Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Sued for Texting a Driver


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Sued for Texting a Driver Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 9:09:31 AM   
MileHighM


Posts: 400
Joined: 10/8/2009
Status: offline
Engineering anecdote:

Now I am fuzzy on the details, so if anyone knows this one, please don't crucify me.

Some time ago, probably in the 70s or 80s, a german car company (I think BMW, so I will use BMW in the rest of the story) brought over a car that was selling really well in America (not necessarily an American made car). As they were looking it over trying to figure out a way to make BMWs more appealling to Americans, they came across a strange thing in the car, something that didn't make sense. This thing was a cup holder! The engineers were absolutely stunned by such a device. They couldn't wrap their heads around the idea that you would encourage someone to be doing anything in a car other than driving.

I like this story because it says a lot about american drivers. There is a reason why the German autobahns have areas were you can legally blitz past 150mph and in the US we are terrified by the idea. We Americans just don't taking driving very seriously; in fact, we take it for granted.

There is one person at fault here...the driver. Nothing should ever distract you from the most important task at hand: driving. What's next, suing a strip club b/c they put an attractive woman on a billboard and you decided to jack it right there? NO!

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 41
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 9:52:14 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
"That is a very safe alternative. Doesn't mean it should be forced onto us, though."
That,I`m afraid is not correct.
If it wasn`t for the law......we`d have imbeciles cooking breakfast and doing laundry while driving 65 mph.
The only thing keeping the most reckless among us from putting ALL our lives in danger are these laws.
If a knuckle head were putting only their own life in danger, that`d be one thing,maybe a good thing.....winnowing the chafe as it were.
Problem is these "freedom loving patriot" ass holes are putting every person`s life in danger with their lazy selfish conduct.
General reply....
Cars make high speed travel deceptively calm.But in fact your body just can`t take a high speed stop.Anything can send you sliding or off into the ditch in an eye blink.
Please watch this public advert to the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0LCmStIw9E


It absolutely is correct. You think we'd really have lots of people cooking breakfast and doing laundry while driving 65? Really? What would happen, say, if one of those people got in a wreck? Would those things not fall under a "distracted driving" law? Why, yes, yes they would. Cops aren't out looking for the people talking on their phones. They are out there looking for the people who can't control their vehicles well enough. If I can talk on the phone, eat a burger, and play Angry Birds while driving without losing control of my car (I only talk on the phone or eat in the car, and not at the same time) at all, what harm am I doing? If I'm not in control of my car, then I should be pulled over and ticketed. If I'm in control of the car, why should I be ticketed? Using that logic, everyone could be ticketed because they could speed.

I will continue to drive and talk on my phone if I want to. I will also continue to stop talking and concentrate on driving when I feel it's necessary for me to be able to maintain control of my vehicle. Yes, not everyone is responsible enough to do two things at once. Does that mean that no one is capable? Does that mean that everyone should be banned? No. No, it does not.

_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 42
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 10:00:13 AM   
MileHighM


Posts: 400
Joined: 10/8/2009
Status: offline
It should be illegal to do that crap, and thankfully it is in many states and areas.


quote:

Cops aren't out looking for the people talking on their phones. They are out there looking for the people who can't control their vehicles well enough.


Actually in Denver they have started and initiative to do exactly that! They put cops on overpasses with high power cameras/binoculars. They look at drivers in their car, if they are on the phone, texting, putting on make-up, eating, or shaving, they radio to a cop below to pull your ass over and give you a nasty ticket.

Even if you have control over your car, you are distracted. If something suddenly happens in traffic, you can't react in time and will cause an accident. I am far more in favor of this than speeding tickets. Speeders never piss me off in traffic, but some douche, who is weaving or driving slow cause they are on the phone, does piss me off and everyone else on the road

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 43
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 10:17:02 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MileHighM
Even if you have control over your car, you are distracted. If something suddenly happens in traffic, you can't react in time and will cause an accident. I am far more in favor of this than speeding tickets. Speeders never piss me off in traffic, but some douche, who is weaving or driving slow cause they are on the phone, does piss me off and everyone else on the road


So, if something happens in the road, and I can't control my car to not cause an accident, wouldn't I get a ticket for "Failure to Control?" Why, yes, yes I would. Not only are you deciding that ALL people should be prevented from doing something because some people can't handle it, you are also complaining about the person who may be doing the responsible thing by slowing down while talking on the phone to give him/her that extra bit of time to react if something were to happen.

_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to MileHighM)
Profile   Post #: 44
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 10:32:47 AM   
MileHighM


Posts: 400
Joined: 10/8/2009
Status: offline
YOU ARE DRIVING A 3500LB MASS OF STEEL AT 65MPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if you are GOD. Keep you attention on the fucking road. PERIOD. Its not just the potential for an accident, its also the possibility you kill someone, like a motorcyclist. Losts of people have driven drunk, and not got in an accident, and actually might not be bad drivers. NO FUCKING EXCUSE! you just DON'T do it!!!!

Sure I could share a needle with an AIDs patient and not get AIDs----Doesn't mean its a good idea!

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 45
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 11:11:24 AM   
LaTigresse


Posts: 26123
Joined: 1/15/2006
Status: offline
I remember seeing a study that was done, talking on the phone while driving was equal to being mildly intoxicated.

_____________________________

My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

(in reply to MileHighM)
Profile   Post #: 46
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 12:03:43 PM   
Iamsemisweet


Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline
If it was only you who might be affected, I would agree with you.  Hell, if people are stupid enough to talk or text while driving, get them out of the gene pool, I say.  Starting with you.  Unfortunately, it is not that simple, which is why I agree with laws prohibiting the use of phones while driving.  The problem is, when someone is drifting off into another lane because they are busy chatting with their BFF, other drivers are likely going to be involved in the potential accident.  If you were just going to hit a tree and kill yourself, that is one thing.  Taking someone along with you is something else entirely.

You may think you are behaving reasonably, but why should other drivers assume the risk you are wrong?  When my state originally passed a law prohibiting texting and using a phone (other than through a headset) one could only be ticketed for violating it only as a secondary offense.  Thankfully, the law was amended to allow a violation even if the driver is not violating any other laws.  I am happy to be protected from people who think like you do.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
I do not use my phone in any way, shape or form while driving. It is absolutely distracting. And anyone who doesn't think so, probably thinks drunk driving is also safe.


I am living proof that not everyone who thinks that using a phone while driving is necessarily absolutely distracting, does not think drunk driving is safe. Glad you can keep an open mind about things.

Was this also the same argument used against putting radios in cars?

quote:


If one absolutely needs to be in touch with someone at that moment, one can pull over to the side of the road and talk/text/whatever, before resuming one's driving. But again, these are all things that are in the driver's control, not the sender's.


That is a very safe alternative. Doesn't mean it should be forced onto us, though.


_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 47
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 1:07:21 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: MileHighM
YOU ARE DRIVING A 3500LB MASS OF STEEL AT 65MPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if you are GOD. Keep you attention on the fucking road. PERIOD. Its not just the potential for an accident, its also the possibility you kill someone, like a motorcyclist. Losts of people have driven drunk, and not got in an accident, and actually might not be bad drivers. NO FUCKING EXCUSE! you just DON'T do it!!!!
Sure I could share a needle with an AIDs patient and not get AIDs----Doesn't mean its a good idea!


Who said my attention wasn't on the road? You see, some people can actually talk on the phone while paying attention to the road. Neat, huh? You are painting every driver with a broad brush defined by a few people who can not pay attention to the road while doing other things. I suppose we should also ban having kids in the car, too. Chatty, screaming, and/or crying kids can distract, can't they? How many people are killed in vehicular accidents? Why not ban vehicles altogether, or lower the speed limit to 20 mph?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
If it was only you who might be affected, I would agree with you. Hell, if people are stupid enough to talk or text while driving, get them out of the gene pool, I say. Starting with you. Unfortunately, it is not that simple, which is why I agree with laws prohibiting the use of phones while driving. The problem is, when someone is drifting off into another lane because they are busy chatting with their BFF, other drivers are likely going to be involved in the potential accident. If you were just going to hit a tree and kill yourself, that is one thing. Taking someone along with you is something else entirely.
You may think you are behaving reasonably, but why should other drivers assume the risk you are wrong? When my state originally passed a law prohibiting texting and using a phone (other than through a headset) one could only be ticketed for violating it only as a secondary offense. Thankfully, the law was amended to allow a violation even if the driver is not violating any other laws. I am happy to be protected from people who think like you do.


You take the risk that someone isn't driving responsibly every single time you go out on the roads. Do we still have radios in cars? Do people still get in accidents because they weren't paying attention to the road, but to the radio? And, if I cause an accident involving other people, isn't it going to cost me exponentially more than if I just reduce my gene pool? I will pay a hefty fine and incur consequences that will significantly impair the rest of my life, if I live. I choose to enjoy my life to a certain degree, and there are plenty of drivers out there that are far less responsible on the road than I am without even their talking on the phone.

And, to let you know, when I'm on the Interstate, I tuck myself into the "slow" lane and keep with traffic while I'm on the phone. I feel safer between semi's that way.

_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to MileHighM)
Profile   Post #: 48
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 1:35:19 PM   
MileHighM


Posts: 400
Joined: 10/8/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MileHighM
YOU ARE DRIVING A 3500LB MASS OF STEEL AT 65MPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if you are GOD. Keep you attention on the fucking road. PERIOD. Its not just the potential for an accident, its also the possibility you kill someone, like a motorcyclist. Losts of people have driven drunk, and not got in an accident, and actually might not be bad drivers. NO FUCKING EXCUSE! you just DON'T do it!!!!
Sure I could share a needle with an AIDs patient and not get AIDs----Doesn't mean its a good idea!


Who said my attention wasn't on the road? You see, some people can actually talk on the phone while paying attention to the road. Neat, huh? You are painting every driver with a broad brush defined by a few people who can not pay attention to the road while doing other things. I suppose we should also ban having kids in the car, too. Chatty, screaming, and/or crying kids can distract, can't they? How many people are killed in vehicular accidents? Why not ban vehicles altogether, or lower the speed limit to 20 mph?




End of the day, here is the point. Something I guarantee you cannot refute. Even if your attention is on the road, you have to dedicate some fraction of your attention to that phone call, because if you didn't you wouldn't be holding a conversation, you would be fucking mute and just having the phone on. Let's say .01% of your attention is on that phone call and 99.99% is on the road. Sure that's pretty damn good, but that 0.01% of attention loss is still enough to cause an accident. It just isn't necessary for you to be on the phone and drive. You just cannot claim that you are 100% not distracted while talking on the phone.

The kids-
A) ignore their ass just like you should ignore a ringing phone
B) while talking on the phone is not necessary, it is necessary that you drive your children around
C) By law they now are strapped into a kiddy seats, so even easier to ignore (If only they permitted a silence hood to be placed over their head when in cars and airplanes)

Cars and speed limits-
We can argue that the benefit of having cars and reasonable speed limits is a necessity for commerce and society to function at the level that it does today. Hence, the benefit outweighs the risk. You talking on your damn phone about the football game, or asking the wife about dinner is not necessary to do in the car....... There is no need for you to talk on the phone in the car. There is only one exception to that rule, you dialing 911 to report a bad driver or a crime, or accident, which is a rare and infrequent need. Ultimately, the vast majority of calls that people take in cars are frivolous or can wait. So why take the risk for seemingly little to no benefit.

I would agree 100% with you if and only if the only person to ever get hurt or killed was the jackass on the phone. I don't care if you bungee jump, you aren't going to kill a van full children, just yourself.

< Message edited by MileHighM -- 5/24/2012 1:37:18 PM >

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 49
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 3:45:44 PM   
kalikshama


Posts: 14805
Joined: 8/8/2010
Status: offline
I don't feel anymore distracted while driving when I talk on the phone using a headset than if talking to a passenger but for some reason, having to hold the phone to my ear does result in distraction.

(in reply to MileHighM)
Profile   Post #: 50
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 3:51:58 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

How is the texter supposed to know the recipient is in control of a vehicle?

In this case "the texter should have known."

While technically correct, I can't imagine a judge taking this very far.

(in reply to subrob1967)
Profile   Post #: 51
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 3:53:37 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I remember seeing a study that was done, talking on the phone while driving was equal to being mildly intoxicated.

I saw the same study.

For the less scientifically minded, mythbusters covered this too. Same result.



< Message edited by Musicmystery -- 5/24/2012 3:54:05 PM >

(in reply to LaTigresse)
Profile   Post #: 52
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 4:10:04 PM   
Iamsemisweet


Posts: 3651
Joined: 4/9/2011
From: The Great Northwest, USA
Status: offline
Whatever.  Since you don't live in my state, your irresponsiblity and lack of concern for others' safety does not affect me.  If the state where you drive does not prohibit cell phone use while driving, then so be it.  But your attempt to defend the indefensible, and argue that you have some sort of "right" to endanger others is pretty laughable.
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MileHighM
YOU ARE DRIVING A 3500LB MASS OF STEEL AT 65MPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if you are GOD. Keep you attention on the fucking road. PERIOD. Its not just the potential for an accident, its also the possibility you kill someone, like a motorcyclist. Losts of people have driven drunk, and not got in an accident, and actually might not be bad drivers. NO FUCKING EXCUSE! you just DON'T do it!!!!
Sure I could share a needle with an AIDs patient and not get AIDs----Doesn't mean its a good idea!


Who said my attention wasn't on the road? You see, some people can actually talk on the phone while paying attention to the road. Neat, huh? You are painting every driver with a broad brush defined by a few people who can not pay attention to the road while doing other things. I suppose we should also ban having kids in the car, too. Chatty, screaming, and/or crying kids can distract, can't they? How many people are killed in vehicular accidents? Why not ban vehicles altogether, or lower the speed limit to 20 mph?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet
If it was only you who might be affected, I would agree with you. Hell, if people are stupid enough to talk or text while driving, get them out of the gene pool, I say. Starting with you. Unfortunately, it is not that simple, which is why I agree with laws prohibiting the use of phones while driving. The problem is, when someone is drifting off into another lane because they are busy chatting with their BFF, other drivers are likely going to be involved in the potential accident. If you were just going to hit a tree and kill yourself, that is one thing. Taking someone along with you is something else entirely.
You may think you are behaving reasonably, but why should other drivers assume the risk you are wrong? When my state originally passed a law prohibiting texting and using a phone (other than through a headset) one could only be ticketed for violating it only as a secondary offense. Thankfully, the law was amended to allow a violation even if the driver is not violating any other laws. I am happy to be protected from people who think like you do.


You take the risk that someone isn't driving responsibly every single time you go out on the roads. Do we still have radios in cars? Do people still get in accidents because they weren't paying attention to the road, but to the radio? And, if I cause an accident involving other people, isn't it going to cost me exponentially more than if I just reduce my gene pool? I will pay a hefty fine and incur consequences that will significantly impair the rest of my life, if I live. I choose to enjoy my life to a certain degree, and there are plenty of drivers out there that are far less responsible on the road than I am without even their talking on the phone.

And, to let you know, when I'm on the Interstate, I tuck myself into the "slow" lane and keep with traffic while I'm on the phone. I feel safer between semi's that way.


_____________________________

Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.
The Cat: Oh, you can't help that. We're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.
Alice: How do you know I'm mad?
The Cat: You must be. Or you wouldn't have come here.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 53
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 4:25:47 PM   
MileHighM


Posts: 400
Joined: 10/8/2009
Status: offline

(in reply to Iamsemisweet)
Profile   Post #: 54
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 4:55:38 PM   
fucktoyprincess


Posts: 2337
Status: offline
FR

I just want to say this about cellphone use. I live in one of the more densely populated areas of the country, and I drive regularly. In my opinion, given the traffic that exists where I live, cellphone use absolutely compromises safety.

For those of you who live in less densely populated areas, where you do not need to keep as much of your attention on the traffic, perhaps being on the phone while driving is easily done. I've driven in parts of the country where, depending on what time of day I was driving, I didn't see another driver for long stretches of time. But then that is a situation where, assuming good driving conditions, one wouldn't expect an accident to occur.

Regardless, anyone who is on a phone call while driving and gets into an accident, ought to, in my mind, be automatically responsible for any damage done, not just to themselves, but to anyone else. And it's very easy to prove if someone was on the phone. Phone records keep track of date and time of all calls. So those of you talking on your phone - just be careful. While it's not illegal, for example, in New York to make a handsfree phone call (i.e., with an earphone/ headset/ speaker), if you are in an accident and cause someone else injury, you can fully expect to be sued for having been distracted by your phone call. And it will be very easy for the person to prove you were on the phone.



_____________________________

~ ftp

(in reply to MileHighM)
Profile   Post #: 55
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 6:49:39 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
In the "less densely populated" area where I live, one would be better advised to watch out for deer.

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)
Profile   Post #: 56
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/24/2012 11:34:00 PM   
joether


Posts: 5195
Joined: 7/24/2005
Status: offline
Try driving in Boston, MA and THEN state you were never scared of death due to some masshole on a cellphone (admins, masshole is an endearing term, not an insult or bigotry concept). Masshole drivers are KNOWN to take that space between you and the guy in front of you, traveling at 70 mph with only a few inches between both bumpers! Now imagine watching that, while the person is on a cellphone and even less aware that you or the person directly in front of you even exists....

I've seen plenty of moments in which cellphone drivers are simply not even aware they are on planet Earth let alone driving down the highway or main roads. That since the phone is to one ear, they can only turn with one hand. When the little light on the traffic signal turns green, it takes these drivers fricking forever to get a clue. Case in Point: Was once between some soccer mom in a dark tan minivan that was on a cellphone, while making a right turn from one side street to another side street. Take a guess how long it took her to make that turn?

One minute and thirty four seconds! That's right boys and girls, NO ONE was on the road she was turning onto before either of us got there, to the moment she started to turn. When people are on cellphones their average IQ drops by 100 points. For the record, I didnt honk my horn (I didn't want to upset the signals from her eyes to her brain and back that the light was now green). For most instances, vegatables are better drivers than these people! Its the exception, not the rule, that people on cellphones are more aware of the road, and everything around it.




(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 57
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 3:40:46 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
PLAISTOW, NH (CBS) – Police say a man charged in a hit and run crash was downloading an app on his smartphone at the time of the crash.

According to authorities, John Sheehan, 30, was driving his white van down a residential street in Plaistow when he struck a pedestrian. Witnesses say he never even slowed down.

Police later found that white van in Sheehan’s driveway. It had dents and a missing mirror that were consistent with the crash.

When they knocked on Sheehan’s door, police say he answered with “what did I hit?.” They say Sheehan told them he was downloading an app on his phone and didn’t see what he hit.

The victim’s father says that’s just not possible. Jim Stearns told WBZ-TV that his son Jon is 6’3” and weighs close to 300 pounds. Jon Stearns is recovering at a Boston hospital and has undergone surgeries to repair a broken pelvis and internal bleeding.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149584/Hit--Run-driver-downloading-app-smartphone-ploughed-foot-300-POUND-man.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to joether)
Profile   Post #: 58
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 4:33:46 AM   
tj444


Posts: 7574
Joined: 3/7/2010
Status: offline
FR-

Imo,.. the worst case of supposedly texting while driving was when a celebrity plastic surgeon (the one that did Hiedi Montag) flew over a cliff in Malibu in 2010.. I was really shocked when I heard about him dying like that .. those friggin roads in SoCal can be very curvy, steep, narrow and dangerous so texting or being distracted in even the slightest way while driving is just like driving with a blindfold on.. imo.. The did say texting contributed to his crash and death..

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/18/heidi-montags-doctor-texting-fatal-crash-report-claims/

< Message edited by tj444 -- 5/25/2012 4:34:10 AM >


_____________________________

As Anderson Cooper said “If he (Trump) took a dump on his desk, you would defend it”

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 59
RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 4:36:15 AM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
I wouldnt mind if they cleared out their own gene pool, but taking someone else out of theirs is why it should be illegal.


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to tj444)
Profile   Post #: 60
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Sued for Texting a Driver Page: <<   < prev  1 2 [3] 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109