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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Here's something I did "like" about the guys that were caught. They were white. So, at least 5 white guys were caught attacking a supposed white pride group. That speaks to their stance against racism.
Are you really saying white guys can't be against white supremacy?

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But, here's what they were charged with:

Five of the attackers were caught and have now been charged with aggravated battery, mob action and criminal damage to property, all felonies.

Well, yes.

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Now, I could be wrong, but racism was at the heart of these attacks, right?
I think you are wrong. Coming out against racism isn't itself racist. What reason do you have to attribute these attacks to the victims' race, rather than their political views? Nevermind, I'll answer that myself. None, apparently, because many of the people charged with this assault against white supremists were themselves white, as you said yourself.

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There was no mention of hate crime accusations, though it is clearly a case of an attack because of racism.
Because an attack "because of racism" (as heinous as it may be) is neverthetheless NOT a "hate crime", at least by the Justice Department's definition of the term "hate crime":
"Hate crime is the violence of intolerance and bigotry, intended to hurt and intimidate someone because of their race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, or disability. (You will notice that "political views" is NOT on the list."
http://www.justice.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm

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Lastly, where are the "Reverends" Sharpton and Jackson?
Probably too smart to endose assault, no matter who it was against.

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Your point, assuming you are capable of one, welcome any time.
So let's have what you are really wanting to say here.
Bring it on.

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Actually, they aren't smart enough to know better. I do know why they weren't here. That was completely tongue-in-cheek. It's the same reason they don't show up when a white person is attacked due to his/her being white. It is only when blacks are attacked by whites, or can be construed to be whites (you know, like the "white Hispanics/Latino's").
So you show up to fill in those blanks.   Al Whitey or Reverend Cracker, what's your pleasure? Or, should we just call you the other white meat?

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And you show up at this one why?   I am sitting here reading what you are writing.

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I am little confused here, does being a group that promotes "White pride" equal to "White Surpremist".  There are groups that promote ethnic pride.  Like the Sons of Norway we show pride in our historical culture.  We are not saying we are superior, we are just educating people on how
Scandinavians lived.  I also attend Scottish Gathering, one is up this weekend.  The Scottish Gathering has the same mission as the Sons of Normay, educate people on all things Scotish. 

I have experienced negativity from people, especially in activities with the Sons of Norway when after an event we have gone to resturant to eat.  We are in costume, weapons are left in the car.  In the resturant we have had people come to us and state their dislike for what they think we are doing, sometimes that were are promoting white supremacy, which we are not.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
I am trying to understand what white pride means in the context of America? People descended from the Puritans have a completely different cultural and historical perspective as compared to Italian-Americans or Irish-Americans who came through Ellis Island, as compared to German Jews who fled Nazi Germany, etc. etc. etc. What exactly is the cultural and historical experience that they share, that is so important that they need to have a group? I don't think it is helpful to view white Americans as one big monolith.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro
I am little confused here, does being a group that promotes "White pride" equal to "White Surpremist".  There are groups that promote ethnic pride.  Like the Sons of Norway we show pride in our historical culture.  We are not saying we are superior, we are just educating people on how
Scandinavians lived.  I also attend Scottish Gathering, one is up this weekend.  The Scottish Gathering has the same mission as the Sons of Normay, educate people on all things Scotish. 
I have experienced negativity from people, especially in activities with the Sons of Norway when after an event we have gone to resturant to eat.  We are in costume, weapons are left in the car.  In the resturant we have had people come to us and state their dislike for what they think we are doing, sometimes that were are promoting white supremacy, which we are not.

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And Sharpton and Jackson did likewise, and didn't post it. It may alarm you to note that they are black men who specialize (rightly or wrongly) in the (percieved or actual) injustices done to black folk even if it is black on black. Much as you are railing about the white on white injustice here, (rightly or wrongly; percieved or actual).

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Let's start out by my saying that I have no idea if this group is about white "pride" or "supremacy." It is linked to another group, called StormFront, which I am proud to say I hadn't heard of until reading this article.

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I am trying to understand what white pride means in the context of America? People descended from the Puritans have a completely different cultural and historical perspective as compared to Italian-Americans or Irish-Americans who came through Ellis Island, as compared to German Jews who fled Nazi Germany, etc. etc. etc. What exactly is the cultural and historical experience that they share, that is so important that they need to have a group? I don't think it is helpful to view white Americans as one big monolith.

Not wishing to snark, but I don't think the white surpremacists are having anything to do with jews (whether Germanic or east European in origin) any more than they want their sister marrying a negro.

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I am little confused here, does being a group that promotes "White pride" equal to "White Surpremist".  There are groups that promote ethnic pride.  Like the Sons of Norway we show pride in our historical culture.  We are not saying we are superior, we are just educating people on how
Scandinavians lived.  I also attend Scottish Gathering, one is up this weekend.  The Scottish Gathering has the same mission as the Sons of Normay, educate people on all things Scotish. 

I have experienced negativity from people, especially in activities with the Sons of Norway when after an event we have gone to resturant to eat.  We are in costume, weapons are left in the car.  In the resturant we have had people come to us and state their dislike for what they think we are doing, sometimes that were are promoting white supremacy, which we are not.

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Actually, they aren't smart enough to know better. I do know why they weren't here. That was completely tongue-in-cheek. It's the same reason they don't show up when a white person is attacked due to his/her being white. It is only when blacks are attacked by whites, or can be construed to be whites (you know, like the "white Hispanics/Latino's").
So you show up to fill in those blanks.   Al Whitey or Reverend Cracker, what's your pleasure? Or, should we just call you the other white meat?

Nice. Real nice. Would much rather you read what I write and not read what you want to read. The "Rev.'s" Sharpton and Jackson are jokes. They should show up at every racial injustice, regardless of race, if they are truly against racism (in general).

And, if you had read my writings, I am not condemning the attackers for their beliefs. I'm condemning them over their actions. I agree with their beliefs, but disagree with their actions. The Neo Nazi's held a rally in Toledo, Ohio in '05. All Hell broke loose and there was a 4 hour riot. The cops were belittled for protecting the Nazi's, and then sued by the Nazi's for ending the rally early. I don't know who initiated the violence, but the Nazi's have every right anyone else has to do what they want, as long as it's not infringing on the rights of others. Even if they have some ignorant, pig-headed belief that they are superior simply because of their skin color.