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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:15:45 PM   
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One thing about it, if/when you find out WHY these people must do it, please tell all of us.

I have met my share of Jehovah's Witnesses, and according to them, they HAVE to go out and try to convert others, it is part of what they believe.
I believe they have to do this type of thing in order to be one.

Other than that, I don't have a clue.

Why do Jehovah Witness go door to door?


Proselytization is a basic tenet of ALL Christian religions, not just JW.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:16:52 PM   
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Define the fucking context you're trying to use


It's right there, back in the posts and on more than one occasion.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:20:26 PM   
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Certain people of these religions bother you, not the entire spread of followers.

There are people who believers in one God or another *raises hand* who do believe in peaceful cohabitation among all faiths or lack thereof.

I personally can say that I don't really care what somebody puts faith in: God, science, the wind blowing- whatever floats your boat.

Be a decent human being- and I don't care beyond that point. There are lots of us out there.

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I kindly ask the people who think this is an anti-Christian thread, to please, please, please go back to my original post and to please read the entire thread.

I started with the premise that many people need religion, so that religion is a part of human existence that will likely always be with us.

As the discussion proceeded I then expressed my viewpoint that I would like peaceful co-existence with those of religious faith (of whatever religion they happen to be). I support freedom of religion, but I also support the notion of a secular state.

My issue is that some religions, due to their religious doctrine, are actually at cross-purposes with peaceful co-existence. Peaceful co-existence only works if both sides are willing to let the other just be. Peaceful coexistence also presumes that the political and legal machinery of the country are not taken over by people who want to impose one particular religion's viewpoint.

My personal experience with some particular religions has been that they will not let me be. Either personally (through their proselytization efforts) or in my general life (through their influence on politics).

I am not anti-any religion. My mother is a deeply religious person, and if anyone messes with her ability to practice her own religion, including those who try to convert her to something else, it troubles me. Respect for religion also means respect for all religions not just one's own.



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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:21:34 PM   
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Gospel of Matthew: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Most self-described Christian groups have organizations devoted to missionary work which in whole or in part includes proselytism of people of other faiths (including sometimes other variants of Christianity). This would include Christian groups like Baptists, Roman Catholics etc.

Proselytization is a basic tenet of Christianity. People who are believers do it because they believe they are obligated to do so.

Most fund raising in Christian churches go to overhead and missionary work (i.e., spreading the gospel). Obviously missionary work is not about spreading the gospel to those who already believe in Christ.


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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:24:54 PM   
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If you are unwilling to feed and house the homeless guy sleeping on the pavement, how can you claim to be a sheep rather than a goat?



Yes, but there's probably *some* part of the Bible that says it's OK to be a git in the specific way that a person wants to be a git, surely?


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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:25:22 PM   
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Just going to respond to this in the best manner I can.

Certain people of these religions bother you, not the entire spread of followers.

There are people who believers in one God or another *raises hand* who do believe in peaceful cohabitation among all faiths or lack thereof.

I personally can say that I don't really care what somebody puts faith in: God, science, the wind blowing- whatever floats your boat.

Be a decent human being- and I don't care beyond that point. There are lots of us out there.



Again, I support freedom of religion and the concept of a secular state. So as long as one, or a few, religious groups don't dominate how politics get shaped, everything is good. But that is not the case in America today.

So if there are lots of you out there, please support the concept of a secular state. Support a country where we don't allow particular religions to make the laws.

And if you can't support such a secular state, then understand that the laws that are driven by particular religions impose on people of other faiths (like my mother), and impose on people of no religious faith (like me).

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:30:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you MissA.
You look marvelous in your new picture.

Peace and have a great evening, you little believer you.

Also, don't you go out and bother any elderly women proselytizing tonight, or I will spank you.


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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:38:02 PM   
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Just going to respond to this in the best manner I can.

Certain people of these religions bother you, not the entire spread of followers.

There are people who believers in one God or another *raises hand* who do believe in peaceful cohabitation among all faiths or lack thereof.

I personally can say that I don't really care what somebody puts faith in: God, science, the wind blowing- whatever floats your boat.

Be a decent human being- and I don't care beyond that point. There are lots of us out there.



Again, I support freedom of religion and the concept of a secular state. So as long as one, or a few, religious groups don't dominate how politics get shaped, everything is good. But that is not the case in America today.

So if there are lots of you out there, please support the concept of a secular state. Support a country where we don't allow particular religions to make the laws.



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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:39:34 PM   
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I agree with you MissA.
You look marvelous in your new picture.

Peace and have a great evening, you little believer you.

Also, don't you go out and bother any elderly women proselytizing tonight, or I will spank you.


Peace



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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:43:28 PM   
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Speaking for myself- i already do. I think laws based on religion are stupid, I don't vote for any laws that are backed by a religious agenda.



Again, part of the point I am trying to make is that certain religions seem to require that all of us follow the same agenda. I am simply trying to point out that the "culture wars" are quite real, because a certain number of believers (all over the world) believe their way is the right way not only for them, but for everyone.

And some of the reasons they believe this is because this is, in fact, part of their religion as a basic tenet.

So I am raising the philosophical issue of how we can peacefully co-exist with people who do not believe in peaceful co-existence? It puts those of us who are more tolerant in a bit of a dilemma.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:54:51 PM   
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Speaking for myself- i already do. I think laws based on religion are stupid, I don't vote for any laws that are backed by a religious agenda.



Again, part of the point I am trying to make is that certain religions seem to require that all of us follow the same agenda. I am simply trying to point out that the "culture wars" are quite real, because a certain number of believers (all over the world) believe their way is the right way not only for them, but for everyone.

And some of the reasons they believe this is because this is, in fact, part of their religion as a basic tenet.

So I am raising the philosophical issue of how we can peacefully co-exist with people who do not believe in peaceful co-existence? It puts those of us who are more tolerant in a bit of a dilemma.



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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:56:24 PM   
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Sorry, I'm the spanker, not the spankee.


sigh, I knew you would not let that one slide.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 2:59:15 PM   
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Define the fucking context you're trying to use


It's right there, back in the posts and on more than one occasion.

No it isn't.
You've yet to come out with a single word to suggest that Matthew 25 doesn't apply to you.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:13:02 PM   
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Proselytization is a basic tenet of ALL Christian religions, not just JW.


Sorry. I need to call "Bullshit, Bob!" here.

It is NOT a basic tenet of the Christian religion in which I was raised. In fact, private reading of the Bible was not condoned. Teaching the bible to others was not condoned (because we were not knowledgable enough to be able to interpret it, correctly). The only form of "prostheletyzing" that was allowed was we were always encouraged to invite friends and thei families to midnight mass on Christmas.

Moreover, painting all people of a certain group with the same brush is exactly what you started out complaining about.

I guess it isn't just the theists that tend toward that behavior?



Peace and comfort,



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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:27:54 PM   
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"I became an atheist when I found out gawd hates faggots."

made me snort

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:29:56 PM   
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Proselytization is a basic tenet of ALL Christian religions, not just JW.


Sorry. I need to call "Bullshit, Bob!" here.

It is NOT a basic tenet of the Christian religion in which I was raised. In fact, private reading of the Bible was not condoned. Teaching the bible to others was not condoned (because we were not knowledgable enough to be able to interpret it, correctly). The only form of "prostheletyzing" that was allowed was we were always encouraged to invite friends and thei families to midnight mass on Christmas.

Moreover, painting all people of a certain group with the same brush is exactly what you started out complaining about.

I guess it isn't just the theists that tend toward that behavior?



Peace and comfort,



Michael


That sounds similar to the Catholic tradition in which I was raised. No bible reading for us. No siree. Of course, we did have a history of Conquistadores and Inquisitions.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:37:07 PM   
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Proselytization is a basic tenet of ALL Christian religions, not just JW.


Sorry. I need to call "Bullshit, Bob!" here.

It is NOT a basic tenet of the Christian religion in which I was raised. In fact, private reading of the Bible was not condoned. Teaching the bible to others was not condoned (because we were not knowledgable enough to be able to interpret it, correctly). The only form of "prostheletyzing" that was allowed was we were always encouraged to invite friends and thei families to midnight mass on Christmas.

Moreover, painting all people of a certain group with the same brush is exactly what you started out complaining about.

I guess it isn't just the theists that tend toward that behavior?



Peace and comfort,



Michael

I am only going by what is in the gospels and how major Christian groups, including Catholics, have chosen to interpret this. If you are a group who does not believe that you are responsible for other people's souls, then great. (Again, this goes back to the picking and choosing pieces of the Bible that each branch of Christianity engages in - it is quite impossible to keep up with as there appears to be no single Christian church that follows all of the Bible.) So forgive me for painting such a broad stroke, but then you and your group are not at issue, because you should then have no trouble with the concept of "live and let live" and no trouble with the concept of a truly secular state that recognizes freedom of religion. I am concerned about those groups, and some of them are very large, for whom proselytization and evangelism are a major part of their religious belief system, and these groups are involved in mission and evangelical work throughout the world.

For the record and as background:

These efforts stem from the following:

Gospel of Matthew: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

And while different groups of Christians may have interpreted this differently from each other (as is the case with almost every passage in the Bible), it is, from a historical perspective, generally conceded that Christianity was a proselytizing movement. Proselytization, in the form of mission work, is still a major part of the Roman Catholic church.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:41:14 PM   
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And the voices with the least interest in Christ's message, in my experience.


I utterly agree with you. When asked if I was Christian, I have answered "No, I just try to behave as one". Stunned looks in response.


This brought to mind a favorite observation from spiritual writer Kathleen Norris, who is a great favorite of mine. Whenever someone declares "I'm a Christian," Norris recounted in an interview, she always thinks, "Already? I've been working on it my whole life, and I'm not there yet."

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:43:31 PM   
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I think laws based on religion are stupid, I don't vote for any laws that are backed by a religious agenda.


I take your point, but I can't resist asking: Was the antislavery movement stupid? The Civil Rights movement? Both had deep religious roots.

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RE: Why Atheism Scares People - 5/16/2012 3:45:54 PM   
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I'm pretty sure I have no bearing on what happened in years past.


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I think laws based on religion are stupid, I don't vote for any laws that are backed by a religious agenda.


I take your point, but I can't resist asking: Was the antislavery movement stupid? The Civil Rights movement? Both had deep religious roots.



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