RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny

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lovmuffin -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:09:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: The constitution is a set of timeless principles that are as valid today as they were back in the day. Maybe you think freedom of speech can somehow evolve into some kind of living organism too. This living document BS is a means for some who would interpret the constitution to suit their needs. Like, say, keeping the parts about slaves. No like going by the proscribed fixes to amend the document as was done to deal with that.

mnottertail -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:13:18 PM)
God bless Gouverneur Morris

Musicmystery -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:13:43 PM)
Meaning, it's a living document, not a set of timeless principles.

lovmuffin -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:19:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Meaning, it's a living document, not a set of timeless principles. Well if you want to parse words then maybe. The fact we can amend the constitution would make it a living document. Does that make ya happy ?? The notion that we can interpret the constitution in a way other than the original intent because of some perceived modern circumstance then no, it's not a living document.

Musicmystery -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:22:09 PM)
The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). If you viewed current discussions about race by the original intent, we'd have a host of problems. And that's just one obvious point. Things aren't like they were in 1789.

mnottertail -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:22:19 PM)
Except the Supreme Court is disagreeing with that, so holding a notion in your head is not the equivalent to holiding it in your hand.

Yachtie -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:22:38 PM)
fr- Some people think the Constitution is a living document simply because they wish to kill it.

mnottertail -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:24:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). If you viewed current discussions about race by the original intent, we'd have a host of problems. And that's just one obvious point. Things aren't like they were in 1789. 3/5ths and it was to give the southern states more unwarranted representation.

Musicmystery -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:24:39 PM)
Interesting, but unsupported, perspective. I've noticed the same among "strict constructionists," who really just spin things their way.

Yachtie -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:32:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). Wrong. Do us all a favor. Please get educated.

Real0ne -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:33:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). If you viewed current discussions about race by the original intent, we'd have a host of problems. And that's just one obvious point. Things aren't like they were in 1789. and how is that different than the way the rest of us are treated by the sovereign aristocracy right this moment? or the sovereign states if it made them more money and they could get away with it? mmm?

Musicmystery -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:35:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). If you viewed current discussions about race by the original intent, we'd have a host of problems. And that's just one obvious point. Things aren't like they were in 1789. 3/5ths and it was to give the southern states more unwarranted representation. Thanks.

Real0ne -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:37:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie fr- Some people think the Constitution is a living document simply because they wish to kill it. yup just more socialist bullshit from some philosopher with no basis in law. sounds pretty flashy though...for a worthless definition

Real0ne -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:38:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). If you viewed current discussions about race by the original intent, we'd have a host of problems. And that's just one obvious point. Things aren't like they were in 1789. 3/5ths and it was to give the southern states more unwarranted representation. Thanks. apparently he feels that their vote should not have counted for anything at all. your welcome.

mnottertail -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:39:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). Wrong. Do us all a favor. Please get educated. No, he was right. They got folks in the house and if the negro and indian wasnt taxed wthout representation I don't know who was. At the very least, they was a little put out, without representation wasn't they.

thompsonx -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:40:34 PM)
quote: If you will note many of your examples were naval operations not army, they are regarded as two seperate orginizations. Marines fall under the Department of the Navy. At that time what was known as the Department of War, did have Army personal, West Point graduates. There was also the Army Corp of Engineers who spent much of there duties maping and surveying. The 3rd Infantry Regiment was active, but their duty was to protect Washington DC and the President. In fact you did not mentioned John Brown's raid on Harper Ferry in 1859 the US forces were led by General Robert E. Lee and General J.E.B.Stuart who led the charge, both Army but the rank and file were Marines. Yes the Congress as by Constituation did call up army, but as also noted they could only do it for 2 years. Would you care to tell us how many times the army has been disbanded?

Real0ne -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:42:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Meaning, it's a living document, not a set of timeless principles. Well if you want to parse words then maybe. The fact we can amend the constitution would make it a living document. Does that make ya happy ?? The notion that we can interpret the constitution in a way other than the original intent because of some perceived modern circumstance then no, it's not a living document. yeh dont let him shit ya! The law the bill of rights is based in goes back to the beginning of time. The constition is presumed the reservation of that law and they by sworn oath are to protect and acknowledge that law. of course we can wipe our asses with it since they control both sides of the contract not us, and its more akin to exactly the way it was under the king and the magna charta, you could wipe your ass with that too after a while.

Musicmystery -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:43:40 PM)
quote: The law the bill of rights is based in goes back to the beginning of time. A LOT of societies missed that memo.

mnottertail -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:45:19 PM)
what did people wipe with before the magna carta? Incedentally, it appears that it was a larger document than I had first supposed. Well, eat cheese and bind yourself up on it. Save a nation save a tree....

Real0ne -> RE: MYTH: 2nd Amendment written to protect people AGAINST government tyranny (5/14/2012 2:46:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery The original intent was to treat negro slaves as less than people. They were even counted that way (what was it, 2/5 of a person?). Wrong. Do us all a favor. Please get educated. No, he was right. They got folks in the house and if the negro and indian wasnt taxed wthout representation I don't know who was. At the very least, they was a little put out, without representation wasn't they. no the original intent was to treat them exactly as the law prescribed. They were under yoke, hence not free, meaning not franchised, meaning not a citizen, meaning not owned by the gubafia. When they were set free and franchised vassals of the sovereign, that is the gubafia now their VOTE could count as 1 full vote. Had nothing to do with racism. that is tarded.

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