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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 6:59:41 AM

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Would I talk on the phone while driving in heavy traffic? Not likely. The only time I might, is if it's an emergency. If any of you have been to NW Ohio, you'll know that our roads are not curvy. The terrain isn't up and down. It's relatively flat, straight, and full of farms. You're just not likely to have some reaper come out of a field without it being noticed earlier. It just doesn't happen.

Complaining about people driving while talking on cell phones and then complaining that people aren't driving while on their cell phones (the case of someone taking 94 seconds to initiate a turn at a green light), is a bit confusing.

We are increasingly de-emphasizing personal responsibility. Creating laws and forcing people to comply isn't supportive of personal responsibility. Allowing people the opportunity to do the right thing and suffer the consequences when they don't is how you empower personal responsibility.

It is, however, how you create sheep.

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 7:01:20 AM

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It's clear to me that one's attitude about this is largely shaped by the driving (and pedestrian) experiences that one has had. 10 years ago, I was using my phone when I drove. As more and more people have and use phones when they are driving, I have noticed a lot of unaware drivers. I have made a conscious decision to not use my phone in my car. It is the only way that I can drive defensively. Otherwise I'm leaving my life in the hands of others, others who are complete strangers, and quite frankly I'm not that trustful of other people when it comes to my own safety (it takes a lot for me to build trust in a Dominant, but I'm going to trust random people on the street with my life??).

And everyone important to me is aware that I don't use my phone when I am in my car. So they know if I don't pick up, or respond to a text, that I might be driving. And as everyone who matters to me is able to cope with this, I don't see who else needs to be able to reach me. I'm certainly not picking up for that call that keeps coming from some telemarketer in Washington state. Remind me to get myself off of whatever call list that is.

The following for your viewing pleasure. The first one is not actually downtown - at least at the start - It is Columbus Circle and UWS. I didn't watch the whole thing, but this is typical traffic in the city. Try doing anything other than driving when you are contending with construction, taxi drivers (who are notoriously aggressive and dangerous), and pedestrians (who often don't pay attention). Second one is traffic cop - fun. And third is a traffic jam - not fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPOUCKJJSSs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Z7jS3Yb5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEd88k8hNn4

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 7:18:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Would I talk on the phone while driving in heavy traffic? Not likely. The only time I might, is if it's an emergency. If any of you have been to NW Ohio, you'll know that our roads are not curvy. The terrain isn't up and down. It's relatively flat, straight, and full of farms. You're just not likely to have some reaper come out of a field without it being noticed earlier. It just doesn't happen.

Complaining about people driving while talking on cell phones and then complaining that people aren't driving while on their cell phones (the case of someone taking 94 seconds to initiate a turn at a green light), is a bit confusing.

We are increasingly de-emphasizing personal responsibility. Creating laws and forcing people to comply isn't supportive of personal responsibility. Allowing people the opportunity to do the right thing and suffer the consequences when they don't is how you empower personal responsibility.

It is, however, how you create sheep.

If people TAKE responsibility for themselves, but they dont and wont.
If someone hit and ran you down, their personal freedom and liberty is the last thing you would be saying or praising.
You would insist it wasnt YOUR responsibility when someone rams into you because they are texting or downloading while you are sitting at a stop light, and cry holy hell that they should be arrested due to a law supposedly protecting YOU.
What utter bull, because when it kills, maims and injures, let alone the financial costs, yes it should be against the law.
Drive on your own land, but when you join publicly funded roads, you don't have the "right of freedom" to do what you want.

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 9:16:59 AM

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Well said Lucy

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 10:37:21 AM

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If people TAKE responsibility for themselves, but they dont and wont.

And, why won't they? Isn't it about time we get back to forcing people to be responsible?

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If someone hit and ran you down, their personal freedom and liberty is the last thing you would be saying or praising.
You would insist it wasnt YOUR responsibility when someone rams into you because they are texting or downloading while you are sitting at a stop light, and cry holy hell that they should be arrested due to a law supposedly protecting YOU.

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See, now. Here is where you are wrong. I wouldn't be crying holy hell that they should be arrested for texting or downloading. I would be crying holy hell that they be arrested for ramming into me. Toughen up the distracted driving law and make its teeth sharper. Or, add a distracted driver rider to the failure to control laws. That way, if someone fails to control because they were distracted, it's a more serious offense.

If you can't maintain your safety because you're too distracted by talking on the phone, then, by all means, don't talk on the damn phone while you're driving. But, for you to tell me I can't talk on the phone while I'm driving because you get too distracted, that's utter nonsense.

I sure hope all of you out there use your turn signals. If you don't, that could be construed as reckless op.

So, are you all agreed that if someone acts irresponsibly, he or she should suffer the consequences? And, that if two people willfully engage in irresponsible behavior, that both of them should suffer the consequences? And that those of us not involved in the irresponsible activity(ies) shouldn't have to bear the cost of those consequences? Are we in agreement?

What utter bull, because when it kills, maims and injures, let alone the financial costs, yes it should be against the law.
Drive on your own land, but when you join publicly funded roads, you don't have the "right of freedom" to do what you want.

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 10:42:34 AM

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force??
that denies freedom,
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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 10:47:04 AM

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One of the purposes of the courts is to force people to take responsibility for their actions, same with various laws.... like murder and rape laws, same can be said about driving laws when cell phones are involved, you know it is careless to use them, hence you shouldn't. If you have no mechanism to force people to take responsibility for their own actions, you fail to be free and live in a world of chaos. There would be no incentive for me or anyone else not to fuck with you, stirpping you of and privacy and freedom.

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RE: Sued for Texting a Driver - 5/25/2012 7:57:25 PM

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One of the purposes of the courts is to force people to take responsibility for their actions, same with various laws.... like murder and rape laws, same can be said about driving laws when cell phones are involved, you know it is careless to use them, hence you shouldn't. If you have no mechanism to force people to take responsibility for their own actions, you fail to be free and live in a world of chaos. There would be no incentive for me or anyone else not to fuck with you, stirpping you of and privacy and freedom.

Preventing someone from talking on their phone while driving isn't forcing people to be responsible for their actions. Prosecuting people for causing accidents is making them responsible for their actions. Kicking the penalties up a notch when the accident was caused by the driver being distracted is another way of making them responsible for their actions.

I do not know it is careless to talk on the phone while driving. I have no problem with it under normal conditions. When conditions call for increased attention, I increase my attention, which can, and has, required me to turn off the radio, too. Prosecuting someone for being a dope, but not actually infringing on another's rights isn't exactly what government is about. When the results of the action would be catastrophic, I can see the government stepping in prior to the action taking place. But, if it's not going to be catastrophic, it's closer to tyranny than good governance.

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