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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 1:22:31 PM   
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I'm proud of being part of it anyway, all I've heard is how women have had it bad but all I've seen is men getting it, there's plenty of threads about feminism I see this as just as noble a cause, if not more so, misandry is widespread I wouldn't have even noticed it myself until recently

Actually, WHINING is widespread--by feminists, and by you.


Misandry is common, built into our society, it is more or less dangerous to a man's likelihood of dating or even getting accepted into a relationship if he notes all the disparity as indicated by the courts, television shows and the like.

It's not whining at all....it is a fact.

You'd have to be dead not to know that it's also a fact that women have issues of bias towards them.

One does not replace or negate the other.

The difference regards men is, we not only know we won't get heard on these issues if we bring them up, we realize the fallaciousness (it's a brand new word...I've deemed it) of doing so. So we don't.

How is it fair that it's a reporters right (as a woman) to go into a men's locker room at a football game and interview them in the showers, but if a man did it he'd be thrown in jail?

How is it even remotely legal to have a women's only exercise place, but a men's only is outlawed?

College for blacks only, women only. For men only? You have to be kidding.

Do men care?

I can't think of a one that does frankly, myself included, because it interferes with the task at hand.

But these examples are real.

And hardly examples of whining.

bravo, very well said

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 1:25:26 PM   
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I'm proud of being part of it anyway, all I've heard is how women have had it bad but all I've seen is men getting it, there's plenty of threads about feminism I see this as just as noble a cause, if not more so, misandry is widespread I wouldn't have even noticed it myself until recently

Actually, WHINING is widespread--by feminists, and by you.


Misandry is common, built into our society, it is more or less dangerous to a man's likelihood of dating or even getting accepted into a relationship if he notes all the disparity as indicated by the courts, television shows and the like.

It's not whining at all....it is a fact.

You'd have to be dead not to know that it's also a fact that women have issues of bias towards them.

One does not replace or negate the other.

The difference regards men is, we not only know we won't get heard on these issues if we bring them up, we realize the fallaciousness (it's a brand new word...I've deemed it) of doing so. So we don't.

How is it fair that it's a reporters right (as a woman) to go into a men's locker room at a football game and interview them in the showers, but if a man did it he'd be thrown in jail?

How is it even remotely legal to have a women's only exercise place, but a men's only is outlawed?

College for blacks only, women only. For men only? You have to be kidding.

Do men care?

I can't think of a one that does frankly, myself included, because it interferes with the task at hand.

But these examples are real.

And hardly examples of whining.


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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 1:47:46 PM   
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Now we've blown our cover !! Quick, toss me a towel.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 1:53:05 PM   
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I know but very few men do.. 99% of men dont.. and of the few men that do, its fewer and much farther apart.. and i personally have had multiples 2-3 minutes apart for over two hours.. I know other women here have posted of similar.. Sooooo... I would never give mine up for an easier time or to earn 25% more, etc..


99%? Really? Are there any studies that back that up? Not that I really care but I am usually dubious whenever I see lopsided statistics.

my own personal research..

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 2:22:11 PM   
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He didn't marry her, yes he was thinking with his dick...However, that justifies the court fucking him and that girl!?!?!?!?! He wants to be a good dad and keep that wench away from the girl. At least he owned up to his sperm!!! Mom just says, "I don't even want to fight for my daughter"

of course not but if you are going to knock up a girl, make sure its the right girl.. I think the laws vary widely state to state also so if you are thinking about getting married or having kids with someone, then look into the laws if the worst case scenario happens first ahead of time.. and hire a dam good lawyer.. and too, there is a reason why rich guys (& some rich girls) want prenups.. imo its not just for rich people, its something every couple should do, including those living together with no intention of getting married.. if more average joes sat down with their fiances to talk about a prenup/agreement (for money, assets & kids), then maybe they would see a different side and do a rethink on it.. I know i wont be getting married again, but i will have an agreement with any guy i want to live with.. so we both know how its gonna be while living together and what will happen if the relationship ends.. jmo

i do feel for kids in these situations, good parents, both the mom and dad, put kids first.. they dont use them as pawns and they dont consider them disposable..

I dont understand why, if she doesnt want to fight for her kid, if she doesnt want anything to do with her (if that is the case), why he cant get a document drawn up that the moms signs giving up her rights to the kid.. like when someone gives up a kid for adoption but agreeing to a certain amount of visitation rather than custody.. i know one guy that got full custody of his 2 kids cuz there were domestic disturbances with his ex's boyfriend.. with a copy of those disturbances, the judge gave him full custody and he promptly moved him and the kids to CA.. The mother decided to ditch the abusive boyfriend and she moved to CA also and the dad has allowed visitation with the girls.. he wont ever give her custody of them tho..

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 2:33:26 PM   
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I dont understand why, if she doesnt want to fight for her kid, if she doesnt want anything to do with her (if that is the case), why he cant get a document drawn up that the moms signs giving up her rights to the kid.. like when someone gives up a kid for adoption but agreeing to a certain amount of visitation rather than custody.. i know one guy that got full custody of his 2 kids cuz there were domestic disturbances with his ex's boyfriend.. with a copy of those disturbances, the judge gave him full custody and he promptly moved him and the kids to CA.. The mother decided to ditch the abusive boyfriend and she moved to CA also and the dad has allowed visitation with the girls.. he wont ever give her custody of them tho..



Simple, she is the poster-child for why the laws suck---She won't sign something like that (he tried), but she won't show up to court and fight (cause doesn't really care). So he has her 100% of the time, because mom just doesn't care (or is in jail), but the courts won't give him 100% custodial rights, because they are worried that one day mom might care---until then he should have 100%, then she can go to court and see what she can manage after be absent

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 2:53:24 PM   
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Simple, she is the poster-child for why the laws suck---She won't sign something like that (he tried), but she won't show up to court and fight (cause doesn't really care). So he has her 100% of the time, because mom just doesn't care (or is in jail), but the courts won't give him 100% custodial rights, because they are worried that one day mom might care---until then he should have 100%, then she can go to court and see what she can manage after be absent



umm....i gotta call bs on this.
i clerked for family court when i was in college.

if dad files an OSC and mom won't show up to court, then the judge will rule in his favor. the judge might not do it the first time outright, but if she's been served a couple times and is a no-show with proof of service, the judge isn't going to rule any other way but in his favor. if the judge DOESN'T, that means there is something wrong with dad that judge is concerned about...in which case there would be parenting classes assigned, some home visitations with custody evaluators, etc.

the judge i clerked for used to say, "Mother Teresa didn't marry Hitler." and it is the truth when it comes to family court. people who were reasonable would come up with a plan they could live with and they moved on. but people who were angry and vindictive would always come in with unreasonable demands, trying to punish each other while the children suffered.

people want the court to step in and wave a magic wand to fix the mess they created.
the court will do as best as it can to come up with reasonable solutions FOR THE CHILDREN.




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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 3:01:16 PM   
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Then you clerked for a good judge!

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"Mother Teresa didn't marry Hitler."




Great quote by the judge btw, but not always the case, some judges feel that's true.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:02:41 PM   
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All things being equal, a woman will be chosen as the custodial parent well over 85% of the time.


Source please.

While I see in the State of Maryland, for example, that 90% of the custodial parents are womenthat says nothing about personal choice vs court awarded.

Also, Children in single-parent families are more than twice as likely to live in poverty, in comparison to all other Maryland children.

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Dad was required to pay a minimum of $700.00 a month (and no I don't know how or why that was determined to be the amount, but I think in my state there's some kind of minimum or "floor"). Dad's take home after taxes was about $1,450.00 a month.

So, Dad had $750.00 a month left over to pay rent, buy clothes, gas, car insurance and the like.

Mom on the other hand had $4,800.00 take home plus the $700.00 ($5,500.00 or nearly 8 times dad's take home).


Your scenario would not have happened in Maryland:

The amount of money each parent is responsible for is based on the percentage of the total income they earn. If the custodial parent earns 40 percent of the total income, the custodial parent is responsible for assuming 40 percent of cost of raising the child.

I see in your current state of Washington, child support is based on the COMBINED Monthly Net Income, which will give crazy results like in your friend's case. Apparently, it's so much more common for the major bread winner to be the non-custodial parent that the legislature did not consider the ramifications of the reverse.

This appears to be set up to prevent the normal scenario of custodial mother and children's standard of living dropping significantly.

I agree that the law should be changed to take situations like your friend's into account.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:03:08 PM   
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Simple, she is the poster-child for why the laws suck---She won't sign something like that (he tried), but she won't show up to court and fight (cause doesn't really care). So he has her 100% of the time, because mom just doesn't care (or is in jail), but the courts won't give him 100% custodial rights, because they are worried that one day mom might care---until then he should have 100%, then she can go to court and see what she can manage after be absent



umm....i gotta call bs on this.
i clerked for family court when i was in college.

if dad files an OSC and mom won't show up to court, then the judge will rule in his favor. the judge might not do it the first time outright, but if she's been served a couple times and is a no-show with proof of service, the judge isn't going to rule any other way but in his favor. if the judge DOESN'T, that means there is something wrong with dad that judge is concerned about...in which case there would be parenting classes assigned, some home visitations with custody evaluators, etc.

the judge i clerked for used to say, "Mother Teresa didn't marry Hitler." and it is the truth when it comes to family court. people who were reasonable would come up with a plan they could live with and they moved on. but people who were angry and vindictive would always come in with unreasonable demands, trying to punish each other while the children suffered.

people want the court to step in and wave a magic wand to fix the mess they created.
the court will do as best as it can to come up with reasonable solutions FOR THE CHILDREN.


Yeah, but she may have fucked him on her way through Gdansk.

(There's nothing that says she didn't!)

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:27:18 PM   
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Case 1: Friend 29 with 3yo daughter, been raising her her whole life.. why? stripper momma (who did meth during her pregnancy by the way)

Somehow I doubt she became an addict AFTER he had unprotected sex with her

Don't want to share custody with a drug addict stripper? Don't fuck her.

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a good dad is better than a bad mom

I'm with you here.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:33:36 PM   
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People with an anti-female agenda so often hone in on the narrow slice of comparative advantage that women derive from the biological function of child-bearing. It makes about as much logical sense as if I were to complain about being underprivileged in comparison to the impoverished residents of Port-de-Paix, Haiti, because they get to live with a sweet ocean view while I'm stuck looking at downtown Newark every day.

Motherhood is the one thing men can't take over. Some of them just can't stand it.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:50:14 PM   
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There are, it is true, some things women get that men don't


... like multiple orgasms???

Men by far get the better easier deal in life but I would not trade being a girl for that, not in a million years.. even tho society is unfair to women in the western world, I like being a girl too much to ever want to be a man..


Western world only? Did you ever hear about islamitic countries?


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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 5:56:05 PM   
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... like multiple orgasms???


Not true. Men can have multiple orgasms. Believe me, I know.


Here idem ditto. I found this muscle in my scrotum about 25 years ago. If I put pressure on this muscle I can have multiple orgasms too. When I am really fit up to 7 in about 30 minutes.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 6:32:25 PM   
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http://mensrightsmovement.net/page1caseofreasoning.html


Also here's a great website with good information which I learned a lot from





All right, so I actually took the time to read through this site that you claim is so great. Why exactly do you think it's so great when it is full of misinformation. If this is what you are basing your post on, then I see why you posted, but the more fundamental question is why do you actually believe the things written here? Either the item is misinformation, or the item is completely irrelevant. Next, you will be telling me you are Holocaust denier, too, based on some skinhead site you stumbled upon.

I have not reproduced all, but I simply had to copy a number of them here for everyone's benefit.

OP, dude, I just don't know where to begin with this list. If you sincerely believe what is below, you might want to speak to a therapist or seek some sort of counseling. Unlike some of the other posters here, I'm not joking in the least. I'm dead serious. Please look after yourself.


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1) Media Bias is a constant presence in our lives. Every facet of Journalism targets against men.

6)Most people accept the idea of 'woman's intuition'.

7)Men are severely insulted throughout the media, on a routine basis. But if women ever faced even the slightest criticism, there would be public outrage.

8)Even though people are kind toward women, they still insist she's negatively stereotyped. These conflicting ideas make little sense. However, it indicates your extreme devotion for her.

9) It is socially unacceptable for a man to become actively involved for his ideals and causes. Basically, this would be considered unusual behavior.

12)Female journalists actually taunt men because her life-span is said-to-be longer than that of a man. And quite frankly, measures should be taken to minimalize this gap.

13)People think it's okay to make fun of the male anatomy. Most dirty jokes are demeaning to men.

15) Men are constantly overshadowed by Artistic Imagery, Logos, Slogans, & Bold-Print which is designed to demoralize his esteem.

17)Everyone tends to see things from the woman's perspective. Basically, she's always considered to be correct.

20)Women are taught to enjoy their employment. She's encouraged to become an over-achiever. But, in any case, it makes everyday life easier for her.

25) Dogma which says that girls grow up much faster than boys. Not only is this a sexist remark, but ironically, it's also immature and childish on her part.

27) Regardless of the studies performed, they always reach results which are favorable to the woman. Whether claiming that she's mistreated by society, or that women possess special abilities. In any case, all socio & scientific research works distinctly to her advantage.

45) Society always gives special interest toward girls, even in the most unlikely circumstances. Everything has been tarnished by the presence-of-Extremism. For example: Film review, consumer products, Vacation & Travel, The Olympic events, Wimbledon Tennis Tournament, Nature & Wildlife Documentaries, etc. Today's Journalists tend to be obsessive when focusing upon women. And this dogma enters the most unusual places. ****Therefore, Men are never safe from this onslaught. He could be watching a television program regarding any possible subject, and suddenly be faced against this type of special-interest.

48) Married women often go dining on Friday evenings. Yet, the husbands are not invited.

49) Women also have health-spas, retreats & getaways, organizations, and what-have-you.

50) Girls are encouraged to establish friendships amongst one another. No such campaigns exist for boys.

55) Boys are raised into an overall unhealthy environment. There needn't be any noticeable insults or issues to mention. Virtually all forms of inequality against men are Intangible. Therefore, it's nearly impossible to discuss these matters. Here's just one idea: Males are overshadowed by Visual Imagery & Artwork. ....As well as Anthems, Themes, Girl Power, special interest and anything else you can name.

56) Men are taught to respect women, even though he already treats her with kindness and gentility.

57)There are powerful words which can always be used at her disposal. When Males debate with females, she's given the opportunity to call him [sexist], [chauvinistic], or what-have-you. Please don't underestimate the importance of these advantages. This dogma proves to be a valuable weapon for arguments sake.

60) On various websites, such as Friendster, Pinoy People, and Bebo: it's easy to locate several dozen Women's Groups, yet not One single Men's group. This holds true throughout the internet. Women's Forums often consist of several thousand members. …Whereas, Men's forums only have a few members.

66) We all live in a technographic world of surrealism. And the media's goal is to distort our basic understanding of life. MOST people place more trust in this medium than anything else. So, if your personal observations reach one distinct conclusion, while the media teaches you otherwise, people will tend to accept their opinions over your own.

67) A woman could make self-contradicting remarks. Yet, most observers would fail to notice. But, in any case, she would be allowed leniency under any circumstance.

70) Female relatives are considered more vital to the family unit. It's not specific to maternal needs, or parenthood. This idea also pertains to sisters, aunts, and what-have-you. They're considered to be the force which drives our society. This belief is just plain Wrong and Unfair. .....In short: she's revered as [the backbone] of humanity.

76) In a typical relationship, Women frankly share personal details about her partner, amongst themselves. Thus, placing the boyfriends into a vulnerable position.

77) Testicular abuse is another issue. Hollywood movies depict this type of sexual pain. And the public sees great humor. Ironically, a person would feel more pain if they were stricken in the neck or teeth. But, the groin happens to be a sexual organ. Thus explaining why Hollywood has chosen this specific body part to be the subject of ridicule.

84) Our mental well-being is deeply affected by her repetitive messages. Every young male becomes discouraged by the Sheer Monotony. (84b) While young girls are often hypnotized by Mediacratic Propaganda.

86) Regardless of the situation, women have always got ---The Media, ---Activists, ---Friends, & ---Society, showing their support. And there's an element of **inspiration, **encouragement, and **pure momentum to back her every feeling. In other words, she has the total advantage over everything !!!

90) Each & every woman can revere herself as physically attractive. During the course of a lifetime, we'll overhear several women who proclaim themselves to be [Extremely Beautiful]. However, if a man spoke positively regarding his physical appearance, he would be judged as being totally conceited.

93) The Scientific community has performed numerous studies for trivial reasons. Typically concluding that women have [superior abilities]. It's become a redundant ongoing practice. Not surprisingly, Scientific research has become part of a feminized conspiracy. Many studies are just plain irrelevant. And, it leaves their motives into question.

100 Vs. 1) People tend to gang up against the man. Boys are typically vulnerable, because girls sometimes use their friends to jointly turn against him.

100b) This is not necessarily perpetrated solely by women. Clearly, most men take sides against each other. (Women are Not the main culprits of this behavior. Perhaps, Men are likely to mistreat members within his own gender.)

101b) basically, society as a whole is biased against men. Thousands of male journalists, as well as female, participate in these female-centric campaigns.

102) Women in society enjoy a wide variety of clothing and hair styles.

103)Also, in the dating arena, Women are also very selective when choosing a partner.

104)During our youth, there are many degrading jokes which specifically targeted against boys. He's often called [hairy palms], and what-have-you. These [spanking the monkey] jokes have become somewhat obsolete nowadays, but it's still quite humiliating, even today.

105) In the field of education, it's easier for a woman to endure a rigid schedule. For example: ---She could be in her mid-30's. ---Working 2 part-time jobs, ---while attending night school. ---And, Her overall daily schedule requires at least 14 hours, plus saturday's. But she's very content with these extreme conditions. It's just not fair. Regardless of the obstacles, society teaches her to embrace it, ecstatically.

107) Women are often revered as Goddesses & Divas. Her status in society is clearly fantastic. And, society is expected to express these positive ideas toward her. Through it all, her position is most favorable. She is clearly looked upon with the highest regard.

108) In a typical relationship, female partner becomes the significant half. This represents the common expectation. And, her wants & needs become the primary focus.

109) (and beyond)....There are infinite examples.....


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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 6:46:40 PM   
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Wow, that's more hateful and nonsensical than the worst Nazi propaganda.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 6:50:47 PM   
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There are, it is true, some things women get that men don't


... like multiple orgasms???

Men by far get the better easier deal in life but I would not trade being a girl for that, not in a million years.. even tho society is unfair to women in the western world, I like being a girl too much to ever want to be a man..


Western world only? Did you ever hear about islamitic countries?

thats not the topic.. if you want to discuss it you should start your own thread on that..

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 7:04:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Master2811

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
There are, it is true, some things women get that men don't


... like multiple orgasms???

Men by far get the better easier deal in life but I would not trade being a girl for that, not in a million years.. even tho society is unfair to women in the western world, I like being a girl too much to ever want to be a man..


Western world only? Did you ever hear about islamitic countries?

thats not the topic.. if you want to discuss it you should start your own thread on that..


Of course that is on topic. You claim that women are treated unfair in the western world. That is a bias against the western world. There is much more than the western world and compared to that "much more" women are treated reasonably fair in the western world. That is why women from outside the western world would love to live in the western world.

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 7:11:53 PM   
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I guess with that logic,American slaves did much better than slaves in the middle east and northern Africa........



Hooray for American slavery!

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RE: Any men's rights activist on here? - 5/18/2012 7:11:58 PM   
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Of course that is on topic. You claim that women are treated unfair in the western world. That is a bias against the western world. There is much more than the western world and compared to that "much more" women are treated reasonably fair in the western world. That is why women from outside the western world would love to live in the western world.

the op was talking about the US (which is considered to be in the western world).. he was not talking about Islamic countries, African countries, China, etc.. so yes, it is off topic..

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