncombe artist. 

Say it or get fuckin lost.  give me the goddamn mechanism and its propagation.

dont lay here and tell me you got a wall outlet juice and plug it into a tesla coil and got faster than the speed of light, we got tvs and radios and cellphones that have exactly that and do not exceed the speed of light.  So, what is the magic shit yet to be revealed?    

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 2:53:28 PM   
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A signal generator is used to energise the coil. (fucking duh) 
Did you think it was 50-60 cycles/sec? we understand the concept of kilocycles that are now kilohertz and 3326. (fucking duh)

quit with the circular asswipe.  

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:02:48 PM   
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2256 and now its 3356 khz or some shit, you aint talking about increasing frequency.


Where did 3356 come from?

There is no magic. You simply energise a piece of wire via a signal generator/oscillator output connected to one end, the other end of the coil free. The negative/ground output of the signal gen is connected to a ground plane approx 60cm below the coil. As a quarter wave resonator the luminal frequency of the wire is calculated from 4 times the length, being the full wavelength. Bunched up the wave will be retarded, the measured frequency will be below the luminal frequency. Coiled in a 1:1 height to diameter ratio on a "hollow" frame, as Tesla's extra coil, this measured frequency goes beyond the luminal frequency. Up to 157% the velocity of light is possible in this way.

This, for example, is why the internet Tesla paradigm crew have no idea, when they have their long cylinder coils, the wire all being bunched together and in direct contact with other materials, no consideration of  anything except "more turns = bigger lightning bolts".

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:16:39 PM   
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Ohms law says that a light bulb will not light across a dead short...period.


I am so sick of your unknowing bullshit.   Ohms law doesn't say any goddamn thing as ridiculous as that.  



ok since its a dead short and has no VOLTAGE across a dead short by all means do demonstrate how the light lights using OHMS LAW when R = 0.

you know formulas work pretty well for that eh!







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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:20:14 PM   
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HUH?

does not apply? or that the correct answer could not be established simply through "ohms law"?

Ohms law says that a light bulb will not light across a dead short...period.
If you think it can then be my guest and bring your "ohms law" to the table and lets see how far you get with it..LOL


Where does Ohms law state that ? The potential difference across both terminals will vary depending on the load......

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With nothing on the circuit or with a load on the circuit grabbing both rods did not shock anyone.

How many more times do you need the same fucking thing explained to you.


Dunno, how many more times shall I post the answer.


the load is a dead short parallel with a bulb, the bulb lights even with a short across it.

finally starting to catch up LOL



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I`ll go one further. If you have a 415 volt suppy and 2 x 240v lamps, is it possible to wire the lamps up for normal use ?

You wouldnt think so but the answer, explained by Ohms Law, is wire them up in series, nor parallel.



good so you seem to know the difference between series and parallel, now if you have a constant voltage 240v supply (which is what the power line is), is it possible to wire them up in parallel and get full brightness?

Then what happens when you replace one bulb with a short, hence shorting the other bulb?

feel free to answer the same question I just asked for the 10,000th time, why does the lamp light in the tesla circuit but not in yours




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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:21:14 PM   
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NO, I just got done telling you that ohms law does not deal in your fantasies.

R=0 

E = I * 0

where does r=0 come from? not from anything in this world. not from your light bulb lighter.
Even superconductors have resistance.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:34:29 PM   
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fine you wanna go down that rabbit hole we can go there with you LMAO

a short is approximately 0 ohms, now some dumb ass earlier in the thread light bulbs are a short LOL know anything about that?

So since you want to go there what is the resistance of a 1 foot length of that 3/8the inch copper tubing.






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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:40:57 PM   
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You prove it.


I already did.

I'm not going out of my way to be polite because you disagree with everything anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time being nice about it and spending time writing an essay that is going to be ignored and simply said to be wrong regardless of what is written. So you are having abrupt answers in which you are expected to know certain things. Not my fault if you don't.

You brought up the magic.

You are bulking everything together as one. Super luminal velocities measured in the resonant frequency of a coil has nothing to do with light bulbs.

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a standing wave reinforces itself and gains amplitude, not frequency.


Yes. Frequency is not gained. You have been too busy arguing to be able to comprehend what I am talking about or even simple principles of physics. The resonant frequency is higher, the effective wavelength is shorter, according to the velocity of light as a limit such a high frequency is not possible, yet the higher frequency is measured. The reinforcement of amplitude occurs at an effectively shorter wavelength than the physical (full wave) length of the wire. Now as you earlier stated, due to burdens and not being in a vacuum, the effective wavelength should be longer, it "can't" be faster than light, the frequency "must" be lower. But it is higher, beyond 100% luminal. Repeatable, repeated, verifiable and verified, accessible for Joe Sixpack to test for himself and to see it with his own eyes. Very simple stuff. This is high school level physics.



Like I said, he simply does not fucking get it and wants to be taught while kicking and screaming all the way to the dunce corner LOL

go to any dump peeps can pick up all the parts for 50 bucks tops to do both the hairpin and the coils.

Dindt take green long to get your number!






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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:48:14 PM   
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2256 and now its 3356 khz or some shit, you aint talking about increasing frequency.


Where did 3356 come from?

There is no magic. You simply energise a piece of wire via a signal generator/oscillator output connected to one end, the other end of the coil free. The negative/ground output of the signal gen is connected to a ground plane approx 60cm below the coil. As a quarter wave resonator the luminal frequency of the wire is calculated from 4 times the length, being the full wavelength. Bunched up the wave will be retarded, the measured frequency will be below the luminal frequency. Coiled in a 1:1 height to diameter ratio on a "hollow" frame, as Tesla's extra coil, this measured frequency goes beyond the luminal frequency. Up to 157% the velocity of light is possible in this way.

This, for example, is why the internet Tesla paradigm crew have no idea, when they have their long cylinder coils, the wire all being bunched together and in direct contact with other materials, no consideration of  anything except "more turns = bigger lightning bolts".




well ron likes playing with his violet wand sparklers, few people realize those are tesla coils, designed for sparks as you said, not electrical transmission.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:55:36 PM   
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Like I said, he simply does not fucking get it and wants to be taught while kicking and screaming all the way to the dunce corner LOL

go to any dump peeps can pick up all the parts for 50 bucks tops to do both the hairpin and the coils.


Well it doesn't matter anyway. By the reasoning put forth here we should already have everything that will ever be invented. We already know everything, what's left to learn? In the words of Eric Dollard, what do you expect from Beavis and Butthead at the Superbowl?

[edit] Although to be clear, there is nothing wrong with questioning things and scepticism or curiosity. But there is no curiosity here, only denial. The thing is wrong regardless of what is said. Some "expert" isn't making millions through exploiting it, therefore it doesn't exist. Obviously nothing new will ever be invented from this point forth because if it was worth having then we would already have it.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 3:57:49 PM   
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No, exactly, it is high school level physics. has been said since the outset.

the resistance of a dead short is not 0 it is extremely high.  thats why it gets hot and melts and starts fires.  you know, like high school level physics.

And speaking of high school level physics, we now have an apparatus consisting of several parts, that  we can use to light a light bulb.  How convienient, but we already have that, and we dont need the apparatus plugged into the wall to light the lighbulb and consume Kwh of electricity to add to our bill.

Simple high school physics.

Other than that we got nothing here. 



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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:13:54 PM   
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No, exactly, it is high school level physics. has been said since the outset.

the resistance of a dead short is not 0 it is extremely high.  thats why it gets hot and melts and starts fires.  you know, like high school level physics.

And speaking of high school level physics, we now have an apparatus consisting of several parts, that  we can use to light a light bulb.  How convienient, but we already have that, and we dont need the apparatus plugged into the wall to light the lighbulb and consume Kwh of electricity to add to our bill.

Simple high school physics.

Other than that we got nothing here.


I believe the point here is not to say you should power your home with it, simply the fact that it works. Modern electrical engineering came after Tesla's work and excludes a lot. Even through the conventional method lighting a bulb would appear to be magic to primitive people. In the same way, as the modern understanding excludes most of the effects described by Tesla, it appears to be magic to "civilised" people. Yet the thing works. As far as the so-called "hairpin" circuit goes, by all conventional electrical engineering the bulb shouldn't light. The resistance of the loop is lower than the resistance of the bulb. It doesn't take into account that nodes appear along the loop, the bulb will light in one place but it won't in another, and these nodes are evenly distributed. This all comes back to the fundamental "transmission line problem". They have learned how to use electricity, but they don;t know what it is.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:14:48 PM   
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Ron beat me too it....... I am glad someone understands the basics.


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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:15:01 PM   
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No, exactly, it is high school level physics. has been said since the outset.

the resistance of a dead short is not 0 it is extremely high. 


yer boner, prosecution rests.


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Ron beat me too it....... I am glad someone understands the basics.












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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:22:41 PM   
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We've agreed from the outset that it works.  I have informed each and everyone on this thread (none of the tesla geeks did, and were most likely unaware of it) that it is used in every television, cell phone and computer.  I have also said that nothing moves faster than the speed of light as defined.

Nobody has said it doesnt work.  now, these nodes are interesting but not consequential in any way I see, they appear arbitrary, nobody is cutting these wire lengths using a vernier caliper and resonance balancing and therefore I dont see standing waves involved by exacting the lengths to some waves frequency integers and creating them betwixt and between these points.  Have you clipped  a millimeter off  (or added one to) the wire that trails the bulb allowing it to light?  does it still light the bulb?   

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:23:27 PM   
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HUH?

does not apply? or that the correct answer could not be established simply through "ohms law"?

Ohms law says that a light bulb will not light across a dead short...period.
If you think it can then be my guest and bring your "ohms law" to the table and lets see how far you get with it..LOL


Where does Ohms law state that ? The potential difference across both terminals will vary depending on the load......

quote:



With nothing on the circuit or with a load on the circuit grabbing both rods did not shock anyone.

How many more times do you need the same fucking thing explained to you.


Dunno, how many more times shall I post the answer.


the load is a dead short parallel with a bulb, the bulb lights even with a short across it.

finally starting to catch up LOL



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I`ll go one further. If you have a 415 volt suppy and 2 x 240v lamps, is it possible to wire the lamps up for normal use ?

You wouldnt think so but the answer, explained by Ohms Law, is wire them up in series, nor parallel.



good so you seem to know the difference between series and parallel, now if you have a constant voltage 240v supply (which is what the power line is), is it possible to wire them up in parallel and get full brightness?

Then what happens when you replace one bulb with a short, hence shorting the other bulb?

feel free to answer the same question I just asked for the 10,000th time, why does the lamp light in the tesla circuit but not in yours




Unsure why Im wasting my time but since you ask. If you change one lamp for a piece of wire, the other lamp will burn really bright for a second or two then explode. Thats because it now has 415v running through it.

If you think electricity wont flow through a dead short, how do you think a kettle works ? I dont know why Im having to explain the obvious to you.

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:26:37 PM   
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Inept basic physics lesson for him, old cheese.  I don't believe he knows what Tetley is, and would have no frame of reference in the physical world. 

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:27:56 PM   
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quote:

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HUH?

does not apply? or that the correct answer could not be established simply through "ohms law"?

Ohms law says that a light bulb will not light across a dead short...period.
If you think it can then be my guest and bring your "ohms law" to the table and lets see how far you get with it..LOL


Where does Ohms law state that ? The potential difference across both terminals will vary depending on the load......

quote:



With nothing on the circuit or with a load on the circuit grabbing both rods did not shock anyone.

How many more times do you need the same fucking thing explained to you.


Dunno, how many more times shall I post the answer.


the load is a dead short parallel with a bulb, the bulb lights even with a short across it.

finally starting to catch up LOL



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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I`ll go one further. If you have a 415 volt suppy and 2 x 240v lamps, is it possible to wire the lamps up for normal use ?

You wouldnt think so but the answer, explained by Ohms Law, is wire them up in series, nor parallel.



good so you seem to know the difference between series and parallel, now if you have a constant voltage 240v supply (which is what the power line is), is it possible to wire them up in parallel and get full brightness?

Then what happens when you replace one bulb with a short, hence shorting the other bulb?

feel free to answer the same question I just asked for the 10,000th time, why does the lamp light in the tesla circuit but not in yours




Unsure why Im wasting my time but since you ask. If you change one lamp for a piece of wire, the other lamp will burn really bright for a second or two then explode. Thats because it now has 415v running through it.

If you think electricity wont flow through a dead short, how do you think a kettle works ? I dont know why Im having to explain the obvious to you.



I will repeat the question:


good so you seem to know the difference between series and parallel, now if you have a constant voltage 240v supply (which is what the power line is), is it possible to wire them up in parallel and get full brightness?

Then what happens when you replace one bulb with a short, hence shorting the other bulb?

feel free to answer the same question I just asked for the 10,000th time, why does the lamp light in the tesla circuit but not in yours

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:34:20 PM   
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it has not been proven that occurs. 

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RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? - 8/21/2012 4:35:07 PM   
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what that?

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