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Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 2:52:12 AM   
Mupainurpleasure


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Status: offline 		I am not sure why anyone wouldnegotitate with him. He completely abandoned the last debt deal. I get the concern over debt and share it but when you make a coimmitment and then completely abandon it 9 months later why would the other side make a deal with you? Let the country default. In the end we qwill be better off the republican party will be repolaced with a governing party that governs and compromises after the depression
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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 5:02:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		We will NOT be better off. Instead of viewing this as a Dem vs GOP thing, view it as separation of powers.

While the Judicial branch has by and large hewed to its stated purpose of simply implementing laws passed by the Executive/Legislative branches in the manner which fits into the existing legal framework as best as possible, the rest of the system is outta whack. The Executive branch has increasingly been usurping power over decades and the Legislative has cooperatively ceded it. The absolute nadir is that Congress cannot even pass a budget - different groups refuse to compromise and grandstand and bicker instead, and then try to make it look like passing a last minute band aid that kicks the can down the road, is a massive effort when it should be a day or two of debate followed by dealmaking.

It's only going to weaken Congress more to be essentially unable to write a check.

It's just a matter of time before a President speaks out to the people and tells them the high cost of having hundreds of legislators that cannot agree to do a damn things, and are paid many times more than you or I will ever be for it. Congress is setting itself up to be held up to ridicule, and weakened still more. That is NOT a good thing.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 6:54:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The GOP has another problem, spending, taxes and the deficit are lower today than the day Obama took office.



http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Obamabudgetchart.png

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/05/15/484767/obama-budget-chart/

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 7:18:27 AM   
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Let the country default. In the end we qwill be better off the republican party will be repolaced with a governing party that governs and compromises after the depression


Default for the hell of it is a mantra these idiots like Ryan throw out because in the VERY UNLIKELY EVENT the President calls them on their bluff, all the shit hits the fan and GUESS WHO THEY BLAME AGAIN.
It's very much like Steven describes it but, really, he's being extraordinarily charitable. To me, it's more like a bunch of pussy preppie boys playing chicken against one guy but making up this story about facing down a whole army.
They're full of shit, they don't care what harm they do to this country, and the FUCKING ABJECT IDIOTS that voted them in aren't even close to smart enough to understand the ass-fucking they are taking for the 'team'. Some team when they use YOU for the ball, isn't it?



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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 7:21:10 AM   
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The GOP has another problem, spending, taxes and the deficit are lower today than the day Obama took office.



No problem they're on it... "Hey Ryan, stop suckin off Craig and whip us up another budgetary bullshit story, and get out there on the house floor with that weepy look of phony concern for America".


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 7:25:06 AM   
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The approval rating of congress is 14.6% but they don't seem to give a shit.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 9:27:01 AM   
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Let the country default.


I have often pointed out why we are not in the doomsday scenario people love to tout.

But THIS would bring your doomsday. It would be the dumbest, most reckless thing any Congress has ever done, and the damage to our economy and confidence in it would last decades. Think there's a credit crunch NOW? Loan rates would soar, opening the door to hyperinflation. Unemployment would be unparalleled.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 9:58:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know why Boehner isn't pulling the trigger (wasn't it supposed to be pulled months ago?) on the debt deal. I thought both sides had compelling reasons to hammer out a deal, but, apparently, they didn't have compelling enough reason. Why the automatic cuts didn't start, I don't know.

But, to pin all this on Boehner and House Republicans is beyond ludicrous. The House has passed a budget the last two years while the Democrat-controlled Congress hasn't, and hasn't even brought one up for a vote the past 2-3 years.

You can't argue that one side is to blame while the other is innocent. If you aren't willing to compromise on the things that are most important to the other side, you, too, are complicit. Thus, both parties are at fault. Both parties. Not one. Not the other. Both.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 10:40:35 AM   
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I don't know why Boehner isn't pulling the trigger (wasn't it supposed to be pulled months ago?) on the debt deal. I thought both sides had compelling reasons to hammer out a deal, but, apparently, they didn't have compelling enough reason. Why the automatic cuts didn't start, I don't know.

But, to pin all this on Boehner and House Republicans is beyond ludicrous. The House has passed a budget the last two years while the Democrat-controlled Congress hasn't, and hasn't even brought one up for a vote the past 2-3 years.

You can't argue that one side is to blame while the other is innocent. If you aren't willing to compromise on the things that are most important to the other side, you, too, are complicit. Thus, both parties are at fault. Both parties. Not one. Not the other. Both.

republicans completely pulled out of debt deal and abandoned sequestration. I can blame that entirely on them becaue they did it. They have called for socila service cuts to replace the defense cuts as part of the deal. I can blame them for abandoning their comproimises in total and I do.



If we ever defaulted it would be the end of them for bringing it on and a history lesson taught for generations. We have low taxes and talk about default??????

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 10:42:06 AM   
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The House has passed a budget the last two years while the Democrat-controlled Congress hasn't

You are aware that the House is controlled by the Republicans, yes?

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hasn't even brought one up for a vote the past 2-3 years


Then how is it we got budgets for those years? The Budget Fairy?


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 10:47:31 AM   
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I don't know why Boehner isn't pulling the trigger (wasn't it supposed to be pulled months ago?) on the debt deal. I thought both sides had compelling reasons to hammer out a deal, but, apparently, they didn't have compelling enough reason. Why the automatic cuts didn't start, I don't know.


See my earlier post... THAT'S WHY... and all the pondering in the world won't change the root. It is exactly what it is.
A game of chicken.
The people who need to worry are those who bought it. Time for them to synch up with fucking reality.
And John Boehner is the MOST SUCK-ASS speaker of the house I have seen in my adult life and this comes after agreeing that I like many of you don't like Nancy Pelosi.
He is a complete WASTE of television airtime.


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 10:50:05 AM   
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Then how is it we got budgets for those years? The Budget Fairy?


He doesn't get that the budgets have been posted in chunks. His talking heads deny it's even occurring when it's time to write a fake report card for whomever they're dissing at the moment.


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 1:48:49 PM   
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The House has passed a budget the last two years while the Democrat-controlled Congress hasn't

You are aware that the House is controlled by the Republicans, yes?


Um, yeah. That was the initial condition set to show a contrast between them and the Democrat Senate.

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hasn't even brought one up for a vote the past 2-3 years

Then how is it we got budgets for those years? The Budget Fairy?


Are you going to tell me that the Senate passed their budget? That's not the same thing as passing the President's budget.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 1:57:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The senate passed their budget...........waltz me thru that little bit of constitutional chicanery.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 2:07:52 PM   
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Then how is it we got budgets for those years? The Budget Fairy?

He doesn't get that the budgets have been posted in chunks. His talking heads deny it's even occurring when it's time to write a fake report card for whomever they're dissing at the moment.


Yeah, I'm just making this shit up.

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/mar/14/johnny-isakson/isakson-democrats-failed-submit-budget-1000-days/

While it is rated as "mostly false," the wrap up doesn't really seem to really jive with the rating:

    No budget has been passed in the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate. None has been put up for a vote in that time, either. But one was submitted April 26, 2010, or 640 days before Isakson issued his press release.

    That said, this flaw in Isakson’s statement doesn’t undermine his larger point. The budget resolution for 2011 languished. It never went up for a vote, and Democrats haven’t submitted one since. In the past few years, Senate Democrats have taken limited action on budget resolutions.

    The statement contains a kernel of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression. It meets our definition of Mostly False.


So, a resolution was submitted 21 months ago that was never voted on, never discussed, and never got out of committee. And, I do admit that I didn't fully understand the "resolution" part.

Still. The Senate isn't even passing spending frameworks. They have submitted one in the last 3 years. But, the Republicans are the only ones that are bad. Uh huh.

I'm not even saying that Boehner isn't wrong in this. At least I'm fair about it. I'll knock the R's using the same standards I use for D's.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 2:12:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		NO, they looked at the republican budgets, saw that they were solid horseshit and a waste of time, and did not bother wasting the senates time with them.

They did the same with the ratpoison bill (aka republican jobs bill) btw.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 3:28:09 PM   
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The Senate isn't even passing spending frameworks. They have submitted one in the last 3 years.


Clearly, you don't understand how the budget process works. It doesn't start with the Senate.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 3:36:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is the responsibility, conservatives should look that word up, of the House to produce a budget that can pass the Senate and get the President's signature. Failing to even attempt to do so is a failure to fulfill their duty. This nation was founded on the principle of democratic compromise and the present GOP has abandoned that principle to all of our detriment.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 3:53:53 PM   
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No budget has been passed in the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate. None has been put up for a vote in that time, either. But one was submitted April 26, 2010, or 640 days before Isakson issued his press release.


Did I say the republicans weren't also blocking before they took control... you cute little politifact (not well regarded land of the Obameter.. try snopes or some credible source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com#Criticism_of_specific_fact_checks).

I'm sorry the republicans have decided to behave like a fucking skin rash in congress instead of a "get something done" majority.
They have created a FAILED CONGRESS AND BOEHNER GETS THE BLAME.


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 4:03:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, is the Ryan Budget supposed to be non fiction that I should take it serious? I will take it serious when it plugs in CBO growth numbers instead of numbers that if used on Obamas budget would result in even more deficit reduction

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