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Arturas -> Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 6:41:48 PM)

MSNBC on "The Ed Show" reports that Wisconsin loses 30,100 jobs in a year under GOP Gov. Scott Walker, who we all know is under a recall effort by the local Democratic party (note however, the National DNC has pulled their money out of this effort two days ago, but that is not really important to this post, just some side information to help you understand why every other word on MSNBC bemoans the lack of money for this effort without mentioning the fact the DNC has withdrawn their monetary support of the effort, heaven forbid.). Now back to Mr. Ed's show; Mr. Ed backs this statement up by quoting information released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics so he is certainly right in what he said.

"OMG" I say to myself, this means our GOP Governor must be toast. But that's not all dear friends, Mr. Ed then contrasts this with Governer Walker's public position that Wisconsin gained 23,321 jobs between December 2010 and December 2011. "Double Toast", I think.

And, since this is a typical well planned and staged MSNBC talking point, it gets better. Much better. Mr Ed then then puts the Democratic Mayor of Milwalkee, Tom Barrett, who would become Governer if the recall effort is successful, he puts the Mayor on and asks him if he thinks Walker is a liar. Point Blank. So, "here it is", I say to myself, "The clincher that spells death to that rascal Governer Walker".

But much to even my surprise, the Honorable Mr. Barrett side steps the question entirely and goes on to say Walker has no interest in having the media follow this record and how bad it is that jobs are lost in Wisconsin under this evil GOP Governer, blah, blah, blah.

Well, being the experienced MSNBC right winger watcher I am, this naturally (naturally after watching how MSNBC works) gets my suspicion up since the question was completely and deftly side stepped, and so well btw. So, is Walker a liar or not? What's going on here?

Here is the OP question to start this thread: How did Wisconsin gain 23,321 jobs as Gov. Walker says yet lose a whopping 30,100 jobs as Mr. Ed (gleefully, btw) on MSNBC quotes from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and uses this number to paint Gov. Walker a liar on national cable T.V. ?




Musicmystery -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 6:46:02 PM)

So far you've got an unattributed number according to Walker vs. the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

If that's the entire question and all the evidence, easy question.

If there's more to this, do tell.




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 6:56:26 PM)

I guess that explains the 6.7 % unemployment rate in Wisconsin. We keep losing all of those jobs. Mr. Ed must have forgotten to ask Barrett abiut the unemployment rate in the city he has been mayor for 8 years.




Real0ne -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 7:01:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I guess that explains the 6.7 % unemployment rate in Wisconsin. We keep losing all of those jobs. Mr. Ed must have forgotten to ask Barrett abiut the unemployment rate in the city he has been mayor for 8 years.



Milwaukee?

Like florida and ohio, they had more votes than eligible voters in the county.

~Honest Abe




Musicmystery -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 7:05:46 PM)

Well I don't know, so was asking. But the state's numbers don't support Walker's position either.


New State Report: Wisconsin Lost 5,900 Jobs in April, But Unemployment Rate Drops

A day after Gov. Scott Walker called recent jobs numbers inaccurate and sped up the release of federal statistics, the state Department of Workforce Development reported the state lost private sector jobs for the second consecutive month.

By Heather Asiyanbi and Adam W. McCoy

Employment has become central to the decisive recall battle for the state's top office, and Gov. Scott Walker experienced yet another setback Thursday as state labor officials reported the state lost 5,900 jobs in April.

The new monthly data, which the state Department of Workforce Development stresses is preliminary and subject to revision, shows the state lost 6,200 private sector jobs, but added 300 government jobs, netting out at a loss of 5,900 non-farm jobs. The data was gathered through a survey of 3.5 to 5 percent of Wisconsin employers. Since December 2010, the month before Walker took office, the state has added a total of 400 jobs.

It's the second consecutive month of private sector job losses in the state.

The state's unemployment rate, however, dipped slightly from 6.8 percent in March to 6.7 percent in April. The national average in April is 8.1 percent.

Just Wednesday, Walker sped up the release of federal numbers he claims paint a more accurate picture of how the state’s economy is progressing — 23,321 new public and private sector jobs in his first year in office. The numbers are due to be vetted then released by the U.S. Bureau of Labor after the June 5 election.

State Sen. Van Wanggaard (R-Racine) said the new numbers are proof that Walker's budget reforms are working.

“This actual employee data shows that Wisconsin is moving in the right direction,” Wanggaard said in a written release. “We’ve seen the anecdotal evidence in Racine over the last year, with job growth at Ruud Lighting, DeltaHawk, and most recently Jensen Metal Products. Now, the corrected employment data matches what we’ve seen throughout the state and Racine County from job creators."

Not surprising that John Lehman, Wanggaard's challenger in the June 5 recall election, says the numbers reflect a lackluster economic recovery.

"I think Gov. Walker jumped the gun and released numbers that were unverified and the reports today tell a much different story," he said. "Walker and Wanggaard can slice it any way they want, but the fact is you can only use 'lackluster' to describe the news."

As for the difference between what Walker is saying and what was released today, Wanggaard says the data adds up.

"The actual data is based on required tax reports to the state by 96% of state employers while the preliminary numbers are based on a survey of 3.5% of employers," he added. "The actual jobs reported also matches other measurements, including the decreasing unemployment rate, lower initial unemployment claims, improved tax collections and the thousands of people who are reporting being employed."

Lehman disagrees, saying politicians are closing their eyes to evidence that suggests the long-term unemployed have stopped filing claims either because their benefit period has run out or they're just too discouraged. He also said that tax breaks touted to help businesses hire more people aren't working.

"I wish politicians would just admit that they're not job creators and the tax breaks that were supposed to put people back to work just aren't working," he said. "Look at the numbers in Racine, where the unemployment rate is abysmal. Just a few weeks ago Wisconsin rated lowest of all the states in job creation. I think the new numbers reflect more of the same."

In a statement, Department of Workforce Development Secretary Reggie Newson said the data "is in line with other indicators that show continued economic growth in the state."

The recall effort against Walker was largely sparked over the passage of the contentious budget bill, which curtailed collective bargaining rights for most public workers, but now the main event’s central issue has shifted to jobs.

http://mountpleasant.patch.com/articles/new-state-report-wisconsin-lost-5900-jobs-in-april-but-unemployment-rate-drops-bbf98633




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 7:11:14 PM)

It seems like every hour on the hour new numbers keep popping up in the state.Each side is reporting numbers that are way out of wack. This recall had nothing to do with jobs anyway. It was all about collective bargaining, something Barrett never seems to mention.




kalikshama -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 7:16:21 PM)

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How did Wisconsin gain 23,321 jobs as Gov. Walker says yet lose a whopping 30,100 jobs as Mr. Ed (gleefully, btw) on MSNBC quotes from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics and uses this number to paint Gov. Walker a liar on national cable T.V. ?


Here's more sets of numbers. I'm guessing there was not an apple to apple comparison of types of jobs - private, public, farm.

This article just discusses 2011 stats while Walker's numbers in the OP were from 2010 & 11.

Digging into the claims in new Walker ad

Published on Friday, March 9th, 2012

...By comparison, in 2011, Walker’s first year, 3,200 overall jobs were added (+ 0.1 percent).

That’s all according to US Bureau of Labor Statistics figures at the time Walker released his ad. Revised employment figures for 2010 and 2011 came out on March 8, after the ad was up.

They change a lot of the relevant math. They show Wisconsin actually lost 21,000 public and private jobs in Walker’s first year.

For the comparison in his ad, Walker uses figures that include government jobs as well as private-sector employment. By contrast, for his promise to create 250,000 jobs in four years, Walker uses only private sector tallies.

Looking at private sector only, and the figures available when Walker did his ad, Wisconsin added 13,500 jobs in Walker’s first year, with gains the first six months and losses the last six.

But the revised figures show a different trend: the loss of 9,700 private sector jobs in 2011.

Read more: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2012/mar/09/digging-claims-new-walker-ad/




Arturas -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 7:40:30 PM)

In researching this, Gov. Walker is using not numbers based on tax reporting by employers but actual job counts from employers which avoids two lags. One, the lag in tax reporting and two, the lag in reporting this data by the Bureau. This data would have normally been released in June, too late to help deflect the recall effort that might use out-of-date employment data, so Walker decided accurate and up-to-date figures will be needed here. (I would think) this appears to be something MSNBC should be and probably was aware of and might explain why Mayor Barrett side stepped Mr. Ed's attempt to have him call Gov. Walker a liar, since he actually is not.

link to the story in a Milwaukee newspaper online article. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/walker-speeds-release-of-positive-jobs-data-775edrh-151655365.html

One could safely assume Milwaukee's Mayor Barrett reads this own town's paper and knew Mr. Ed is pushing old and out-of-date data as fact.




MasterG2kTR -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 8:11:03 PM)

How many of the recently tallied jobs include the seasonal hires for college and high school students? Without doing any checking on the stats I'm willing to bet that will account for a significant portion of the claims Walker is making. And yes he is falling far short of his promise for 250,000 jobs.




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/17/2012 8:23:11 PM)

Walker will keep his job because he kept other promises. We now have a conceal carry law. A 'castle doctrine' law is now in place. Voter ID is being worked on. A 3.3 billion dollar deficiet is now gone. These are the real issues that Wisconsin voters are focused on. The jobs are improving as we move forward..




Arturas -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 12:43:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Walker will keep his job because he kept other promises. We now have a conceal carry law. A 'castle doctrine' law is now in place. Voter ID is being worked on. A 3.3 billion dollar deficiet is now gone. These are the real issues that Wisconsin voters are focused on. The jobs are improving as we move forward..


this.




mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 6:34:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Walker will keep his job because he kept other promises. We now have a conceal carry law. A 'castle doctrine' law is now in place. Voter ID is being worked on. A 3.3 billion dollar deficiet is now gone. These are the real issues that Wisconsin voters are focused on. The jobs are improving as we move forward..


Last time you said that you were untutored, this time its a lie.  As always, your constant repeating of outright lies does not make it true.
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2012/02/09/projected-wisconsin-budget-deficit.html




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 6:42:31 AM)

That article is 4 months old. They now project a surplus of 154 million at the end of the budget cycle in 2013. Quite a turn around.




mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 6:49:26 AM)

So, there is a current deficit.  Thanks for playing.




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 6:54:16 AM)

Until the end of June of 2012. The good news on the fiscal state in Wisconsin continues. Stay tuned.




mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 6:59:51 AM)

Yeah, rassmussen projected +7 on Romney, and the 'projected' surplus remains to be seen, you guys selling alotta cheese and toiletswill beers outta there? 

Cuz you ain't got nothin else. 




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 7:01:39 AM)

I'll be looking to hear from you on June 6th.




mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 7:08:36 AM)

Well, my bets is June will be more about the Greece thing than the Walker thing.




servantforuse -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 7:14:35 AM)

I agree. That is why Scott Walker was elected in the first place. We needed to stop the out of control spending, something Greece and other states here don't seem to understand. We get it here.




mnottertail -> RE: Wisconsin loses 30,100 private sector jobs in a year just as GOP Governor is under a recall effort! (5/18/2012 7:15:57 AM)

How much are all the recalls costing cheeseheads, in total?




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