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mistoferin -> Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 9:50:01 AM)

There are sevreal threads on the boards currently...and there have been several in the past, that seem to amount to little more than witch hunts. These posts are started under the guise of "What do you all think about this topic/scenario?" but once you get a little further into them they are really about a specific person(usually not too difficult to figure out their identity either) and how the OP disagrees with the way that person is living their life. It amazes me that these posts can turn into pages and pages of battle and that people who are not involved or have all of the facts will make judgements....not on the topic itself....but on the individuals being discussed. I don't believe it is wrong to have or state an opinion on a topic or idea...I don't believe that it is wrong to disagree with, make statements to or judgements about another poster's statement....but these threads really seem to be started less to evoke thought provoking discussion or reflection and more to discredit or hurt another person. Some of them start off with one topic and then go on to include things like "yeah...and you know what else? this person also does or thinks _____". I see posts like these as an indicator of character(s)......but not necessarily the character of the person the thread is designed to discuss.

My question is, why do we get so caught up in this type of thing?

Also, I really have no desire to discuss any particular thread or individual here....the topic is witch hunts.....not specific ones.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 9:53:26 AM)

It's a very high school thing to do really. 

Getting intellectual discussion going is one thing, making a topic with the underlying knowledge that it's going to just stir up attention and drama is pretty immature.




mnottertail -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 9:55:00 AM)

Thats why I don't understand how people sleep at night without drugs and alchohol.

All of us (myself included (yep, I made the a list))  spend way way too much time hepping others to our wisdom when we don't know the person posting, the situation, the validity, or the outcome.

But it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fuckin' hilarious sometimes, you just gotta love it.

Oh, yeah. And it is SOOOOOOOOOOO real, not a game.

Sincerely,
Ron




OedipusRexIt -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:02:03 AM)

I agree with LA that it's very high school. 

Still, I also agree with the OP that it's pervasive.  Perhaps it's a form of passive-aggressive behavior, or else it's just people trying to skate around the rules against slamming members by name.




Reflectivesoul -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:05:09 AM)

People get caught up in witch hunts because they see something that resembles things in their past and use that clouded judgement to attack another person even when they have no idea as to what is truly going on.
 
As I stated in another thread I dont see a problem with asking questions about this lifestyle or about people in it, what I personally have a problem with is when it is questions that are emotionally biased and all the facts arent presented with the situation or questions.




givemyall -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:06:00 AM)

Think it's fair to say that people like a good bonfire, not forgetting the fireworks lol.

I agree with what you are saying though, my profile was dragged through the mud a few weeks ago for some reason or other and its not nice knowing that people are being nasty about you...... but I lived to tell the tale! [;)]




mistoferin -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:09:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul
what I personally have a problem with is when it is questions that are emotionally biased and all the facts arent presented with the situation or questions.


Yup. But that is what exactly what makes a witch hunt take off....presenting a skewed picture that plays to emotion and omitting or twisting critical or relevant information.




DesertRat -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:16:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt
Perhaps it's a form of passive-aggressive behavior, or else it's just people trying to skate around the rules against slamming members by name.


I don't see it as passive aggressive; more like the latter. I shamed myself by doing it myself when I was alot newer to things. I'd get pissed at something someone did and, since I couldn't call them out by name, I'd start some high-minded post about standards of behavior. Or...contribute something semi-toxic to someone else's thread. I am not proud of it, but I am grateful to my friends who bitchslapped me back to reality (or a semblance thereof) in the threads and in private messages.

Bob




KatyLied -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:18:12 AM)

Sometimes people start threads that are nothing more than baiting others and/or an ache to be noticed and responded to.  It's difficult to ignore those threads when people are calling you out in "code."




DesertRat -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:22:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied
Sometimes people start threads that are nothing more than baiting others and/or an ache to be noticed and responded to.  It's difficult to ignore those threads when people are calling you out in "code."


I've been guilty of that...and then had it done to me. No good comes of that kinda shite.

Bob




KnightofMists -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:25:28 AM)

let the person without sin cast the first stone

or....

cast your stone for no one is without sin.


Two approaches... the first is a rather utophian view.  I just wonder how many of us have never engaged in a witch hunt in one capacity or another.  I wonder how many have not expressed an opinion that is emotionally baised at one time or another.  It appears to be a grand goal that we speak of an issue and without our emotional bais or judgements.  However, I see a contridiction in casting stones and those that cast stones if one wishes to strive for this admirable but utophian view.

I am not prefect.  I am an emotional being.  I have my opinions and judgements.  I cast stones, but I also send flowers.




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:26:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There are sevreal threads on the boards currently...and there have been several in the past, that seem to amount to little more than witch hunts. These posts are started under the guise of "What do you all think about this topic/scenario?" but once you get a little further into them they are really about a specific person(usually not too difficult to figure out their identity either) and how the OP disagrees with the way that person is living their life. It amazes me that these posts can turn into pages and pages of battle and that people who are not involved or have all of the facts will make judgements....not on the topic itself....but on the individuals being discussed. I don't believe it is wrong to have or state an opinion on a topic or idea...I don't believe that it is wrong to disagree with, make statements to or judgements about another poster's statement....but these threads really seem to be started less to evoke thought provoking discussion or reflection and more to discredit or hurt another person. Some of them start off with one topic and then go on to include things like "yeah...and you know what else? this person also does or thinks _____". I see posts like these as an indicator of character(s)......but not necessarily the character of the person the thread is designed to discuss.

My question is, why do we get so caught up in this type of thing?

Also, I really have no desire to discuss any particular thread or individual here....the topic is witch hunts.....not specific ones.



I have to agree with you.
And admit that I Myself have fallen into the trap of putting in My 2cents.
While I only or try to anyway)address the OP and give what experience I have had,if any.
Otherwise its what I would do if in that situation,which of course if just My own opinion.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:39:39 AM)

erin
Sometimes venting is a healthy purge of emotions. Creating "what if" scenarios skewered to generate agreement with the position you have can be likened to going to your best friend, telling your story, and having them give you a hug and call the person who hurt you an asshole. CM forum isn't the most ideal place for this because along with your 'best friend' you're likely to get responses taking the opposite position. If the antagonist lurks here it also provides some measure of 'revenge'; albeit cyber revenge. Of course the best revenge is living a good life.

The bigger problem comes from worrying about what someone says about you on-line, or to let it effect you in any way other than to generate a chuckle and move on. If someone can say something to you here that ruins your day, or even ruins your minute; it's a good indication that you need to step away from the computer screen.




Vendaval -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:40:29 AM)

 
You hit the nail on the head mistoferin.  Those kind of posts
show far more about the character of the person(s) doing the
attacking than the intended target.  The boards are NOT the
place to air personal grievances about individual person(s).
That should be done in private.
 
Blessed Be,
 
Vendaval
 

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

I see posts like these as an indicator of character(s)......but not necessarily the character of the person the thread is designed to discuss.

My question is, why do we get so caught up in this type of thing?

Also, I really have no desire to discuss any particular thread or individual here....the topic is witch hunts.....not specific ones.




missturbation -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:42:15 AM)

Human nature gets us caught up in these things. Rightly or wrongly we all think we can make life better by judging others and giving them what we think is constructive criticism when most of the time it ends up being a nasty bitch fest.
There is nothing wrong with having an opinion on something - in fact i'd say its essential. What is wrong is being unable to accept peoples opinions that vary from ur own.
The problem with forums like these is quite often that their are too many opinions.




amayos -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:42:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There are sevreal threads on the boards currently...and there have been several in the past, that seem to amount to little more than witch hunts. These posts are started under the guise of "What do you all think about this topic/scenario?" but once you get a little further into them they are really about a specific person(usually not too difficult to figure out their identity either) and how the OP disagrees with the way that person is living their life. It amazes me that these posts can turn into pages and pages of battle and that people who are not involved or have all of the facts will make judgements....not on the topic itself....but on the individuals being discussed.

My question is, why do we get so caught up in this type of thing?




Hi Erin,

I think a lot of people get caught up in the above for a number of reasons, the largest being a propensity for drama, which seems to be quite an on-line phenomenon. Outside of the usual ego and cliquey cynicism that is alive and quite well in the BDSM community, one encounters that near trollish sentiment of "it's only the internetz, dude. Don't take it so seriously."

These attitudes (among others) tend to run contrary to nurturing an environment of intellectual discourse, giving license to the idea that one can spatter the boards with pointless diarrhea of the keyboard. Getting in a heated debate might be one thing, but launching into ad hominem extreme is quite another.




Proprietrix -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:45:05 AM)

(Fast reply)

Actually, I see it as quite simple.
The person who originally opens such a thread isn’t normally on an escapade to slam the name of someone else.
They are looking for validation of their own beliefs.

And unfortunately, going about it in a fashion that becomes detrimental to someone else.
It’s a lack of ability to express oneself in an honest fashion, in an appropriate time and place.

I personally hate and abhor XYZ practice. I find it immoral and it goes against everything I believe in. It stirs something negative inside me. I want to shout to the world "I HATE XYZ." and I want the world to validate my emotion.

Instead of taking that anger and focusing it in a productive fashion (perhaps I could lobby my local legislative body, perhaps I could pass on my value system to my offspring, perhaps I could start a support group for those I perceive as victims of XYZ)….

instead, I take that anger and selfishly look for validation Who else here hates XYZ? Let’s point out all the negative aspects of XYZ.. You know, as a matter of fact, I saw someone doing XYZ the other day. I speculate that XYZ causes all this horrible outcome. I’ll even frame my hatred as a positive thing. I’ll say I hate XYZ because it harms a certain individual, or group of individuals, or it oppresses us, takes away our civil liberties, or leaves people dead in the gutter. Now I’m showing you the face of the victim so that I can play on your emotions and you’ll agree with this horrible XYZ that the evil predator/perpetrator is causing. Now I’ve made more seats in my band wagon, because I presented the most negative view of XYZ imaginable.

And the troops who agree with me coming marching in to back me up.
I got exactly what I wanted, validation of my feeling.

It’s really very selfish and one-sided. It’s very similar to what either side in a court room would do. Exaggerate everything as much as possible. Inflate every detail to the most extreme that you can so that you can tug on the heart strings of the jury to get them to take that particular side of the argument.

Most of the time, it’s the plaintiff who starts it. They start making accusations against an anonymous defendant. And normally it’s the "plaintiff on behalf of the state". I rarely actually see someone come on here as "the victim" complaining.

Most of the time, there really is no victim to speak of. That’s precisely what makes it a witch hunt. People take it upon themselves to bring down a predator when in reality, there has been no harm done to anyone. They created a victim in their own mind. Because with no victim, there can be no predator, and no harm. With no victim, there can be no cause for the hatred in the first place. They have to create a victim in their mind and make it a believable victim for others to emotionally attach to. Once everyone has conceived the victim, the predator, and the harm, then they can all move forward to the whole point of the witch hunt…
validating one another’s hatred.

Those who aren’t buying into, can stand back and clearly see there is no victim, there is no predator, and there is no harm. They are the ones who can clearly see a witch hunt for what it truly is: the persecution of an innocent person who did no harm.




DreamMistress -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:49:05 AM)

<<Taking a Break from work>>

quote:


The bigger problem comes from worrying about what someone says about you on-line, or to let it effect you in any way other than to generate a chuckle and move on. If someone can say something to you here that ruins your day, or even ruins your minute; it's a good indication that you need to step away from the computer screen.

I agree with Merc and beth; I do think it comes down to the issue. You can read an article and it will make your day better or worse. What I see in the forums seem to be fiction and drama.  

quote:


I see posts like these as an indicator of character(s)......but not necessarily the character of the person the thread is designed to discuss.
My question is, why do we get so caught up in this type of thing?


People like drama, the same reason why people watch soap operas and get so involved, because their lives are not as 'exciting' as what they see. Online is an escape for most people, some happen to live online these days. The internet was originally started to be a tool, and now look, its just a place for people to 'live.'




OedipusRexIt -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:50:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesertRat

quote:

ORIGINAL: OedipusRexIt
Perhaps it's a form of passive-aggressive behavior, or else it's just people trying to skate around the rules against slamming members by name.


I don't see it as passive aggressive; more like the latter. I shamed myself by doing it myself when I was alot newer to things. I'd get pissed at something someone did and, since I couldn't call them out by name, I'd start some high-minded post about standards of behavior. Or...contribute something semi-toxic to someone else's thread. I am not proud of it, but I am grateful to my friends who bitchslapped me back to reality (or a semblance thereof) in the threads and in private messages.

Bob



Whatever you call it, there is that tendency in people to want to vent, often unfairly.

Reality?  I guess I'd call it perspective, but whatever.  I think it's a good thing when we get over it and move on.




CollaredProperty -> RE: Witch Hunts (6/6/2006 10:54:01 AM)

yes I noticed alot of this going on in the Gorean Rooms, and when I asked what ever happened to honor, respect and integrity I got slammed hard. so lesson learned don't go in the Gorean Rooms and don't respond to personal witch hunts. good topic.

slave susan




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