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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/16/2012 6:56:48 PM   
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So, is the Ryan Budget supposed to be non fiction that I should take it serious?


Oh no... take that one seriously and I'll think you slipped a fucking cog.
To be honest. I t6hink Ryan's REAL JOB is to come up with a budget that no clear thinking person would vote for. That way he guarantees a stalemate in the House.
Ryan is part of a stupid fucking game.


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 8:14:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
NO, they looked at the republican budgets, saw that they were solid horseshit and a waste of time, and did not bother wasting the senates time with them.
They did the same with the ratpoison bill (aka republican jobs bill) btw.


Yeah, that'll show 'em!!

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/24/senate-majority-leader-harry-reid-theres-no-need-to-have-a-democratic-budget-in-my-opinion/

    "The last time the Senate passed a budget was April 29, 2009, which was, if you are counting — and Jeff Sessions is — 755 days ago.”


Remind me, again, when it was that the Republicans took control of the House? Wasn't that the mid-term elections? So, the Democrats decided to not pass a budget resolution in 2010 in advance of the Republican-led House budget resolutions?

That's quite interesting.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 8:36:14 AM   
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The Senate isn't even passing spending frameworks. They have submitted one in the last 3 years.

Clearly, you don't understand how the budget process works. It doesn't start with the Senate.


Yeah, I know, right?

Nevermind that each House of Congress is supposed to pass their own budget resolutions and then find a compromise if the two are different. We can just throw that out of the way and forget about it.

What we you saying, again?

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 8:40:11 AM   
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It is the responsibility, conservatives should look that word up, of the House to produce a budget that can pass the Senate and get the President's signature. Failing to even attempt to do so is a failure to fulfill their duty. This nation was founded on the principle of democratic compromise and the present GOP has abandoned that principle to all of our detriment.


Yes, that is why we have two houses of Congress. The first one to pass bills that will pass the second one. It's a built-in redundancy for...uh...hmmm...

That is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard, Ken. Absolute nonsense. What happens, in your supposed scenario, when the House and the Senate both pass a bill that the President vetoes? Has Congress failed in their duties? What is the veto override process for, then?

I know these things don't really matter to many. Most on here are going to bash Conservatives regardless.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 8:50:25 AM   
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No budget has been passed in the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate. None has been put up for a vote in that time, either. But one was submitted April 26, 2010, or 640 days before Isakson issued his press release.

Did I say the republicans weren't also blocking before they took control... you cute little politifact (not well regarded land of the Obameter.. try snopes or some credible source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com#Criticism_of_specific_fact_checks).
I'm sorry the republicans have decided to behave like a fucking skin rash in congress instead of a "get something done" majority.
They have created a FAILED CONGRESS AND BOEHNER GETS THE BLAME.


I'm having a tough time between guffaws in writing this. You tell me to try a credible source, and then quote ... lmao ... wikipedia?!?!? While I do find Wiki to be a great place to start research and to get leads, it's not usually the only source I use. That's fantastic, though. Beautiful.

Now, if you'd like to push up a link from snopes, I'm more than happy to read it and respond.

The House of Representatives has been passing things, and the Senate has been voting those things down. Yet, it's the Republicans who are failing? How is that? How is it that, in a two party system where one party rules one house and the other party rules the other house, when they can't get things passed, it's the fault of only one party?

Ideologies certainly do throw up some crazy shit, don't they?

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 9:18:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
It is the responsibility, conservatives should look that word up, of the House to produce a budget that can pass the Senate and get the President's signature. Failing to even attempt to do so is a failure to fulfill their duty. This nation was founded on the principle of democratic compromise and the present GOP has abandoned that principle to all of our detriment.


Yes, that is why we have two houses of Congress. The first one to pass bills that will pass the second one. It's a built-in redundancy for...uh...hmmm...

That is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard, Ken. Absolute nonsense. What happens, in your supposed scenario, when the House and the Senate both pass a bill that the President vetoes? Has Congress failed in their duties? What is the veto override process for, then?

I know these things don't really matter to many. Most on here are going to bash Conservatives regardless.

Pardon me? I'm ignorant because I say the House has a responsibility to craft budgets that can pass the Senate? Have you ever bothered reading the Constitution?


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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 9:21:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
The House of Representatives has been passing things, and the Senate has been voting those things down. Yet, it's the Republicans who are failing? How is that? How is it that, in a two party system where one party rules one house and the other party rules the other house, when they can't get things passed, it's the fault of only one party?

If the House passes a budget that is so completely unacceptable that the Senate cannot reasonably amend it into something they find acceptable it is most definitely the fault of the House and the House is in the hands of the GOP.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 9:44:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the House passes a budget that is so completely unacceptable that the Senate cannot reasonably amend it into something they find acceptable it is most definitely the fault of the House and the House is in the hands of the GOP.

And when the amendments in the senate are passed the bill must go before a joint committee and be reconciled and revoted and that aint gonna happen.

But this whole Boehner thing, when the did the debt ceiling and the interim fundings on the basis of we will handle the real stuff later, is anyone surprised that the house is trying to stick it to him?

That was a given, even when they were shaking hands and smiling and congratulating each other.



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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/17/2012 11:07:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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The Senate isn't even passing spending frameworks. They have submitted one in the last 3 years.

Clearly, you don't understand how the budget process works. It doesn't start with the Senate.


Yeah, I know, right?

Nevermind that each House of Congress is supposed to pass their own budget resolutions and then find a compromise if the two are different. We can just throw that out of the way and forget about it.

What we you saying, again?

I was saying clearly you don't understand the budget process. You just demonstrated that again.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/18/2012 4:08:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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The Senate isn't even passing spending frameworks. They have submitted one in the last 3 years.

Clearly, you don't understand how the budget process works. It doesn't start with the Senate.

Yeah, I know, right?
Nevermind that each House of Congress is supposed to pass their own budget resolutions and then find a compromise if the two are different. We can just throw that out of the way and forget about it.
What we you saying, again?

I was saying clearly you don't understand the budget process. You just demonstrated that again.


Uh huh. Whatever, dude. Whatever.

So, you are saying that the House of Representatives isn't supposed to pass a budget resolution, and the Senate isn't supposed to pass one of their own, both independent of the President's budget? Is that really the story you're sticking to?

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/18/2012 6:44:23 AM   
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YOUR CONSTITUTION:

Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

So, the senate, like the president may propose a budget to the house, or amend a budget passed by the house and sent up for concurrance, at which time they can reconcile if they can come to a compromise.  But if the Senate were to pass a budget as a bill, send it down to the house, you would see the second amendment throwdown in action.

And I would lead that motherfucker. Lotta shit I don't like about the constitution, but we aint got a spare one laying around, its the onliest one we got.     

< Message edited by mnottertail -- 5/18/2012 6:45:14 AM >

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/18/2012 8:57:26 AM   
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Whatever.

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/18/2012 9:08:17 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Well, dude, there is more in the constitution about these matters, but that is the short and sweet whatever of it.  

Now does every dude get whatever?    

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RE: Boehner commits to another debt showdown - 5/18/2012 9:27:24 AM   
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